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Breaking News: Dam Breaks Near the Grand Canyon Forcing Hundreds to Evacuate [Havasupai]
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Posted on 08/17/2008 3:29:43 PM PDT by flyfree

An earthen dam broke near the Grand Canyon following heavy rains, and officials are evacuating hundreds from the massive gorge.

Grand Canyon National Park spokeswoman Maureen Oltrogge says Redlands Dam broke at about 6 a.m. and is causing some flooding in the town of Supai at the bottom of the canyon.

She says Supai is not under water. About 400 members of the Havasupai Tribe live there.

Oltrogge says some campers and river runners in the canyon also are being evacuated by seven helicopters at the scene.

She says evacuees are being taken to a Red Cross shelter in Peach Springs.

No injuries have been reported.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: dam; grandcanyon; havasupai
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1 posted on 08/17/2008 3:29:43 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

For Action News, something that happened 12 hours ago is “breaking news”.


2 posted on 08/17/2008 3:32:53 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Just dam...


3 posted on 08/17/2008 3:33:55 PM PDT by null and void (Barack zerObama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: DManA

http://www.abc15.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=136d63b7-bfaa-4d77-80ab-06c0f575b557


4 posted on 08/17/2008 3:36:44 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

Havasupai Falls

5 posted on 08/17/2008 3:40:26 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

Glad to hear no one was hurt. Who takes care of this tribe? Do they fend for themselves, or will FEMA arrive to give them debit cards for drugs, flat-screen TVs and lap dances? /Sarcasm off. Maybe.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 3:40:31 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: DManA

It wasn’t 12 hours ago.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 3:40:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I think they do okay with tourism. They have a lodge and campground. Hopefully it wasn’t damaged.


8 posted on 08/17/2008 3:44:36 PM PDT by kms61
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To: steve86

Yahoo calls it “early Sunday”.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 3:48:50 PM PDT by umgud
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To: flyfree

Beautiful.


10 posted on 08/17/2008 3:49:13 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

http://www.havasupaitribe.com/


11 posted on 08/17/2008 3:50:00 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

12 posted on 08/17/2008 3:51:17 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Axis of Evil = Iran , North Korea , Midget Mac)
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To: flyfree

Wow, that looks too pretty to be real.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 3:51:25 PM PDT by TBall
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To: umgud
Moving people out of the canyon probably had to happen in daylight. Supai is in a very remote area. The only way in and out is by Helicopter, hiking or equestrian.
14 posted on 08/17/2008 3:53:41 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: TBall

Havasupi is one of the jewels of Arizona.


15 posted on 08/17/2008 3:55:04 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree; yorkie

I had read that the monsoon rains in northern Arizona have been heavy for the last two weeks or so. Something like this was bound to happen.


16 posted on 08/17/2008 3:57:58 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: apocalypto

Yes it is. More photos here:

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=havasupai


17 posted on 08/17/2008 4:00:46 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

I was wondering if this was the same ‘beauty spot’ I’d read about before.

yikes.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 4:01:25 PM PDT by lainie (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: flyfree; Diana in Wisconsin; girlangler
I spent the night in my little single-wide getaway about 15 miles from Grand Canyon West last night. I thought the winds were going to tip the mobile over. Lightning was coming from all directions -- every second. Then huge downpours of rain followed by nothing. Then more downpours, then nothing.

Man, I love the monsoon season!

19 posted on 08/17/2008 4:06:19 PM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: flyfree

TNX!


20 posted on 08/17/2008 4:06:52 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: flyfree

Breaking News: Dam Breaks

Good thing Pelosi and Obama didn’t get their dirty hands on the strategic reserves, we might actually have an emergency where we can’t wait for the Middle East.


21 posted on 08/17/2008 4:07:03 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Flycatcher

There is nothing like a thunderstorm at the grand canyon :)


22 posted on 08/17/2008 4:07:18 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: DManA

Statement as of 3:10 PM MDT on August 17, 2008

The National Weather Service in Flagstaff has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
central Coconino County in north central Arizona...

* until 715 PM MST

* at 306 PM MST... National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated
flash flooding from a thunderstorm over the warned area.

Flood waters are likely moving down Red Lake wash... Monument
Wash... as well as upper portions of Cataract Creek. This warning
is in addition to a Flash Flood Warning already in effect for lower
portions of Cataract Creek and the Supai area.

Most flood deaths occur in automobiles. Never drive your vehicle into
areas where the water covers the roadway. Flood waters are usually
deeper than they appear. Just one foot of flowing water is powerful
enough to sweep vehicles off the Road. When encountering flooded
roads make the smart choice... turn around... dont drown.

Flooding is occurring or is imminent. It is important to know where
you are relative to streams... rivers... or creeks which can become
killers in heavy rains. Campers and hikers should avoid streams or
creeks.

