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Miniboom of hot dog cart vendors a sign of the times
www.tampabay.com/ ^ | August 11, 2008 | By Chris Sherman,

Posted on 08/16/2008 6:04:33 PM PDT by dennisw

ST. PETERSBURG — "American Dream,'' Joel Goetz says when he answers the phone.

His voice is as smooth and sweet as brown mustard, husky with the tang of 20 years in a kosher deli. In the next hour, he fields 13 more calls from people who want a bite of the dream he's peddling: a new hot dog cart.

In hard times, the appeal of low-cost self-employment soars — and a tiny stainless steel restaurant on two wheels gleams.

In Florida, more than 150 umbrellas opened over hot dog carts in the last fiscal year, boosting the number of approved vendors from 561 to 721, the largest total ever.

At All-American Hot Dog Carts in Miami, the country's largest maker, 2008 sales are breaking records. The company is on pace to turn out 1,000 this year after making about 900 in 2007.

"It's been growing every year,'' says Louie Di Raimondo, who told his success story in the book I'm on a Roll.

Even a Wall Street Journal business advice columnist got a query from a 23-year-old dreaming of a chain of carts: ''People laugh when they first hear of it. … Is this a good step for a first-time businessman?"

"Let them laugh,'' the columnist wrote, then turned to Don Cowan, who sells carts of all sizes from Methuen, Mass. His how-to manual, Start Your Business In 10 Easy Steps: Operating Your Hot Dog Cart Tips, sells from his Web site (thehotdogcart.com) for $50, refundable if you buy a cart. His business is up too, he says.

Location is crucial

Hunger for startup carts is so great that Goetz, who owns Jo-El's deli in St. Petersburg, decided to make carts himself. He set up a new business and Web site (americandreamhotdogcarts.com) this year to promote them.

He assures the first caller, George from Connecticut, that the cart he ordered will ship out Friday as promised, but George wanted the dream yesterday.

"They start to see spots,'' Goetz says — not hallucinations, but places where they'll hand out dogs and haul in cash.

Location, always crucial, has changed as the high-foot-traffic street corner has disappeared from posturban America. The prized spots are outside Home Depot and Lowe's. There, the vendor gets all-day hot dog eaters, from contractors to Saturday-project families with tag-along kids, plus employees who want on-site lunches.

"My people are everywhere,'' Goetz says. "Some just do catering, bank openings, car sales, new subdivision homes and birthday parties."

Some innovators set up at night, even around topless bars. "The clubs can't have food if they let people smoke. This way the patrons can get something to eat without leaving the property.''

To sell on public property, vendors rarely pay rent but must get city or county permits. On private property, space for a cart could be a no-cost handshake deal or a complicated lease with commissions and monthly rents of hundreds of dollars. Getting cart space at big box stores is now an industry of its own.

"'There is no million-dollar street corner any more," warns Josh Meyer of Woody's Hot Dogs in Colorado, which is at many Lowe's stores in the West and has 60 franchisees. Street Eats Ltd., a division of Best Vendors in Minnesota, has connected more than 700 vendors to Home Depot and other retail locations.

Wherever the cart, the numbers start small: a couple of bucks a dog, so many dogs an hour, as much time as you want to put in. But it can add up to $40,000 or more a year.

"Like any business, you have to be patient," said Tony Brooks, who has a new American Dream cart. That patience was tried during his first week, with cloudbursts most days.

Brooks moved to Tampa from Virginia, where he was a truck driver and owner of a small trucking firm. As gas prices rose, he had to start anew.

Like many new vendors he picked a nontraditional site to start, in the parking lot of Ernie Haire Ford in Tampa, selling to sales people, mechanics and customers.

Retired respiratory technician Jerry Gename got his cart from Goetz delivered to Scottsbluff in western Nebraska in April.

Gename now wears neon yellow and red instead of scrubs and works in front of two large office buildings during the week and a car wash near Wal-Mart on Saturday. He just finished the annual Oregon Trail Days. "Made $1,200 there.'' He has indoor quarters for winter.

Local manufacturer

Goetz started selling franks wholesale to Tampa Bay's first blush of T-back vendors in the early '90s. This year he linked up with Clearwater welder and fabricator Doug Calibey and started building carts.

Now 10 push carts a week roll out of Calibey's shop, at $2,000 and up. They're all tagged with the buyers' names, customized for their tastes (flat top grill? ice shaver?) and health codes.

This new vehicle of economic recovery is small but not so simple. They have elaborate gas, electric and water pipes, and must also survive highway towing and nightly washing.

Goetz and Calibey added thicker stainless steel, electric water pumps, more display space and roadworthy suspension. They wanted carts to meet coming advances in health codes and to have "street integrity.''

From cart to kitchen

Verdun Manross of St. Petersburg is a former chef who also sold foreclosure homes for banks. Now he has a hot dog cart and plans for a take-out kitchen in a gas station.

"When I was in real estate, everyone argued about the price all the time," he says. "Not with hot dogs. It's just a good relationship.''


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1 posted on 08/16/2008 6:04:33 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Need a new career? Buy a hot dog cart. Business is down at Starbucks and up at the hot dog stands. Some people claim the kosher tube steaks are better for you than a Big Mac


2 posted on 08/16/2008 6:06:46 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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What’s with the smarminess about hot-dog vending? It’s a fine way to make money. Vending can be a great business - it’s versatile and there’s a high profit percentage.


