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What A Vice President Looks Like
Bob Parks: Black & Right ^ | 8/16/08 | Bob Parks

Posted on 08/16/2008 8:27:59 AM PDT by bocopar

While the Obama and McCain campaigns were issuing speeches and statements during the Russian invasion of Georgia, who got the cease-fire job done?

Anyone, anyone?

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Saturday signed the plan for a cease-fire in Georgia that his Georgian counterpart reluctantly agreed to a day earlier, setting the stage for a Russian troop withdrawal after more than a week of warfare.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili signed the deal Friday in Tbilisi after lengthy talks with Washington's top diplomat, Condoleezza Rice.

You know a Condoleezza Rice-VP slot is not in the Democrats' best interest when the AP story relegates the cease-fire broker credit to paragraph six.

(Excerpt) Read more at black-and-right.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008veep; condoleezzarice; mccain

1 posted on 08/16/2008 8:27:59 AM PDT by bocopar
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To: bocopar

Nope. No. Never and Not. I won’t vote for a social liberal, pro-Palestinian Foggy Bottom screw-up who is ambiguous at best about Obama. Rice has also stressed she won’t run for any office after her time as SecState is up.


2 posted on 08/16/2008 8:33:12 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: SolidWood
Okay, so let the social liberal, pro-Palestinian Foggy Bottom screw-ups who will vote for ambiguous change vote for "change" and not give them an option for voting for the other strong woman in the mix.
3 posted on 08/16/2008 8:35:27 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: bocopar

Unfortunately she has refused to date. But worse than that in the last interview with her that I watched she refused to take any stance against obama. Seemed to almost repeat Powell’s words.


4 posted on 08/16/2008 8:36:31 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: bocopar

no


5 posted on 08/16/2008 8:37:48 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: bocopar
I protest the false advertising.

I came to this thread expecting photos of Sarah Palin........

6 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:29 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: bocopar

Rice??????Never....and I thought she was supposed to be an expert in Russian affairs!!!


7 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:19 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: bocopar
Maybe I'm a bit stuck, but if I got you right you would like to see Rice as Veep because she MIGHT lure away voters of the Clinton clientele... Uhm, we need a Conservative Republican for Veep of the (surprise) GOP, don't we? Why not just pick the most extreme liberal for GOP Veep!? Might draw dem voters even better! But then what about the next 4 years?

With Governor Palin however we would get an conservative, female executive who would be attractive for conservatives and some female Clinton backers.

8 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:30 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: TexasNative2000

Well, whom would you prefer? Mitt Romney?


9 posted on 08/16/2008 8:41:33 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: SolidWood

Good point, however two months is not enough time to introduce someone to the American people.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 8:43:15 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: TexasNative2000

And let’s not forget Howard Dean’s most recent BS.

If you don’t think the Democrats have all 52 race cards in the deck ready, we’re in trouble.

This presidential campaign is ALREADY about race. We dismiss this at our own peril.


11 posted on 08/16/2008 8:46:27 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: bocopar
Palin is moderately well known. She will be known well enough when picked for Veep. If we confine the choices to those "known" politicos, then all we have are the worst of the worst.

Rice might be better known, but most of her politics are weak and barely conservative. Her only (partial) strength is Foreign Policy, which McCain has already cornered. He needs a social and economically conservative Veep, preferably from the executive branch. Palin would be fine. Cantor (although no executive) is also fine. Pawlenty and Romney have some drawbacks... but well... uh... hmmm... I could live with them. There are of course some other acceptable choices... Jindal for example. The litmus test is border security and pro-life stance.

12 posted on 08/16/2008 8:48:46 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: bocopar

And guess who’s on Fox News Sunday tomorrow?

Hint: NOT Governor Palin...


13 posted on 08/16/2008 8:49:07 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: bocopar
And guess who’s on Fox News Sunday tomorrow? Hint: NOT Governor Palin...

Could it be because Rice is our SecState and we have a major international crisis from which she is just returning!? Not everything is about Veep picks.

14 posted on 08/16/2008 8:51:06 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: bocopar
While the Obama and McCain campaigns were issuing speeches and statements during the Russian invasion of Georgia, who got the cease-fire job done?

