Skip to comments.China confiscates Bibles from American Christians
Posted on 08/17/2008 8:52:11 AM PDT by indcons
Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group's leader said.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" Klein said. "We had over 300 copies and customs took all of them from us."
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The freedoms are written in their constitution, but are enforced otherwise... Something we Americans should take to heart. Though ours come from the Creator, our elected government “representatives” try to usurp them at will.
Relgion is only free in China, if you keep all your religious thoughts to yourself.
Feedom of religion. Chicom style.
Now we know what the Tibetians, Uighirs, Mongolians, and other religius minorities have been facing over over the decades.
Another “Gold Medal” for the Chinese???
They hae a lot more “gold medals” than Phelps could ever dream of.
I'd guess you heard wrong!
Why have so many fools in the US adopted the insane notion that the Chinese are our friends? Could this be a result of our ignorant, stupid, and negligent leaders giving China the "Most favored nation status"? Our citizens need to wake up the fact that we are governed by abject fools.
But, but everyone says China is a first world country.
That we should trade with them and support them because they have improved their religious freedoms and human rights records.
Isn't it more about the economy with China than friendship? The game has been, for quite a while now, engage the Chinese,and we'll see some changes. I guess that's just not working very well.
I wonder if this is the same group on a Christian radio station that was asking for donations to take bibles there during the Olympics.
Can someone please explain to me WHY Richard Nixon opened up this Commie hell hole to the rest of the world? It seems to me that we and the rest of the world would have been better off without them.
“It seems to me that we and the rest of the world would have been better off without them.”
Don’t say that to the current administration (or previous ones stretching back to his father and the Bent One).
There have indeed been some changes. China has a large manufacturing base, while ours has disappeared. We could once buy quality products, now we must by junk.
China is a nation that is many thousands of years old. How could our leaders be so naive to think our "baby country" would sway Chinese leadership, tradition, and animosity for foreigners? There is a simple answer. American leadership is stupid, irresponsible, and incompetent.
I was actually referring to changes in China with respect to human rights, not in terms of economic strength. You are right, they are better of economically, and our leaders who allowed it to happen are to blame.
The Chinese never gave any indication that they were interested in improving "human rights". I can't imagine why anyone was expecting them to do so. Besides, one can look at any point in their history, even current events prior to the Olympics, to verify that individuals don't rate particularly high in the scheme of things in China. The communist party has very explicit rules that mandate the elimination of superstitions and religions. This is not likely to change in the near future ... or in many years to come.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, "
He heard wrong.
Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?
According to a friend who is working in China, foreigners can bring their own copy of a Bible into China, but they cannot bring multiple Bibles to distribute to Chinese citizens. Chinese citizens can buy a Bible that is in the Chinese language at the government sanctioned Three Self Church. The church also sells several books by American religious authors that have been translated into Chinese. I’m not sure if the Chinese Bible differs from an American Bible because I don’t know anybody that reads Chinese.
Christians who are working in China have to be very careful. They can generally worship as the please, but they cannot openly teach the Chinese about western religion. If are caught doing this, they will likely be sent home.
The Chinese government sanctioned the establishment of several western denominations for the Olympics, but these churches are only for foreigners. The Chinese cannot attend.
Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?
Because they are delusional...
Should have known the ChiComs wouldn’t allow the Bible.
Next time, try bringing CD’s labeled ‘ispirations’.
inspirations - not ‘ispirations’
And what’s wrong with having 300 Bibles?
What do you mean what is wrong with four people having 300 Bibles. It is obvious they don’t intend to read them.
Did the claim them as they were going through customs, pay duty on their import? I need to go back and read the article.
From the article...
Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group’s leader said.
The Bibles were taken from the group’s checked luggage
Seems pretty clear they were trying to bring them into the country with out claiming them but I could be wrong. What do you think?
If they do not declare them at customs as they enter the country, those too will be confiscated if they are found.
To China, these books are contraband unless approved by the censors. They do this with everything, to include magazines, and comics. Not to mention the Internet.
Seriously, these people were lucky that the Olympics were going on and they didn’t get more of a hassle. I’m thinking that they purposefully brought these Bibles to China - not to distribute - but to prove a point that China does indeed restrict religion. Every missionary I’ve ever spoken with who tells of going to China relays stern warnings about bringing in Bibles and such. It’s not like they didn’t know they would be confiscated.
