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Obama's infanticide problem
American Thinker ^ | 8-17-08 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 08/17/2008 4:01:53 PM PDT by Renfield

You can tell Barack Obama knows he has a problem when he starts lying about his record, and the lie is readily disprovable. Such is the case with his 2002 vote against the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act (covered today by Kyle-Anne Shiver's AT article, and by Ed Lasky's AT article last week). A nearly identical federal bill passed the Senate unanimously, supported even by the likes of Barbara Boxer.

Guy Benson of Townhall.com explains the context:

What made the federal bill so much better, he explained, was its inclusion of an additional clause that expressly (and redundantly) stated the law would have zero effect whatsoever on abortion policy or the legal status of the unborn. This language convinced the Senate's most reliable pro-abortion members to support the measure unanimously. Even NARAL gave it the green light, and Obama claimed he would have, too. [....]

Setting aside the meaninglessness of Obama's distinction between the state and federal bills, he seemed to believe this explanation would satisfy voters' concerns about the issue. The media swallowed his story without skepticism, thus discarding Obama's potential political problem in the proverbial linen closet. But truth has resilient streak, and years later, Obama's tale is unraveling.

The National Right to Life Committee last week uncovered documents proving that Obama's "I-totally-would've-supported-the-Senate-bill-because-I'm-a-moderate!" clarification is an outright falsehood. According to NRLC spokesman Douglas Johnson, the records "prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an Illinois state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion - even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion."

Jill Stanek, the Illinois labor and delivery nurse whose exposure of the practice of treating abortion survivors as medical waste, sparking the state bill, and the later federal legislation, exposes the lie Obama told last night after the Saddleback Forum, in the Illinois Review.

Barack Obama's stood by his lie that he did not vote against an identical bill as IL state senator to the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act when responding to that pointed question to CBN's David Brody last night after the Saddleback Showdown :

(Video of Obama lying is linked at original article)

And here is the document from the state senate archives that proves the lie:

Stanek explains:

"DP#1" means "Do Pass Amendment #1." "DPA" means "Do Pass as Amended."

Here is the original bill. Here is Amendment #1. Here is the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act.

Obama first voted in favor of Amendment #1 and then voted against the Born Alive bill as amended. It couldn't be more clear. Furthermore, here is the Republican Senate Staff Analysis from that day, expressing the same understanding of the chain of events:

Benson speculates about why Obama took the ultra radical position he embraced with his vote:

Americans must ask themselves why Barack Obama really opposed this legislation. It's already been established that his standard explanation isn't the truth, so what's the genuine reason? One possible answer is that Obama's commitment to legalized abortion runs so deep that he believes the Constitution guarantees that "right," even if the initial abortion procedure fails. Put crudely, once a woman chooses to abort, she's entitled to a dead baby. That position is so far out of the mainstream, it's no wonder Obama may have decided to use misdirection and deception to explain away his vote.

Another possibility is that Obama's a hyper-partisan ideologue. The driving forces behind the Born Alive Infant Protection Act were pro-life groups that generally support Republicans. Perhaps Obama's fierce partisanship and leftist ideology were simply too strong for him to stomach handing any conservative group a political victory.

The liberal media are just going to shrug their shoulders and move on. But the pro-life community is large enough and organized well enough to make this lie an issue. The failure of the same liberal media to cover the John Edwards scandal ensures that the public is aware of how selective and biased they are, heightening their receptiveness to news from alternative sources.

This lie isn't going to go away quietly. The undecided voters have one more reason to distrust the fine-sounding smooth rhetoric dished out by Obama.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: abortion; bornalive; demlies; infanticide; lying; obama; obamarecord

1 posted on 08/17/2008 4:01:53 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

A package of Born Alive bills was introduced three times during Obama’s tenure.

The cornerstone bill was the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which defined legal personhood. This definition was identical to the federal BAIPA (1) which was drafted from the definition of “live birth” created by the World Health Organization in 1950 (2) and adopted by the United Nations in 1955 (3)....

Here I will only post links to Obama’s actions and votes on the cornerstone bill, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. The bill number changed every year it was reintroduced.

2001

Senate Bill 1095 (4), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote (5) in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 28, 2001.

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (6), March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

Obama’s “present” vote on the IL Senate floor (7), March 30, 2001

2002

Senate Bill 1662 ( 8 ), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee (9) on March 6, 2002. (ABC inadvertently coped bill #1663, a companion bill. The vote for the Born Alive bill, #1662, was identical.)

