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China confiscates Bibles from American Christians
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Posted on 08/17/2008 8:52:11 AM PDT by indcons

Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group's leader said.

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"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" Klein said. "We had over 300 copies and customs took all of them from us."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; antichristian; bible; bibles; chicoms; china; christianpersecution; christians; olympics; redchina
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1 posted on 08/17/2008 8:52:11 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons

The freedoms are written in their constitution, but are enforced otherwise... Something we Americans should take to heart. Though ours come from the Creator, our elected government “representatives” try to usurp them at will.


2 posted on 08/17/2008 8:56:07 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: indcons

Relgion is only free in China, if you keep all your religious thoughts to yourself.


3 posted on 08/17/2008 8:56:43 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: indcons

Feedom of religion. Chicom style.

Now we know what the Tibetians, Uighirs, Mongolians, and other religius minorities have been facing over over the decades.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 8:57:29 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: indcons

Another “Gold Medal” for the Chinese???


5 posted on 08/17/2008 8:58:43 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Don Corleone

They hae a lot more “gold medals” than Phelps could ever dream of.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 9:03:12 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCLAME VS. NOBOMBEM.......What a choice?)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

*Ping*


7 posted on 08/17/2008 9:20:52 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: indcons
...I heard that there's freedom of religion in China...

I'd guess you heard wrong!

Why have so many fools in the US adopted the insane notion that the Chinese are our friends? Could this be a result of our ignorant, stupid, and negligent leaders giving China the "Most favored nation status"? Our citizens need to wake up the fact that we are governed by abject fools.

8 posted on 08/17/2008 10:13:45 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: indcons

But, but everyone says China is a first world country.

That we should trade with them and support them because they have improved their religious freedoms and human rights records.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 10:33:46 AM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: GingisK
Why have so many fools in the US adopted the insane notion that the Chinese are our friends?

Isn't it more about the economy with China than friendship? The game has been, for quite a while now, engage the Chinese,and we'll see some changes. I guess that's just not working very well.

10 posted on 08/17/2008 10:34:27 AM PDT by HondaCRF450
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To: indcons; All

I wonder if this is the same group on a Christian radio station that was asking for donations to take bibles there during the Olympics.

Can someone please explain to me WHY Richard Nixon opened up this Commie hell hole to the rest of the world? It seems to me that we and the rest of the world would have been better off without them.


11 posted on 08/17/2008 11:01:21 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Homosexuality IS a choice! There isn't any biological reason for it. They CHOOSE to be that way!)
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To: proudofthesouth

“It seems to me that we and the rest of the world would have been better off without them.”

Don’t say that to the current administration (or previous ones stretching back to his father and the Bent One).


12 posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:45 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: HondaCRF450
The game has been, for quite a while now, engage the Chinese,and we'll see some changes.

There have indeed been some changes. China has a large manufacturing base, while ours has disappeared. We could once buy quality products, now we must by junk.

China is a nation that is many thousands of years old. How could our leaders be so naive to think our "baby country" would sway Chinese leadership, tradition, and animosity for foreigners? There is a simple answer. American leadership is stupid, irresponsible, and incompetent.

13 posted on 08/17/2008 11:12:17 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

I was actually referring to changes in China with respect to human rights, not in terms of economic strength. You are right, they are better of economically, and our leaders who allowed it to happen are to blame.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 11:21:14 AM PDT by HondaCRF450
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To: HondaCRF450
I was actually referring to changes in China with respect to human rights..

The Chinese never gave any indication that they were interested in improving "human rights". I can't imagine why anyone was expecting them to do so. Besides, one can look at any point in their history, even current events prior to the Olympics, to verify that individuals don't rate particularly high in the scheme of things in China. The communist party has very explicit rules that mandate the elimination of superstitions and religions. This is not likely to change in the near future ... or in many years to come.

15 posted on 08/17/2008 11:28:45 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: indcons
China does NOT allow free Bibles into their country, only stolen software and DVDs.
16 posted on 08/17/2008 11:30:11 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: indcons
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, "

He heard wrong.

17 posted on 08/17/2008 11:34:51 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Whatever that raving thug false prophet in Florida is called, I want to be called something else.)
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To: HondaCRF450

Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?


18 posted on 08/17/2008 12:04:28 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: indcons

According to a friend who is working in China, foreigners can bring their own copy of a Bible into China, but they cannot bring multiple Bibles to distribute to Chinese citizens. Chinese citizens can buy a Bible that is in the Chinese language at the government sanctioned Three Self Church. The church also sells several books by American religious authors that have been translated into Chinese. I’m not sure if the Chinese Bible differs from an American Bible because I don’t know anybody that reads Chinese.

