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Georgia to become NATO member: Merkel
AFP ^ | 17 Aug 2008

Posted on 08/17/2008 8:18:58 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246

TBILISI (AFP) – German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday in the Georgian capital that the ex-Soviet republic, currently mired in conflict with Russia, will join NATO.

"Georgia will become a member of NATO if it wants to -- and it does want to," she said before talks with President Mikheil Saakashvili in Tbilisi.

It was one of the strongest statements yet of support for Georgia's NATO membership bid, which is fiercely opposed by Russia.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; merkel; nato; saakashvili; southossetia
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1 posted on 08/17/2008 8:19:00 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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2 posted on 08/17/2008 8:22:01 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Holy cow (if true).

Could this have been one of the few times where Russia got caught playing checkers, rather than chess?

3 posted on 08/17/2008 8:22:51 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Grzegorz 246

I find it funny that Russia has fast tracked exactly what they didn’t want by this act of theirs.

I hope this means that Europe is ready to stand up to them. Given the two conservative leaders in Germany and France, this is good. A few years ago, this would have gotten a much different result.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 8:23:25 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Grzegorz 246

AFP - German Chancellor Merkel shakes hands with Georgian President Saakashvili during a visit to Tblisi. Merkel has said that the ex-Soviet republic -- currently mired in conflict with Russia -- will join NATO.
5 posted on 08/17/2008 8:25:25 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Fantastic, the sooner the better.

Also need to admit the Ukraine. Putin will be invading the Ukraine next.

He obviously plans on taking back all the countries that became free of Russia after Ronald Reagan ended the cold war.

6 posted on 08/17/2008 8:27:55 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Finally, something useful out of Berlin.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 8:28:48 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Camel Joe

Because the rest of the West has just been so awesome??


8 posted on 08/17/2008 8:30:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I get the feeling that this is like France and England guaranteeing to come to Poland’s aid back in the ‘30s.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 8:31:21 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Grzegorz 246

What is the shape of NATO?

Could Germany, France, and others pull together a viable military force and insert it into Georgia in a matter of hours?

I believe Iraq is not a NATO operation and Afghanistan is a very small NATO operation.

Does NATO leadership believe they need UN permission to respond militarily?


10 posted on 08/17/2008 8:31:43 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Hey, Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down that Wall, and he did.

The rest is up to you guys, lol


11 posted on 08/17/2008 8:32:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (If the choice is a suntanned Jimmy Carter or a Cranky Old Guy, I'm with the Cranky Old Guy)
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To: Oatka

Would saying nothing suit you better?


12 posted on 08/17/2008 8:32:19 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: mkjessup

“Hey, Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down that Wall, and he did.”

“Gorbachev did”? Funny, I missed that.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 8:33:45 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I think he’s saying that it’s a noble thing to do, just like it was in the ‘30s.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 8:34:58 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Grzegorz 246

Europe gets a backbone.

They tried doing it the old way, with Sarko’s deal. And Russia spat in Europe’s face.

Russia, ironically, may have just strengthened NATO, rather than hurting it.


15 posted on 08/17/2008 8:37:18 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Not particularly, just thanking God that Merkel is there rather than Schroeder. The silence from Great Britain on this puzzles me still. Schroeder would have taken this opportunity to announce a new partnership with Russia on one thing or another.
16 posted on 08/17/2008 8:38:22 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Tai_Chung

“What is the shape of NATO?”

If NATO is as encouraging to allies as this forum, then I would say not very good.


17 posted on 08/17/2008 8:38:30 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
“Gorbachev did”? Funny, I missed that.

Right. Gorbachev crumbled. He didn't make the wall crumble.

18 posted on 08/17/2008 8:38:46 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Grzegorz 246

“Georgia will become a member of NATO if it wants to; and it does want to.”
- - -
It seems to me that current German Chancellor Angela Merkel
found it necessary to (or perhaps was chosen to)
be the one to make this statement at this time in order to counter the statements
that were made yesterday by former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder
when he (in defense of his russian employers) said that the current hostilities
came as a result of Georgia provoking Russia.


19 posted on 08/17/2008 8:39:16 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Berlin_Freeper
“Hey, Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down that Wall, and he did.”
“Gorbachev did”? Funny, I missed that.


Gorbachev permitted that wall to come down by default, i.e., when the German people on both sides of the wall started dismantling it, you didn't see East German and/or Soviet troops opening fire on the crowds.

If Gorbachev had wished to keep the Berlin Wall in place, he had every means of doing so, and he chose not to.