3 posted on 08/16/2008 6:09:33 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (Where's Michele??)
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To: dennisw

“In hard times, the appeal of low-cost self-employment soars...”

Oh yes, its been a whole 3 minutes and 20 seconds since the SocialistMedia last pronounced that we are in “hard times”.

If not this economy, then what could possibly qualify among chicken-little, capitalism-hating, loser journalists as NOT “hard times”?


4 posted on 08/16/2008 6:10:22 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: dennisw

“Some innovators set up at night, even around topless bars. ‘The clubs can’t have food if they let people smoke. This way the patrons can get something to eat without leaving the property.’”

Geeze! Give it away, Man! Now the Food Natzies AND the Smoke Natizies will be ganging up against you to either tax you to death, or ride you out of town...for the children!!

Way to ruin a great enterprise. ;)

P.S. I have YET to see the Smoke Natzies try to shut down porn venues that allow smoking; topless bars, strip clubs, porn shops, etc. Followed to it’s logical conclusion, Smoke Natzies must dig porn, LOL! (No rights for THEE, but rights for ME!) Jerks.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 6:12:02 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: dennisw
Nothing like a street cart half-smoke in a steamed bun, and smothered in Gulden's and reconstituted onions.

6 posted on 08/16/2008 6:13:15 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Barak Obama is as inept as a bear cub with his dink.)
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To: EyeGuy

It wasn’t hard times when clinton was in office.

And all the homeless disappeared the day he took office.

Oddly, they magically reappeared the day dubya took office...


7 posted on 08/16/2008 6:13:49 PM PDT by null and void (Barack zerObama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: dennisw
http://www.allamericanhotdog.com/

No smarminess here, and to each his own, but I'd rather sell hot dog carts than hot dogs!

8 posted on 08/16/2008 6:18:45 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: dennisw

I heard someone on the radio recently refer to sidewalk fare as “street meat”.


9 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:19 PM PDT by printhead
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To: dennisw

“12 inches of Paradise”


10 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:36 PM PDT by Southern Partisan ("Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." ----R. E. Lee)
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

Pinging Ignatius J Reilly


11 posted on 08/16/2008 6:41:58 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (One liberal on the GOP ticket is enough.)
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To: dennisw; M. Espinola
My brother spent 20 years in banking before going into the title insurance industry. One of his closest banking buddies took early retirement in 1994. He moved to a well known city in the deep south because he loves college football. The man paid cash for a huge home. But he got bored. He noticed there were very few hot dog vendors doing business.

He set up one hot dog stand buying most of dogs, buns and stuff for cash. He made a killing. All cash money. Now he owns about twenty hot dog stands and pays others to run them. 'Nuff said here.

12 posted on 08/16/2008 6:43:50 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: dennisw

We have a dude and his wife in St. Pete that sell dogs/soda/chips,
they call their carts “St. Petes Best Dressed Dogs”

You never see them standing around idle. They are either filling orders, or cleaning something.
I stop every time I’m at 4th st and Central. Great dog combo


13 posted on 08/16/2008 7:33:24 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () ......Pelosi + Reid = $ 4.00 per gallon......()
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To: ex-Texan
There is a hot dog stand outside the store where I work, and it does a booming business. The guy who owns the stand works it eight hours a day, five days a week. The other two days, his sister runs it and gets to keep the profit for those two days. One Saturday, I sat down on a bench out front and counted how many customers he had in a one-hour period. He had thirty-six customers, most of whom bought two dogs and a can of Coke for a total of $4.50. I seriously doubt he had $1.00 in cost for the dogs and Coke, so he made at least $3.50 average off each of those customers, which equals out to $126.00 profit in one hour.
14 posted on 08/16/2008 7:51:18 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: dennisw

People are eating less red meat. But for a busy shopper, a hot dog could serve as an occasional treat.


15 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:54 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: dennisw
I got my arm twisted to doing box lunches for my old company 3 times a week. My chef days are long over... I can't stand on my feet 14 hours a day anymore, but I make a nice lunch for 7$USD/each. And folks are buying 2 at a time.

Heart healthy and everything.

Ain't paying the rent, but it helps with fuel bills. And I get to feed God's kids.

/johnny

16 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: ex-Texan
My brother spent 20 years in banking before going into the title insurance industry. One of his closest banking buddies took early retirement in 1994. He moved to a well known city in the deep south because he loves college football. The man paid cash for a huge home. But he got bored. He noticed there were very few hot dog vendors doing business.

He set up one hot dog stand buying most of dogs, buns and stuff for cash. He made a killing. All cash money. Now he owns about twenty hot dog stands and pays others to run them. 'Nuff said here.

He's hotdog zillionaire and good for him
All cash business just like the immigrants like so as to fiddle & diddle with the taxes
But he got in on it a while ago and tied up a lot of good venues
Those who buy a cart now will have it more difficult......
Or will not be able to expand so much

17 posted on 08/17/2008 5:32:52 AM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: dennisw

Tyson’s Corners would be a target-rich environment.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 5:49:50 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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