Christians who are working in China have to be very careful. They can generally worship as the please, but they cannot openly teach the Chinese about western religion. If are caught doing this, they will likely be sent home.

The Chinese government sanctioned the establishment of several western denominations for the Olympics, but these churches are only for foreigners. The Chinese cannot attend.


19 posted on 08/17/2008 12:48:24 PM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: BJungNan

Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?

Because they are delusional...


20 posted on 08/17/2008 12:48:24 PM PDT by hippyhater
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To: indcons

Should have known the ChiComs wouldn’t allow the Bible.

Next time, try bringing CD’s labeled ‘ispirations’.


21 posted on 08/17/2008 12:50:47 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: airborne

inspirations - not ‘ispirations’


22 posted on 08/17/2008 12:51:54 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: BJungNan

And what’s wrong with having 300 Bibles?


23 posted on 08/17/2008 1:31:30 PM PDT by HondaCRF450
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To: HondaCRF450

What do you mean what is wrong with four people having 300 Bibles. It is obvious they don’t intend to read them.

Did the claim them as they were going through customs, pay duty on their import? I need to go back and read the article.


24 posted on 08/17/2008 2:23:44 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: HondaCRF450

From the article...

Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group’s leader said.

The Bibles were taken from the group’s checked luggage

Seems pretty clear they were trying to bring them into the country with out claiming them but I could be wrong. What do you think?


25 posted on 08/17/2008 2:31:08 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: airborne
Next time, try bringing CD’s labeled ‘ispirations’.

If they do not declare them at customs as they enter the country, those too will be confiscated if they are found.

26 posted on 08/17/2008 2:32:29 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
Seems pretty clear they were trying to bring them into the country with out claiming them but I could be wrong. What do you think?

To China, these books are contraband unless approved by the censors. They do this with everything, to include magazines, and comics. Not to mention the Internet.

27 posted on 08/17/2008 2:35:51 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: indcons

Seriously, these people were lucky that the Olympics were going on and they didn’t get more of a hassle. I’m thinking that they purposefully brought these Bibles to China - not to distribute - but to prove a point that China does indeed restrict religion. Every missionary I’ve ever spoken with who tells of going to China relays stern warnings about bringing in Bibles and such. It’s not like they didn’t know they would be confiscated.

Kudos to them for bringing this situation to light during the Olympics when it would receive more coverage though - especially with all the MSM reporters there right now. That was good thinking...


28 posted on 08/17/2008 2:55:24 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: GingisK

Ummm... I think that this person was being sarcastic, and “playing dumb” on purpose to prove the point. Pointing out that something that we Americans take for granted - such as being able to share religious views is so restricted in China.

As for the other part of your question - I think it also has to do with the younger generation being brainwashed by the liberals in the schools that communism isn’t “so bad”. And, that China has “capitalism” now, so things are “much better”. Add that to the propaganda pushed by the ChiComs and you’ve got a lot of people who are completely out of touch with the situation.

Now, I was born in 1972, so I wasn’t really around when Nixon was President. However, do you think he could’ve opened up trade with China to prevent them from more closely aligning with Russia, or getting involved in Viet Nam? I’m thinking that it might have played a role. Not that it ended up helping the Chinese people - or our country, but over 35 years ago there may have been a lot more optimism as far as getting them to change. Just a hypothesis...

I will say though that I don’t see why it’s continued as it has when it has become more than obvious that the Commies have no intention of freeing their people in any real sense of the word. Over even just the last decade or so the negatives seem to greatly outweigh the positives for us. Of course, now we are kind of stuck...


29 posted on 08/17/2008 3:04:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: Cold Heat

What magazines are not allowed for distribution in China? What internet sites are restricted? You sound quite knowlegeable, I would like to have a few examples. For example, if I go to China, can I post to and read Free Republic?


30 posted on 08/17/2008 3:21:51 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

To give to the Chinese who want them.


31 posted on 08/17/2008 3:35:08 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: BJungNan

So what if they do? I thought there was freedom of religion in PRC, BJN. At least that’s what you never tire of telling us repeatedly, correct?


32 posted on 08/17/2008 3:42:11 PM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: BJungNan; Cold Heat

LOL....good try at that trick question, BJN. We know YOU access the internet and FR from the local party HQ.

As I said, trick question.


33 posted on 08/17/2008 3:44:54 PM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: BJungNan
For example, if I go to China, can I post to and read Free Republic?