Anyone, anyone?

Ummm,.... actually, that would be the Russians and the French.

The Russians dictated the terms, the French pretended to be the midwives, the Georgians suffered what they must and Condi Rice, voice quivering, stood around as window dressing.

Georgia agrees to Russian-French plan to settle conflict

August 13, 2008 .... France gets EU support for Georgia cease-fire deal .... France, flush with diplomatic triumph after negotiating a fragile cease-fire in Georgia, on Wednesday united the 26 other nations in the European Union behind a vague proposal to dispatch monitors to the Caucasus to help uphold the truce between Georgian and Russian forces. .... shied away from calling it a "peace-keeping force," in part, diplomats present at the meeting suggested, because such a term may anger the Russians ....

If I were you, I would not bring up the Georgia "ceasefire" as an example of a stunning triumph for Condi Rice.

First of all, Condi Rice had little to do with it and, secondly, it was a resounding Russian victory that has given a legal fig leaf to Russian aggression while the European Union, with a population almost three times larger than Russia, cowers in fear of making the Russians "angry".

It was a Profile in Weakness.

"As the world goes, right is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" ..... Melian Dialogue, Thucydides

15 posted on 08/16/2008 8:54:48 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: SolidWood
Patrick Ruffini this morning has figured out what Obama is doing with his Veep pick. Hint: it won't be Kathleen Sibelius, but it will be a woman.

McCain will need someone who can creditably go up against She Who Must Not Be Named. There's only one person who can do that.

It ain't Sarah Palin.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

16 posted on 08/16/2008 8:56:01 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

Well who do you think would be that person?


17 posted on 08/16/2008 8:57:27 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Polybius

Look, you all know I’m as conservative as any of you out there.

I’m just looking at November and what could be the best way for us to win, considering the silly-putty nature of the general electorate.

If you think “conservative only” will solidify the vote, cool. However, the liberal press and “change” voters I fear won’t be as accommodating.


18 posted on 08/16/2008 9:00:55 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: Polybius

Saakashvilli foolishly walked into a well laid KGB trap. It was Rice’s job to extricate him, and the Georgian state, from that trap. She did so in a praiseworthy manner.

Russia enjoys absolute strategic supremacy in the Near Abroad theater. No one is going to go to war for Georgia. This is reality. Putin baited Saakashvili into responding to South Ossettian provocations, and now the Georgians have paid with the loss of two of their provinces.

There will be long-term political consequences for Russia’s actions, primarily in the Middle East and in Europe, but for now, Russia wins a small victory. This is Russia’s backyard. Rice’s wisdom was to recognize it as such, and compel Saakashvilli to act accordingly.

We have larger fish to fry, in Iran and elsewhere.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


19 posted on 08/16/2008 9:02:17 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: bocopar

Rice will be rejected by the vast majority Blacks as a “token uncle tom”. They will stay Democrat to 90+ %. Forget about them. Those who prioritize foreign policy are already well served by McCain. Rice adds NOTHING to McCain’s strengths. Then she is a social liberal, which is an election killer for McCain. He needs someone who is socially conservative.


20 posted on 08/16/2008 9:05:08 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: bocopar; SolidWood

Condi Rice, of course, and I’ve thought this way since before the campaign began.

Anyone who believes that someone like Mitt Romney or untested newbies like Pawlenty or Sarah Palin can outdo Hillary Clinton as a veep choice among women voters is simply whistling past the graveyard. Talk like that is what the True Believers tell each other at CPAC.

I now believe that Obama wants to nail down the election by putting Clinton on as the Veep Choice. Rice is McCain’s only credible answer that wraps up both experience and change in the same package.

This isn’t fair to the conservative base, but who said life was fair?

Be Seeing You,

Chris


21 posted on 08/16/2008 9:07:58 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: SolidWood
an election killer...I agree
I've been listening to people say Jeb Bush can't be run.
No more Bushes is the cry.
Well, when people look at her, all they see is George Bush.
22 posted on 08/16/2008 9:10:27 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: section9

We’ll see indeed.


23 posted on 08/16/2008 9:10:39 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: SolidWood
Nope. No. Never and Not. I won’t vote for a social liberal, pro-Palestinian Foggy Bottom screw-up who is ambiguous at best about Obama.

