Posted on 08/16/2008 6:14:49 AM PDT by RogerFGay
Fathers' rights activists have complained about arbitrarily high child support orders for almost two decades. Class action suits were filed, the fathers' rights movement grew, debates broke out in academic journals, a few social scientists demonstrated with calculations and documentation, some men have committed suicide because they were unable to support themselves, and a few serious investigative journalists analyzed in depth.Congress finally decided to act – with a flat luxury tax on child support income.
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Anyone who doesn’t want to support them.So what are you going to do - go back in a time machine if someone gets behind in payments to stop them from having children in the first place?
Gosh, I screwed up. In my case I took the kids and he took the BMW.
this is bull...the cases I see are where the dad making loads more than mom who has sacrificed career development to focus on the kids, now has to contend with dad withholding money, refusing to pay bills, paying car insurance late, dad flying out to California and living the Viagra life while mom is trying to learn how to do email.......
That is freakin’ stupid!!!!!
I have two sisters. One divorced to go with an old boyfriend. One had the husband leave her (imo, warranted). Both were horrendous ex-wives, causing horrible grief for both these guys. (honestly, one I like and one I don’t)
The only consolation in the whole thing is that out of 5 children, only 1 speaks to her mom on a regular basis, while every one of them has a relationship with their dad. (Two boys don’t speak to their mothers at all)
And, to me the biggest blessing is that I have taken over the “grandma” role. I have one nephew driving from Cleveland to Detroit today to see us. The youngest boy (who turns 30 this year btw) named his daughter after me.
It looks horrible now, but understand kids are not stupid and see the whole thing for what it is when they grow up.
>>And who would that be?<<
Libs.
It makes no sense at all to claim child support is a luxury, and tax it that way. Most of the men in dire straits over child support got behind and then had a hard time because they owed so much money. Maybe other states are different- but my daughter was awarded $300 a month child support for one child and that doesn’t seem out of line to me. Her husband has paid very little so he owes her thousands of dollars- at some point if he gets in a spot where he is forced to actually pay he will likely get sympathy that he doesn’t have coming.
The only gripe I have about child support- is that some states use the new wife’s income with the income of the dad to determine the figure. I think that is totally out of line- the new wife’s income should have nothing to do with it.
My ex-boss (a Psychiatrist) had his wife decide that he was around too much. She started divorce procedings and it took him eight years to get through it.
She ended up with
The kids
The house
The BMW
All the money they had stashed away
And 4000.00 a month in child support
He ended up with
His practice and office equipment
I know, I did his books. He couldn’t afford to pay me. In the eight years, he met one of the nurses where we worked. They dated and moved in together. She paid my salary and the office phone.
In the end he left for CA and got a job in the private sector. And she had a tree fall on her. I kid you not.
My daughter looked into the collection system used in our state- she said it was a scam- “if” they collect they take a percentage- that part is fair- but they keep taking the percentage forever, reducing the amount the mother gets. I can see that something is better than nothing- but it still doesn’t seem reasonable for the collection to keep getting money from future payments.
Oh, I forgot.
She also got an Audi and he got a motorcycle. Great in Cleveland winters.
This man slept in our office before the nurse took him in.
That dirty 15% of the population - hard-core, loyal, registered members of both parties; that are robbing the rest of us blind.
My daughter looked into the collection system used in our state- she said it was a scam- “if” they collect they take a percentage- that part is fair- but they keep taking the percentage forever, reducing the amount the mother gets.I'm guessing you mean the private system. Some states allow voluntary sign-up in that system, and others - some who've been hammered for it - have actually forced everyone to go there.
This whole issue is transparent.
The government learned from the lawyer industry: Pit husbands and wives, mothers and fathers against one another. Then take a cut of the fight proceeds.
I mean come on, how does a tax on child support help the mom? Or the dad? Or the child?
Who DOES benefit? Cui bono?
Who DOES benefit?I hope the article makes it perfectly clear. It benefits an entirely unnecessary government bureacracy - that's all.
“this is bull...the cases I see are where the dad making loads more than mom who has sacrificed career development to focus on the kids, now has to contend with dad withholding money, refusing to pay bills, paying car insurance late, dad flying out to California and living the Viagra life while mom is trying to learn how to do email.......:”
That does happen alot - but there are also good dad who simply cannot keep up with the payments.
I know a man who was losing his mind, but decided he would try one last approach (you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar)
He had his wife cook up a wonderful dinner. He invited his ex over for a meeting.
He told the ex he understood her concern about income and her desire to get her fair share, but if she proceeded in her plans to take him back to court for more money then all the money would go to the lawyers, his boat would sink (bankruptcy), and she wouldn’t benefit from that.
He offered her an increase as long as she agreed that all the lawyers would go away.
She took the bait, and that resolved everything.
Actually - the problem with male intruders of various sorts - and damage to children - is a well-documented problem of divorce / single-motherhood. The child support bureacracy does nothing to combat the problem.
Read the article, this is not a tax on all child support, this is only a $25 fee on those receiving over $500 per year through the FEDERAL child support enforcement system. For those who are paying and receiving outside that system, including those working within state systems of collection, this doesn't apply. And the term "luxury" is not used in the law, its just some incendiary language designed to get people to buy a magazine or look at a website.
For those who utilize the Federal Government to rectify their bad choices of people to procreate with, it makes sense to charge something for it. If I make a bad choice as to who to do business with, and I want the might of a governmental collection system to make me whole again, I still have to pony up court costs to file suit. And they're way more than $25, and there's no guarantee that I'm gonna collect, even if I'm found to be in the right.
Gimme a break.
So paying the mortgage, lights and water aren't an issue for you?
Or food?
You want the money for toy allowances for the kids? Are you nuts?
Stupid remark of the day, newbie. Right up there with “if you aren’t doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.”
Brain dead, holier than thou “conservatives”. Buzz off.
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