Mikhail Gorbachev Quote from 1987

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[Blogger]

"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. We want to accomplish three things:

One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative."

Quote by: Mikhail Gorbachev (1931- ) General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the last head of state of the USSR (1985-1991) Date: November 1987 Source: speech to the Soviet Politburo, November 1987

[Blogger]

Well, he hasn't gotten all that he wanted, but should it really be a surprise that the Bear has come out of hibernation?

[ETL]

These “quotes” would be a whole lot more convincing and effective if the site linked directly to the source, instead of to another page of their website.

[FReepaholic]

...One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative."...

So, how did that work out, Mikey?

[meandog]

Well, he hasn't gotten all that he wanted, but should it really be a surprise that the Bear has come out of hibernation?

Yup...and, don't forget, the quote from our dear president about looking into Pootie-Poot's eyes and "seeing the soul of a man I can trust" while our next president, John McCain, said "when I look into Putin's eyes I see KGB!" Oh, how I wish we could have a do-over in the 2000 GOP primary!

[Rick.Donaldson]

That is the quote we have on the main page of our Trans-Asian Axis site....

[durasell]

I wish they’d quit looking into his eyes and start looking into his motives.

[Blogger]

The quote has been around a long time. I don’t necessarily think modern Russia wants to advertise comments from the Soviet Politburo.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Ideas are far more powerful than guns.
We don’t allow our enemies to have guns,
why should we allow them to have ideas?

Joseph Stalin (1879 - 1953)

[Calpernia]

I think we are seeing who didn't want Duncan Hunter as CIC:

>>>Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative<<<

Star Wars

[MuttTheHoople]

Maybe it's just me, but this "Soviet Bear coming out of hibernation" is more like Benito Mussolini trying to revive the Roman Empire. Both invaded a small, relatively helpless country. Just wait until they try to roll through Ukraine and Poland...they can kick butt.

I think we should try some black-op right out of a Tom Clancy or Dale Brown novel, with some stealth bombers taking out the obsolescent tanks, hitting some of the fat, out-of-shape Russian reservists, and generally sowing chaos. Then, when the Russkies leave Georgia with their tail between their legs, let the Soviets kill Putin for trying to mess with America.

[Pantera]

Along the same lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

New Lies for Old

In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old[3], wherein he predicted the collapse of the communist bloc orchestrated from above. He warned about a long-term deception strategy designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated:

* “The ‘liberalization’ [in the Soviet Union] would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party’s role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed.”
* “If [liberalization] should be extended to East Germany, demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated.”
* “The European Parliament might become an all-European socialist parliament with representation from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. ‘Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals’ would turn out to be a neutral, socialist Europe.”

[Blogger]

I am more concerned that it is like Hitler and the Sudetenland.

[dfwgator]

And then Sevastopol will be the new ‘Danzig’.

[Calpernia]

Achievements of Socialism in the Great Patriotic War (Soviet Union)

[ETL]

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2063327/posts?page=3#3

[MuttTheHoople]

The biggest difference is that Germany had first-rate equipment, brilliant generals, and a fit army and air force. The Rooskies have overweight reservists, obsolescent armor, and Generals who have little to no control over their men. The only reason the Georgians fled was simply numerical superiority.

I'm still for a black-op strike on all those tanks.

[Stayfree]

We have not yet used our greatest weapon...Wall St. It is time to let the Rooskies know who holds all the cards in this poker game. It is time to get every American bank, mutual fund, insurance company, foundation and every other institution to start selling every Russian stock that we own. Choke the Rooskies in billions of overnight losses and convince the Europeans to do the same. Let the Rooskies know that if you want to be a bully, there is not a single place on earth outside of Russia to park your rubles!

[Alter Kaker]

[Gondring]

We have not yet used our greatest weapon...Wall St. It is time to let the Rooskies know who holds all the cards in this poker game.

ROTFLOL! And who is going to finance this idea of going against markets? That sort of thinking is expensive, as the USSR found out.

And also, I suppose you haven't looked at the Russian market manipulations in advance of the Georgian invasion, eh?

[Gondring]

Don’t count out all those new young Muslims joining the Russian armed forces!

[Calpernia]

I believe George Soros beat you to it.

[durasell]

Try coordinating Wall Street. It’s like herding cats — ADD cats!

And for the record, I’ve had it up to here with world affairs viewed through the prism of personality.

[Gondring]

I wish they’d quit looking into his eyes and start looking into his motives.

Zing!

[Stayfree]

Flooding the markets with sell orders doesn’t cost a dime!

[Hugin]

Sounds like a phony quote to me. What's the original source? Don't just say a “speech to the Soviet Politburo”. Who published the speech? How do you know it's real? There are tons of phony quotes repeated endlessly on the Internet.

