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U.S.' Gates scoffs at Russian warnings to Poland
Reuters ^ | Sun Aug 17, 2008 | Susan Cornwell

Posted on 08/17/2008 11:44:17 AM PDT by lizol

U.S.' Gates scoffs at Russian warnings to Poland

Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:11pm BST

By Susan Cornwell

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pentagon chief Robert Gates dismissed as "empty rhetoric" on Sunday Russian warnings that Moscow would target Poland for a possible military strike because Warsaw agreed to host part of a U.S. missile shield.

"Russia is not going to launch nuclear missiles at anybody," Defense Secretary Gates said on ABC News' "This Week." "The Poles know that. We know it."

Col-General Anatoliy Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff, told Interfax on Friday that Russian military doctrine would allow for a possible nuclear strike, after Warsaw agreed to deploy 10 interceptors at a site in Poland as part of the missile shield.

This was "strident rhetoric and probably fairly empty rhetoric," said Gates, a former CIA director and expert on Russia.

"I'm not quite sure why this deputy chief of staff felt compelled to make those kinds of threats," Gates said, adding that the threat was a throwback to the days of the old Soviet Union, when Moscow was Poland's overlord in the Warsaw Pact.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; missiledefense; nuclearwarheads; poland; robertgates; russia; secdef

1 posted on 08/17/2008 11:44:18 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
A few dozen new air craft and stinger missiles would speak even louder.
2 posted on 08/17/2008 11:47:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: org.whodat

Poland is recieving late block F-16s


3 posted on 08/17/2008 11:49:41 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: lizol; All; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; PhilDragoo; Southack; SierraWasp
NEVER FORGET: Barak Hussein Obama has vowed to scrap that unproven missile defense, and use the monetary savings to fund his social programs.

If it's so unproven Mr. Obama, why would a Soviet General threaten Poland with a nuclear strike for deploying it???

4 posted on 08/17/2008 11:51:20 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: voteNRA; valkyry1; Monkey Face; MajorChaos; rrstar96; Arthur Wildfire! March; Lorianne; ZULU; ...
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5 posted on 08/17/2008 11:53:47 AM PDT by lizol
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Obama is going to be left further and further behind, and relgated to more and more irrelevence...and it will be obvious...as events continue to unfold.

What we are seeing happen here is John McCain's plan, that he spoke of immediately out of the shoot, and which Bush also announced, being implemented and saving Georgia.


GEORGIA CONFLICT 2008


6 posted on 08/17/2008 11:55:24 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: USNBandit

Send more and send them now, and some to georgia, with pilots to fly them as well. I cannot believe that those pieces of s-crap Russian tanks were not all taken out by ied’s. Has the CIA been on vacation as normal.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 11:56:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I just wonder if the perceived popularity of Barak Obama might have been a small factor in encouraging the Russians. With the US media all but declaring him to be the winner, perhaps they thought they could just go ahead and run over him now rather than later.
8 posted on 08/17/2008 12:00:46 PM PDT by tbpiper (McCain is whitebread. Obama is toast.)
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To: Jeff Head
I'm loving it. The "empty suit-Obama" is showing his colors wherever and whenever he opens his mouth. Last night's slaughter at Saddleback was only the beginning.

When the general public sees danger, as in Georgia, they will see McCain's steadfast commitment to freedom as the only way to turn.

9 posted on 08/17/2008 12:02:38 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: tbpiper
With the US media all but declaring him to be the winner, perhaps they thought they could just go ahead and run over him now rather than later.

Very good point. It is clear that their reaction was planned well in advance and I would surely like to know if the Obamination's weakness was a factor in the decision as to how far they thought they could go.

10 posted on 08/17/2008 12:05:50 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: org.whodat

i am really wondering whether our CIA has been infiltrated....Guess I will just have to wait for the next TV season of “ 24”.

What the Georgians really needed was JACK BAUER!!!


11 posted on 08/17/2008 12:06:01 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: lizol

We have not yet used our greatest weapon...Wall St. It is time to let the Rooskies know who holds all the cards in this poker game. It is time to get every American bank, mutual fund, insurance company, foundation and every other institution to start selling every Russian stock that we own. Choke the Rooskies in billions of overnight losses and convince the Europeans to do the same. Let the Rooskies know that if you want to be a bully, there is not a single place on earth outside of Russia to park your rubles!


12 posted on 08/17/2008 12:09:49 PM PDT by Stayfree (***************************************IF IT IS LEFT, IT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Putin definitely wants Obama to win the election, since Obama still has training wheels on his bicycle. What we need to counter Russia is another Ronald Reagan, who was not afraid to label the USSR as the “Evil Empire”. The Soviets (Russians, whatever) only seem to understand the threat of force.

The Russians would be insane if they attacked Poland. It would prompt an immediate retaliation by NATO against Russia. AS IN, Moscow would be pounded into oblivion. Unless of course Americans are dumb enough to elect Obama, who would simply let the Russians take over.

McCain is the only real choice we have as next President.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 12:15:54 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Our enemies follow our media. That's why a majority of bombings in Iraq occur in time for the weekend news cycle. The media has done nothing but denigrate the war effort giving the whole world the idea that all Americans are against it and the President. It has given hope to the jihadist in Iraq and led to more American deaths. Our media and antiar activist (both outside and inside the government) are largely responsible for the casuality count in Iraq.

I believe the Russians were taking advantage of what they perceived to be a very weakened administration followed by a spineless, naive replacement.

Oh, did I mention how much I hate the media? Selfish, lying bastards (and I mean that in the nicest way).