Who won't take a prolife position.

24 posted on 08/16/2008 9:12:47 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Who won't take a prolife position.

I put this under "social liberal".

25 posted on 08/16/2008 9:14:57 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: SolidWood
Any Republican ticket will be rejected by 95% of black voters this year.

McCain could pick the Risen Christ as his running mate and it wouldn't matter. That's not the point.

If Obama picks Hillary, and I now believe he will, then you need someone who can core into white females, especially Republican women, who are sympathetic to Hillary, and who resonate with Condi's life experience and center-right politics. You also want someone who will sit well with pro-defense men at the same time. Lastly, you want someone who, like Hillary, can be thought of as "a President" if something happens to McCain.

Sarah Palin is great, but that's not her.

Condi's absolutist position on the 2nd Amendment will also help a John McCain who has had trouble in the past with the Gun Lobby.

She's also much better on life issues than either Clinton or Obama, and has supported the President's position on partial birth, the Hyde Amendment, and parental notification. She simply believes that abortion should be returned to the states.

Calling her a social liberal is a bit of a reach. She's more of a libertarian.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

26 posted on 08/16/2008 9:15:14 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9
"I now believe that Obama wants to nail down the election by putting Clinton on as the Veep Choice". Interesting. That would explain the roll call vote and all the attention the Clinton's will get at the convention (Assuming she doesn't get the nomination).

Me thinks it is just the beginning of her plan if it turns out she gets the veep nod.

27 posted on 08/16/2008 9:26:57 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: section9
I will be surprised if Hillary is not Barack’s running mate. Especially since he has practically handed the convention over to her. He knows he can't win without her and had to give her everything she wanted to get her to join the ticket.
28 posted on 08/16/2008 9:30:43 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( b/c Obama is just creepy.)
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To: bocopar
Look, you all know I’m as conservative as any of you out there. I’m just looking at November and what could be the best way for us to win, considering the silly-putty nature of the general electorate. If you think “conservative only” will solidify the vote, cool. However, the liberal press and “change” voters I fear won’t be as accommodating.

This has absolutely nothing to do with "conservative only". I am an American first and a "Conservative" second and have been going toe to toe with the McCain-hating "purists" on FR for months. My Post 13 on this thread says it all.

My point is that America needs a person with backbone both in the Oval Office and a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

McCain has a backbone. Condi Rice does not.

29 posted on 08/16/2008 9:32:20 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: bocopar
haha, I like the headline, its a recent meme over at Fark. some website had an article about someone viewing porn. there was pic of a couple getting busy in the a car, captioned at the bottom was "What porn might look like."

so in keeping with a new meme how about this

Wut a Vice President might look like.

30 posted on 08/16/2008 9:35:02 AM PDT by Liberty2007 (Here's Dr. Savage's analysis on the POTUS race"The Afro-Leninist vs The Sarcophagus)
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To: SolidWood

And let them show their true colors.

Ever hear of “backlash”?


31 posted on 08/16/2008 9:36:14 AM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: section9
Saakashvilli foolishly walked into a well laid KGB trap. It was Rice’s job to extricate him, and the Georgian state, from that trap.

Her job was not to allow Georgia to fall into the trap in the first place. After the predictable disaster, being the First Responder to show up at the crash scene with the Spatula of Life to scrape you off of the pavement does not score any points.

She did so in a praiseworthy manner.

As I noted before, in terms of the ceasefire, "the Russians dictated the terms, the French pretended to be the midwives, the Georgians suffered what they must and Condi Rice, voice quivering, stood around as window dressing".

Condi Rice's role in the post crash mess was negligible.

32 posted on 08/16/2008 9:39:34 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: onlylewis

Unfortunately she has refused to date. But worse than that in the last interview with her that I watched she refused to take any stance against obama. Seemed to almost repeat Powell’s words.”

Powell is supporting Nobama.


33 posted on 08/16/2008 11:17:21 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: section9

How have your thoughts changed now that it’s Biden, not Hillary?


34 posted on 08/23/2008 1:33:29 AM PDT by jeltz25
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