[Calpernia]

And just what is the proper citing format of a speech made to the Soviet Politburo?

[Hugin]

I would suppose it was published somewhere. Otherwise, where it come from?

[wideminded]

This quote seemed to be repeated in many places on the Internet but nobody seems to have the full speech from which it came. On various sites the source of the quote is ascribed to Sir William Stephenson, formerly an assistant to Winston Churchill. But since Sir Stephenson was 90 years old in 1987, it is not at all clear why he would be more informed than other people about a presumably secret speech to the politburo.

It seems to me that it is at least questionable whether this is a real quote.

[wideminded]

See #28.

[Calpernia]

Not all speeches made are published. They come from those that attended, their notes, and transcripts.

I really doubt that the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union has opened their archives; but maybe it is available on the CPUSA archives.

http://dlib.nyu.edu/eadapp/transform?source=tamwag/rcp.xml&style=tamwag/tamwag.xsl&part=body
Guide to the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. Collection

[Quix]

Perhaps even more important than his sobering statement . . .

are the quotes from a long list of famous 'American' Government, political and other 'leaders' . . . using the terms loosely . . . and world political, media, arts leaders from 1900 to present . . .

Please read at least a quote or 3 on each page at post

#76

here:

HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77

[Quix]

YUP!

BTTT

[Quix]

Ahhhhh . . . yes . . .

The III R . . .

benefitting from the considerable financial contributions, aiding and abetting by dear old Grandaddy Prescott . . .

[Quix]

Gorby was saying all manner of things of that ilk . . . Many such have been published by reliable publications for a long time.

Search it out.

[Hugin]

Well, you make my point. If it wasn’t published, and nobody can say where it came from, there is no resaon to believe it’s real. BTW, I did a google on it, and the only place I find it is whackjob conspiracy theory websites. It is doesn’t seem to appear on any mainstream news, historical society, university, etc. websites.

[Gondring]

Well, it’s not a Founding Father, so it’s likely not one of the many David Barton fabrications! :-)

[big'ol_freeper]

...another reason to vote as if our lives depended on it and that means we need to vote to keep nObama over on Crapital Hill and not in the White House.

Only a vote for McCain will do that. I trust John McCain to be Commander-in-Chief. (I’ll fight him on all his liberal domestic tangents)

[Calpernia]

>>>the only place I find it is whackjob conspiracy theory websites

If you don’t like FR, why are you here? FR had several hits for previous postings ;)

[Blogger]

Frankly, that’s a lie. It isn’t only whackjob conspiracy theory websites that publish it. It was a mainstream Christian book I first read it in maybe 10 years ago. Do you consider Christians whackjob conspiracy theorists?

[Hugin]

You are calling me a liar? Based on what? What I said was,

“BTW, I did a google on it, and the only place I find it is whackjob conspiracy theory websites. It is doesn’t seem to appear on any mainstream news, historical society, university, etc. websites.”

Just because you claim to have read that quote in a “mainstream Christian book” ten years ago (that you don’t name) doesn’t refute what I wrote in any way. And how does that in any way suggest I think Christians are whackjob conspiracy theorists? Of course a Christian can be a whackjob conspiracy theorist as much as anybody else, but I said nothing about Christians, only about the websites that I found in a cursory search.

Maybe you should consider taking a Logic course.

[ETL]

This is the quote we need to be worried about: (it follows the photos)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2063327/posts?page=3#3

And it's definitely a real one:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the+greatest+geopolitical+catastrophe&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

[ETL]

ping

[Quix]

Thanks.

sobering.

[ETL]

You are aware that CPUSA and the Revolutionary Communist Party USA are two different organizations? It’s not entirely clear from your post. CPUSA is the Communist Party USA, a legal political party in the U.S., while the RCP is not an actual political party, at least not a legal one. The RCP is Maoist.

[wideminded]

the only place I find it is whackjob conspiracy theory websites.

Generally speaking that's also what I found, but I did also find a case in which a member of the British House of Commons used the same quote in a speech. He ascribed the source to Sir William Stephenson. As I said earlier, this does not seem to make much sense.

[Calpernia]

I’m familiar with both organizations. Thanks.

[Thunder90]

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

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[dfwgator]

Cue the Rush Limbaugh “Empire Strikes Back” music...

[nw_arizona_granny]

Thank you for the Ping.

[TigersEye]

BTW, I did a google on it, and the only place I find it is whackjob conspiracy theory websites.

When I Googled Mikhail Gorbachev Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. at least half of the sites are Christian sites.

But the quote can be found at PatriotPost.us which is a pretty respectable conservative news site.