Happy to help you out there.
20 posted on 08/17/2008 8:49:49 AM PDT by mkjessup (If the choice is a suntanned Jimmy Carter or a Cranky Old Guy, I'm with the Cranky Old Guy)
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To: Tai_Chung

“and Afghanistan is a very small NATO operation.”

Why very small ?


21 posted on 08/17/2008 8:51:47 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: mkjessup
If Gorbachev had wished to keep the Berlin Wall in place, he had every means of doing so, and he chose not to.

If Gorbachev had wished to take down the wall, he would have done so himself, itstead of having the Germans do it.

22 posted on 08/17/2008 8:54:43 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Grzegorz 246

Small in terms of the manpower and logistics required to hunt down the murdering scum of the Taliban. It is of course of vital importance to the Free World as a fledgling Republic is born, a new Free Republic if you will.


23 posted on 08/17/2008 8:59:33 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Tai_Chung
Does NATO leadership believe they need UN permission to respond militarily?

No. Bill Clinton bypassed the UN in the bombing of Kosovo for that very reason.

24 posted on 08/17/2008 9:02:06 AM PDT by torchthemummy ("The stumbles we make (Carter) just point out the path we must or must not take." Irongranpa at LGF)
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To: Grzegorz 246

The only problem is NATO without us (and we are truly stretched at the moment) cannot even protect itself. They have no capability to project power into areas which will soon beocme threatened (Ukraine, Moldova,the Baltic states). Its time for some European gut checks right now.


25 posted on 08/17/2008 9:05:20 AM PDT by Humvee (Beliefs are more powerful than facts - Paulus Atreides)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Elections have consequences. Herr Schroeder is in the pocket of the Ruskies.


26 posted on 08/17/2008 9:06:08 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: FreeReign
If Gorbachev had wished to take down the wall, he would have done so himself, itstead of having the Germans do it.

Oh I don't know, why not use cheap German labor when it's available? LOL
27 posted on 08/17/2008 9:07:27 AM PDT by mkjessup (If the choice is a suntanned Jimmy Carter or a Cranky Old Guy, I'm with the Cranky Old Guy)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Wow God bless GW, he's a man of great courage. You know he and Condi are behind this. This could save NATO as well.
28 posted on 08/17/2008 9:16:26 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
"I think he’s saying that it’s a noble thing to do, just like it was in the ‘30s."

Didn't work out too well for Poland.

29 posted on 08/17/2008 9:18:44 AM PDT by norton
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To: All

This thread reminded me of a really wonderful moment that is now sadly history.

For those of the 80’s, you will appreciate the beauty of the German band The Scorpions singing “Winds of Change” in the Red Square.

The most tearful performance of a German band who fought communism and was able to combine with the Russian orchestra to sing their song in Moscow. The Cold War was supposed to be over.

Just thought some of you would appreciate this and it brought tears to my eyes. The optimism I held is over as of 08/08/08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxobuyB4H38&feature=related.

I follow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change
An August summer night
Soldiers passing by
Listening to the wind of change

The world is closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close, like brothers
The future’s in the air
I can feel it everywhere
Blowing with the wind of change

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change

Walking down the street
Distant memories
Are buried in the past forever
I folow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change

The wind of change
Blows straight into the face of time
Like a stormwind that will ring the freedom bell
For peace of mind
Let your balalaika sing
What my guitar wants to say

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change


30 posted on 08/17/2008 9:18:51 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: mkjessup

I think most Germans wanted the ability to tear it down with their own hands.


31 posted on 08/17/2008 9:20:10 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: FreeReign

By not stopping them, he allowed it. He ordered the Russian troops to stand down.


32 posted on 08/17/2008 9:24:42 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Grzegorz 246

Good. SHould have happened weeks ago. Now the rest of them.


33 posted on 08/17/2008 9:30:45 AM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: MeekOneGOP

ping


34 posted on 08/17/2008 9:40:14 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“If NATO is as encouraging to allies as this forum, then I would say not very good.”

There are real questions about Germany’s committment to NATO right now and it is a perfectly proper reaction given the gap between German words and German deeds of late. Too many Europeans are more than willing to fight to the last American and many folks on this forum, whose kids will be the ones called on to do the heavy work (not yours), resent it.

Germany is a first world country. It is the leading country of the EU, head of a political entity with a larger population and larger economy than the United States. It has a much, much larger stake in what happens beyond its eastern borders than the Americans on this forum. After all, Germany is the one dependent on Russian oil, not America - it is your policies the helped drive this Russian grab for control of your energy. You need to man-up and fix it, not because Anericans are encouraging you, but because it is your responsibility.