Sorry BJ, but I don't have the approved list. I hear that you might.

34 posted on 08/17/2008 4:03:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: proudofthesouth
Can someone please explain to me WHY Richard Nixon opened up this Commie hell hole to the rest of the world? It seems to me that we and the rest of the world would have been better off without them.

IMO: Pretending that a country with over 1B people doesn't exist, is pretty stupid and short sighted. Especially one with nuclear weapons.

It had to be done. Better us than someone else.

35 posted on 08/17/2008 4:13:51 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: BJungNan
It would have been a little less “in your face” obvious.

And then they'd have actually delivered the Bibles.

Maybe they expected to get caught, and it was a PR move to point out Chinese hypocrisy.

36 posted on 08/17/2008 4:21:14 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: BJungNan

“Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?”

The article says “Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group’s leader said.”


37 posted on 08/17/2008 6:49:13 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: BJungNan
Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?

300 seemed sufficient to prove that the Chinese government lies.

38 posted on 08/17/2008 7:05:30 PM PDT by highlander_UW (illegal alien is to an undocumented worker as a drug dealer is to an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: indcons

Oh yes, the god of Communism.


39 posted on 08/17/2008 7:59:45 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Legalize the Constitution::::The power to tax is the power to kill.)
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To: ViLaLuz
It was a rhetorical question. Guess I forgot the /r
40 posted on 08/17/2008 8:34:06 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Cold Heat

You were the one that brought it up. Thought you might have the list.


41 posted on 08/17/2008 8:36:38 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: indcons
LOL. Yes, I am in the Central Committee headquarters as we speak, the only place in China to access the internet.

All those other people posing as Olympic tourists posting reports from their hotel rooms, internet cafes and Starbucks are really government plants also.

The Chinese have been planning this for year, infiltrating the U.S. to send a large contingent of U.S. citizen spies to China to post back to the U.S. to fool the public into thinking you can access FR from China.

But we figured it out.

42 posted on 08/17/2008 8:39:39 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: indcons

I did not say there was total freedom of religion as it is enjoyed in the U.S.

I continually point out that freedom of religion does not include underground secret churches because it is unlawful assembly. But if you want to attend church on Sunday, there are plenty of churches where you can go worship.

Buy you and I have had this converstation too many times.

To say it again, China does not enjoy the freedom that makes America great. U.S. citizens would do well to take some steps to protect that freedom in the U.S. as by many accounts that freedom is slipping.


43 posted on 08/17/2008 8:43:46 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: GingisK
Why have so many fools in the US adopted the insane notion that the Chinese are our friends?

Because President Bush has repeated this over and over and over?
44 posted on 08/18/2008 4:32:32 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BJungNan

Why did they have to “declare” them? Why was it wrong to have them?


45 posted on 08/18/2008 4:38:47 AM PDT by HondaCRF450
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To: BJungNan
You were the one that brought it up. Thought you might have the list.

Well, it is the topic of the thread. I simply pointed out the controls that I see.

I did not say they were some sort of terrible thing, frankly the U.S. has censored a great deal in it's short history. Back in the 60s when I was a teen, Hollywook was censored for what they saw at the time as too much sexual exposure, so they required separate beds for married people, no outright sexual activities and so forth. By 1969, the rules were being broken so often that the entire process was given up in place of a more legally based framework. The last remnant of this was beaten just recently when Janice Jackson's law suit was thrown out of court for her costume malfunction.

We still have social based censorship in a way, but it's fading. But one could find problems taking a Catholic Bible into a Baptist church, for example....LOL

Anyhoo........I tend to view China's society from the progress it has made and not so much as to where it is now, and I try not to make hypocritical comparisons with the U.S. because we ain't perfect either.

46 posted on 08/18/2008 5:56:42 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: Cold Heat
Hollywook=Hollywood

Frikin laptop keyboard.....

47 posted on 08/18/2008 5:58:58 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: Cold Heat

.......I tend to view China’s society from the progress it has made and not so much as to where it is now.....

That is a great sentence. It is lost on many however because it involves not looking at the world, China in particular, in a mirror.


48 posted on 08/18/2008 6:04:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: af_vet_rr
Because President Bush has repeated this over and over and over?

It didn't start with Bush. The folks in Congress are supposed to think independently to represent their constituents. If they are still in office, they satisfy their constituents. The American Sheeple are ultimately responsible for whatever happens to them.

49 posted on 08/18/2008 6:22:20 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: indcons

Ping to read & respond later


50 posted on 08/18/2008 6:58:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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