Lat... Lon 3576 11233 3534 11212 3535 11242 3574 11254


23 posted on 08/17/2008 4:09:50 PM PDT by lainie (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: umgud; Feiny; al baby; EveningStar; Dashing Dasher; BillyA
Yahoo calls it “early Sunday”.

The Indians call it "Maize..."

24 posted on 08/17/2008 4:13:13 PM PDT by JRios1968 (I doubled the pressure in my Obamas, now my fuel gauge runs backwards and my tank is overflowing!)
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To: flyfree

Meanwhile, three empty tour boats were spotted down the river, but all 16 occupants were located on a ledge off the river bank, said Maureen Oltrogge, spokeswoman for Grand Canyon National Park. All 16 were airlifted from the scene and transported to the shelter.

More rain was forecast for the area Sunday afternoon, according to the National Weather Service.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/08/17/arizona.dam/


25 posted on 08/17/2008 4:55:36 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

Warren Youngman, assistant special agent in charge with the United States Bureau of Indian Affairs, said water breached the Redlands Dam south of the village after heavy rains Sunday, and everyone was ordered to evacuate the canyon for safety reasons.

There is no estimated time when the evacuation will be complete. Evacuees are being taken to a Red Cross shelter in Peach Springs.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/08/17/20080817supai0817online.html


26 posted on 08/17/2008 4:57:36 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

We rafted the canyon about 12 yrs ago. We hiked up the side canyon carved by the Havasu River, some going all the way to the falls. It was truly beautiful.

If the people whose rafts washed away were on the rocks just West of the Havasu, they had good high rocks to wait on. The River has cut a fairly deep gorge right at the conflence of the Colorado.


27 posted on 08/17/2008 5:18:48 PM PDT by FrogMom
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To: flyfree
Hike there some years ago. You have to pack everything in and everything out. 22 miles round trip. There were some beautiful tiered pools just above the falls. High Ground signs everywhere. Heard the tiered pools were washed away by another flood.
28 posted on 08/17/2008 5:26:47 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: flyfree

That has to be one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.


29 posted on 08/17/2008 5:46:40 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: cmsgop

Ah, a recycled Quonset hut and ye olde swamp cooler... the Arizona of my youth.


30 posted on 08/17/2008 5:46:44 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy cartel is to stop needing their energy)
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To: Flycatcher

You didn’t say if you were 15 miles downstream or not, but if you were, you got outta there just in time!!!

What a beautiful place to have a getaway.

I chose several years ago to get back to the country, and live on a huge lake in east Tennessee. Fortunately, I am upstream of the dam. At the top of a large ridge (some would call them mountains).

In spite of this, I paid a huge flood insurance policy till recently, when some wealthier landowners here got together and straightened this out.

It would take a “Noah’s Ark” type flood to get to me up here on this ridge. Yet, I am very close to some boat launches and can be on this lake quickly.

Are the monsoons there a result of all this global warming? Somebody should tell folks in southeast Asia that is why they have had these monsoons so many hundreds of years.

Glad you are okay flycatcher. Nature is awesome isn’t it? I experience some real doozy storms here, am prepared for long time power outages. We have been without power for 48 hours, in very cold weather. Being isolated, we are the last ones to get help in these situations, but we deal with it (smile). In fact, it adds some excitement to life.


31 posted on 08/17/2008 5:47:17 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL.

Diana, you have been through this. And very good questions, BTW.

I’m still waiting on FEMA to reimburse me for all the money I spent on flood insurance, and I live on top of a danged mountain, WAY above the dam.

SOMEBODY has to pay for all the humanitarian help this horrible country offers (sarc).

I’m calling Sean Penn, he’ll help me!!!


32 posted on 08/17/2008 5:58:47 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
I chose several years ago to get back to the country, and live on a huge lake in east Tennessee.

Bet my lake is bigger than your lake! LOL!

My getaway is on Grapevine Mesa near Meadview AZ. The end of the Grand Canyon is a few miles east and Lake Mead (my lake) is a few miles west (but more than 2,000 feet below me).

In this part of the country, the rains that arrive in late July and extend through August are known as "the Monsoon." But they are much appreciated in a land that receives under five inches of rain a year.

As for you, east Tennessee... large lakes... you must be near Knoxville. Go Vols!

33 posted on 08/17/2008 6:00:05 PM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: HiJinx

Oh yes...It’s been a while since we’ve seen such a wet and long running monsoon season. It happens ever so many years.


34 posted on 08/17/2008 6:14:13 PM PDT by hope
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To: Flycatcher

I spent the night on Roosevelt Lake last night...Thought all hell was going to break loose...then came the calm ....The winds were hell before that though. I’m pretty sure Payson got a woopin out of it.