America’s landing planes and offloading supplies while Germans talk. A Berlin FReeper, more than anyone else should understand our frustration at another non-response by Europe (a la the Balkans). We supoorted you when Russian bears were growling at your door. Its your turn like it or not.

Remember, the Russians are taking Germany’s measure in this crisis, but so are we Americans.


35 posted on 08/17/2008 9:44:48 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Grzegorz 246

Great.

Let’s discuss the details promptly and soon. Let’s not wait.


36 posted on 08/17/2008 10:04:30 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Grzegorz 246

Great.

Let’s discuss the details promptly and soon. Let’s not wait.


37 posted on 08/17/2008 10:04:34 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Owl558

Well said, Owl, well said.


38 posted on 08/17/2008 10:06:23 AM PDT by mick
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To: Owl558

A couple of comments...first, we now have virtually every nation in Europe plus the United States standing with Georgia. While we are currently in the triage stage (i.e. first stop the bleeding), you can count on the rehabilitation stage to follow. The fact that the entire world realizes in order to avoid going backwards, we need to take a giant step to solidify freedom and independence right up to Russia’s front door, is very encouraging. The deal here really has to be a clear statement to Russia: “Freedom and Independence in the family of nations will not go away and when you bully one of us, you bully all of us”. Russia cannot fight a 17 front war with Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Britain, the United States and others moving to their borders across eight time zones. Russia is quickly realizing they may have grabbed the global tiger by the tail. The world now likes its freedom and does not intend to go back to the 1950’s or 1880’s.


39 posted on 08/17/2008 10:07:35 AM PDT by johnnycap (I would really like the model of Civil Forum that Warren has created to be repeated across the count)
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To: Camel Joe
The silence from Great Britain on this puzzles me still.

Not me. Gordon the Gorgon has enough problems at home, especially with his own party, that he is rather distracted at the moment.

40 posted on 08/17/2008 10:09:24 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Cool!


41 posted on 08/17/2008 10:10:47 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Tai_Chung

NATO needs to establish forward bases in Georgia, Ukraine and the Baltics. Not with American troops either since we’re kinda of busy.


42 posted on 08/17/2008 10:13:17 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Would saying nothing suit you better?

The results would be the same - it's as effective as Euro posturing.

43 posted on 08/17/2008 10:13:17 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: norton
"I think he’s saying that it’s a noble thing to do, just like it was in the ‘30s." Didn't work out too well for Poland.

That was my intent. It didn't work out well for the rest of Europe either. All the Euros can do is huff and puff and look all the weaker for it - and then yell for those despicable Yanks when their bluff is called.

44 posted on 08/17/2008 10:19:53 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Grzegorz 246

This is nothing new. NATO already said Ukraine and Georgia can both join, they just didn’t say when, so it’s kind of meaningless. Merkel is treading water.


45 posted on 08/17/2008 10:29:10 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; ...

Germans do the right thing ping. Leaving being Putin’s bitch to famous anti-semite Buchanan. Putinistas sigin’ the blues.


46 posted on 08/17/2008 10:59:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: nathanbedford

Tell me again how the Euro weenies were all gonna wimp out.


47 posted on 08/17/2008 11:03:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: elhombrelibre
This is an occasion in which I am delighted to be wrong. I don't know where the euros found their grit, but we ought to order another carload of the stuff.

If Europe continues to stand strong it opens up a whole range of diplomatic, economic, and military options. I don't know what they're thinking is. Perhaps they finally found something close enough to home. Perhaps they decided that Georgia is really part of Europe. Perhaps they decided that the threat is real and aimed directly at their national interests. Perhaps they decided that Russia cannot afford to shut off the flow of oil and gas anymore than they can afford to do without it.

Whatever the calculation, Poland and Merkel have made great news.


48 posted on 08/17/2008 11:17:18 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This is nothing new. NATO already said Ukraine and Georgia can both join, they just didn’t say when, so it’s kind of meaningless. Merkel is treading water.

I've seen no conditions set this time from Merkel for Georgia to become part of NATO.

Earlier in the year, Merkel was on record as saying that Georgia must settle its disputes with its (Russian backed) break away provinces before Georgia should become part of NATO. Which of course is like telling the chickens that you will only guard the hen-house after the hens resolve their differences with the -- fox.

49 posted on 08/17/2008 11:44:34 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: nathanbedford

Yours is an honorable reply.


50 posted on 08/17/2008 11:46:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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