14 posted on 08/17/2008 12:20:40 PM PDT by tbpiper (McCain is whitebread. Obama is toast.)
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To: lizol
To me, personally, dying from a Soviet nuke is much better than living under the rules of those alcoholic hordes. The best 20 years of my life were irretrievably waisted under the Soviet occupation of Poland. I remember the feeling of paralyzing helplessness, ubiquitous communist paranoia all around - red hell on Earth. Therefore I'd rather die than live under their occupation again. So, if need be, let America install even 1000 nuclear missiles on the Polish territory because the language of brutal force is the only one they understand and count with

Anyway, if anybody in the west have had any doubts so far about true intentions of the Russians, then the things they say in these days may lay all their doubts to rest.

Russia does not afraid the Shield, Russia loses its chance to regain empire. Poland alone would probably lose a military conflict with Russia. However, with US troops on the Polish territory Russia may only dream about conquering Poland. The threat of immediate US response in case of war is the only reason the Russian generals are so angry with the U.S.-Polish treaty. Farewell to Red Empire forever!

15 posted on 08/17/2008 12:21:22 PM PDT by Matt_Rel
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"If it's so unproven Mr. Obama, why would a Soviet General threaten Poland with a nuclear strike for deploying it???"

Another profound rhetorical question crying out to be answered by someone trying to claim-jump the Presidency!!!

16 posted on 08/17/2008 12:22:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: lizol
I'm sure this has something to do with his confidence.
17 posted on 08/17/2008 12:23:33 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: Stayfree

Hate to mention this but when it comes to soft power, Russia, and its consideable oil reserves, has US over a barrel. And seeing as they supply Europe with upwards of 40% of their energy needs, its unlikely they’ll be of much assistance. Meanwhile our armed forces are somewhat busy these days in Iraq and Afghanistan defending us.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 12:24:26 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: tbpiper
With the US media all but declaring him to be the winner, perhaps they thought they could just go ahead and run over him now rather than later.

I think that's a good premise.

In 1961, John Kennedy and Jackie met Nikita Krushchev in Vienna. The Russian leader sized Kennedy up as weak. American missiles in Turkey had been a burr under the Russians' saddle. So to counter the Turkish missiles, Nikita took the chance that Kennedy would do nothing and started placing Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba as a counter move.

That almost started a nuclear war, based on Krushchev's misreading of JFK's temperament. Or maybe JFK was finally matured by the open possibility of nuclear war on our soil .

I don't think we can afford to choose a leader whose idea of countering tough talk and possible tough actions on the part of putative enemies is to sit down and try to play pat-a-cake with them.

Read the papers; the Russkies are threatening to target Poland with nuclear weapons.

I'm too old to want this sort of crap back again to plague my children, grandkids and great-grandkids. Reagan shut it down. But any perceived weakness on our part is likely to bring it to life again.

I simply don't believe that Putin or his generals are likely to mistake what sort of man John McCain is.

19 posted on 08/17/2008 12:56:42 PM PDT by Ole Okie (Who are you going to believe anyway, Gore or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: Stayfree

Thank you for the idea. I will look into shorting the Russian etf.


20 posted on 08/17/2008 1:24:36 PM PDT by Defiant (The Obamessiah creed: There was a pedophile named Mohammed, and Obama is his messenger.)
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To: Ole Okie

It won’t be long before the MSM accuses Russia of only trying to help McCain elected so we buy more oil.


21 posted on 08/17/2008 1:28:01 PM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Matt_Rel; BOBTHENAILER

It’s extremely impressive that President Bush installed Russian expert Rice as Secretary of State **years** before Russia was in a position to move on Georgia, the Ukraine, and Poland.

Ditto for deploying national missile defenses in Japan, the U.S., and Israel. Soon those missile defenses will be in Poland and Czech.

None of this happened overnight. Bush is such a refreshing, startling contrast to liberals...

...liberals wake up each morning, read the headlines of the paper, and scream that whatever made the news is “Bush’s Fault.”

That’s reactionary. That’s primitive. It’s shallow, too.

And it’s certainly not what we want leading the World’s last super power at this point in time.


22 posted on 08/17/2008 1:40:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
None of this happened overnight. Bush is such a refreshing, startling contrast to liberals...

Perfect description.

23 posted on 08/17/2008 1:46:56 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: SierraWasp

I’d give just about anything to be able to ask that question at one of the upcoming debates.


24 posted on 08/17/2008 1:52:26 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Jeff Head
I was just listening to Pat Buchanan on "Brian and the Judge" talk radio, and he absolutely stunned me with his pro-Russian rant. He said it would be stupid to take any of the ex-Soviet nations into NATO, and that the Georgians caused the whole thing with their "stunt" by attacking South Ossetia.

When asked if the Russian response was appropriate, Pat replied, "What the hell was our response in Iraq? They didn't attack us."

Then Danny Glover was brought in just to clean up the moonbat position, and he said, "Absolutely do NOT eject Russia from Georgia! Put Bush and Cheney in prison!!!"

My beeber is still stuned.

25 posted on 08/17/2008 4:06:06 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Sender

You have to wonder about the mugger that says if you arm yourself in self defense, he will have to attack you.


26 posted on 08/17/2008 4:18:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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27 posted on 08/17/2008 8:54:35 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
If it's so unproven Mr. Obama, why would a Soviet General threaten Poland with a nuclear strike for deploying it???

Out here, at Barking Sands, there have been several successful intercept by the USS Lake Erie. At least one was up to 100 miles altitude. Yeah, we can do it.......and the Neo Sovs know it.
28 posted on 08/17/2008 9:20:45 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent!


29 posted on 08/17/2008 10:46:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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