Kudos to them for bringing this situation to light during the Olympics when it would receive more coverage though - especially with all the MSM reporters there right now. That was good thinking...
Ummm... I think that this person was being sarcastic, and “playing dumb” on purpose to prove the point. Pointing out that something that we Americans take for granted - such as being able to share religious views is so restricted in China.
As for the other part of your question - I think it also has to do with the younger generation being brainwashed by the liberals in the schools that communism isn’t “so bad”. And, that China has “capitalism” now, so things are “much better”. Add that to the propaganda pushed by the ChiComs and you’ve got a lot of people who are completely out of touch with the situation.
Now, I was born in 1972, so I wasn’t really around when Nixon was President. However, do you think he could’ve opened up trade with China to prevent them from more closely aligning with Russia, or getting involved in Viet Nam? I’m thinking that it might have played a role. Not that it ended up helping the Chinese people - or our country, but over 35 years ago there may have been a lot more optimism as far as getting them to change. Just a hypothesis...
I will say though that I don’t see why it’s continued as it has when it has become more than obvious that the Commies have no intention of freeing their people in any real sense of the word. Over even just the last decade or so the negatives seem to greatly outweigh the positives for us. Of course, now we are kind of stuck...
What magazines are not allowed for distribution in China? What internet sites are restricted? You sound quite knowlegeable, I would like to have a few examples. For example, if I go to China, can I post to and read Free Republic?
To give to the Chinese who want them.
So what if they do? I thought there was freedom of religion in PRC, BJN. At least that’s what you never tire of telling us repeatedly, correct?
LOL....good try at that trick question, BJN. We know YOU access the internet and FR from the local party HQ.
As I said, trick question.
Sorry BJ, but I don't have the approved list. I hear that you might.
IMO: Pretending that a country with over 1B people doesn't exist, is pretty stupid and short sighted. Especially one with nuclear weapons.
It had to be done. Better us than someone else.
And then they'd have actually delivered the Bibles.
Maybe they expected to get caught, and it was a PR move to point out Chinese hypocrisy.
“Why do four people need 300 hundred Bibles?”
The article says “Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group’s leader said.”
300 seemed sufficient to prove that the Chinese government lies.
Oh yes, the god of Communism.
You were the one that brought it up. Thought you might have the list.
All those other people posing as Olympic tourists posting reports from their hotel rooms, internet cafes and Starbucks are really government plants also.
The Chinese have been planning this for year, infiltrating the U.S. to send a large contingent of U.S. citizen spies to China to post back to the U.S. to fool the public into thinking you can access FR from China.
But we figured it out.
I did not say there was total freedom of religion as it is enjoyed in the U.S.
I continually point out that freedom of religion does not include underground secret churches because it is unlawful assembly. But if you want to attend church on Sunday, there are plenty of churches where you can go worship.
Buy you and I have had this converstation too many times.
To say it again, China does not enjoy the freedom that makes America great. U.S. citizens would do well to take some steps to protect that freedom in the U.S. as by many accounts that freedom is slipping.
Why did they have to “declare” them? Why was it wrong to have them?
Well, it is the topic of the thread. I simply pointed out the controls that I see.
I did not say they were some sort of terrible thing, frankly the U.S. has censored a great deal in it's short history. Back in the 60s when I was a teen, Hollywook was censored for what they saw at the time as too much sexual exposure, so they required separate beds for married people, no outright sexual activities and so forth. By 1969, the rules were being broken so often that the entire process was given up in place of a more legally based framework. The last remnant of this was beaten just recently when Janice Jackson's law suit was thrown out of court for her costume malfunction.
We still have social based censorship in a way, but it's fading. But one could find problems taking a Catholic Bible into a Baptist church, for example....LOL
Anyhoo........I tend to view China's society from the progress it has made and not so much as to where it is now, and I try not to make hypocritical comparisons with the U.S. because we ain't perfect either.
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.......I tend to view China’s society from the progress it has made and not so much as to where it is now.....
That is a great sentence. It is lost on many however because it involves not looking at the world, China in particular, in a mirror.
It didn't start with Bush. The folks in Congress are supposed to think independently to represent their constituents. If they are still in office, they satisfy their constituents. The American Sheeple are ultimately responsible for whatever happens to them.
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