35 posted on 08/17/2008 6:18:16 PM PDT by hope
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To: Flycatcher

I’ve camped there, too. Quite some time ago. In fact, that “canyon” was just a little “depression” in the ground it was that long ago, LOL!

I’ll never forget the sight of my Mom (City Girl) on a donkey. Priceless. :)


36 posted on 08/17/2008 6:20:15 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: flyfree
"There is nothing like a thunderstorm at the grand canyon :)"

Like walking on clouds!!!

37 posted on 08/17/2008 6:22:07 PM PDT by hope
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To: ejonesie22; flyfree

I think we should all move there. Like this week.


38 posted on 08/17/2008 6:34:37 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: girlangler

The only thing Sean Penn can help you “get” is a tattoo or a social disease. Plus, I’m betting that just being in his presence lowers your IQ by about 20 points per second, LOL!

I think you and I together could beat the snot out of that “whipper-snapper.”

I’m betting he doesn’t even know how to catch a fish. He probably eats fancy fish dishes at Spago all the time and doesn’t even REALIZE it’s JUST fish that he’s paying hundreds of dollars for per bite, LOL! ;)


39 posted on 08/17/2008 6:42:47 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

>I’ve camped there, too. Quite some time ago. In fact, that “canyon” was just a little “depression” in the ground it was that long ago, LOL!<

Are you the green eyed gal that Moses always talked about when we went fishing??


40 posted on 08/17/2008 6:44:14 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: HiJinx

Tonight was the third night we have had extremely heavy rain-fall here in Sedona. My porch has flooded every night, and every single towel I had available, was used to soak up the water.

Tonight, I thought I was smart, putting duct tape on the inside and outside of the door, before the rains came, (where the water comes running through) - but this evening, it was thundering and lightening almost simultaneously as I was taping up the door - you guessed it - I’m a chicken. I ran inside - and left one area of the door un-taped. Result? More flooding on my porch. Dang!


41 posted on 08/17/2008 6:49:59 PM PDT by yorkie (Each of us is a vital thread in another person's tapestry)
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To: B4Ranch; patton; leda

I remember a time when I loaned Moses a handful of my Red Wigglers and a cup of my sourdough starter.

I believe it resulted in that whole “Loaves and Fishes” thing, LOL!

Ping to Patton. I know you love these ‘tall tales.’ :)


42 posted on 08/17/2008 6:52:18 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: yorkie
Sedona....been thru there once...beautiful country...
43 posted on 08/17/2008 6:55:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Tall tales? Me? Never!

(we call them “war stories.”)


44 posted on 08/17/2008 7:05:10 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: steve86

Grand Canyon National Park spokeswoman Maureen Oltrogge says Redlands Dam broke at about 6 a.m.

Story was posted 5:30 PM


45 posted on 08/17/2008 7:08:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
About 400 members of the Havasupai Tribe live there. used to live there.
46 posted on 08/17/2008 7:11:24 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: DManA

It was posted at 2:57pm Arizona time.


47 posted on 08/17/2008 7:16:15 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, Ernest - it is beautiful - but, not when it’s flooding. I was trapped in a flood here in 1993 - I honestly didn’t think I would survive. The water came rushing down Oak Creek Canyon - and I was trapped on an ‘island’ - no way in, and no way out. Probably the most terrifying (yet spiritually revealing) nights of my life.


48 posted on 08/17/2008 7:20:11 PM PDT by yorkie (Each of us is a vital thread in another person's tapestry)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; billhilly; Flycatcher; proud_yank; CrappieLuck; Grammy; jazusamo; george76

I hate to sound like a redneck, but I would have SO much fun whuppin the shit out of that girly boy!!!! I’d take him fishing without a plug for the boat, and scare the crap out of him in the meantime, make him think snakes and spiders are crawling all over the boat (which they might be, and d***, sink or swim time).

Although, Mama always taught us never to fight someone weaker. She taught us never to start a fight, but if someone started one with us, we’d get a whoopin when we got home if we didn’t finish it.

Funny how that redneck, lower class, gun totin, Bible thumpin raising turned out. I would back WAY into a corner before defending myself. But when push comes to shove, I’ve actually whooped some butt!!!

I’m not proud of that, of course. Just don’t have much respect for the elitists who come to save us unenlightened rednecks.

Anyone heard any more of Sean Penn’s humanitarian pursuits since his doomed NO efforts to save those under water?

I haven’t. I have read he has jetsetted across the globe meeting with dictators and badmouthing the U.S.

Has he been nominated for a Pulitzer yet?


49 posted on 08/17/2008 7:21:42 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Is your area as dry as North Georgia?

Hope that Fay can punch inland far enough to give you a little rain.

50 posted on 08/17/2008 7:24:26 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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