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (10), April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor (11), April 4, 2002

2003

Senate Bill 1082 (12), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Democrats took control of the IL Senate with the 2002 elections. They sent Born Alive to the infamously liberal Health & Human Services Committee, chaired by Barack Obama (13).

As can be seen on the Actions docket (14), Obama held Born Alive on March 6, 2003, from even being voted on in committee. It is also important to note from the docket that on March 13, 2003, Obama stopped the senate sponsor from adding the lately discussed clarification paragraph (15) from the federal BAIPA, to make the bills absolutely identical.

1. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2175

2. http://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/indunder5mortality/en/

3. http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sconcerns/natality/natmethods.htm

4. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html

5. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_32701.pdf

6. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

7. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1095_03302001_030000T.PDF

8. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html

9. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_3502.pdf

10. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

11. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1662_04042002_014000T.pdf

12. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

13. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85

14. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

15. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=


2 posted on 08/17/2008 4:04:29 PM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Renfield

Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg

CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

Jill Stanek on Obama and Infant Born Alive Protection Act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html


3 posted on 08/17/2008 4:05:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Renfield
You can tell Barack Obama knows he has a problem when he starts lying about his record, and the lie is readily disprovable.

Exactly. I'm tellin' ya, push this issue and with the facts to back it up and he will come UNGLUED. Team McCain - HERE IS THE OPENING. A smart, well-put-together national ad, leading off with Obama claiming these folks are liars, then hammer away with the evidence. Game. Set. Match.
4 posted on 08/17/2008 4:08:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Joiseydude

Here’s the “QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP”
lie from the transcript;

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt

1 AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP,

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Me Again,
Where did those question come up, Senator Obama? Trinity?

Example: Joe Bidens observations;

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1204594.aspx

On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his “Johnny-come-lately position” on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didn’t ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.


5 posted on 08/17/2008 4:09:48 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Joiseydude

Extensive research - impressed and convinced. That answer BHO gave yesterday was cold and bureacratic - what’s he’s REALLY like.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 4:10:30 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: F15Eagle

Here’s the “QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP”
lie from the transcript;

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt

1 AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP,

**
**
Me Again,
Where did those question come up, Senator Obama? Trinity?

Example: Joe Bidens observations;

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1204594.aspx

On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his “Johnny-come-lately position” on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didn’t ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 4:12:43 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: F15Eagle

That’s just it, Obama never was engaged in the issue, yet he claims questions ‘kept coming up’, and the Biden earlier posted comment shows Obama questions weren’t ‘coming up’ in the Senate at that time.

Comments about Obama being ‘intellectual’ and ‘thoughtful’ are void of reality. Obama embellished, lied.

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More evidence Obama has Attention Deficit, from;

What is Compulsive Lying?

By Derek Wood, RN, BC, MS
Clinical Content Director
Get Mental Help, Inc.
Mental Health Matters
Mental Health Professional
Psychiatric Nurse, PhD Candidate

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=153

There are a number of reasons that people lie. The first is fear. This is the most common reason that people may lie, and they are taking shelter from a perceived punishment. It may be because they know they have done something wrong a single time, in which case it is not compulsive lying.

But if they are always in fear of being punished, it may become a habit, which is a second reason for lying. In this case, it may become compulsive lying, which is lying by reflex. Even when confronted by the truth, they insist the lie is the truth in this case.

A third case is learning to lie through modeling. When a people see others lie, especially when they get away with it, they may become more prone to lying.

Finally, people lie because they feel if they tell the truth they won’t get what they want. Thus, out of the main reasons for lying, only lying by habit can truly be called “compulsive lying.”

Increased lying has been seen with a number of psychiatric diagnoses such as ADHD and Bipolar Disorder. With ADHD people will often say “I don’t know why I did that”, and when confronted about why they lied, their answer will be the same.

ADHD children also display impulsivity, and they may lie implusively. Bipolar Disorder can be associated with low serotonin levels, which has been implicated in impulsivity, which, as indicated before, makes a person more prone to lie.


8 posted on 08/17/2008 4:12:51 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Son House
Osamaobama never learned the difference between lying and telling the truth.

His mother didn't give a fat rats ass about teaching the bastard any morals and by the time he was living with his "typical white grandmother" he was so far gone on drugs and his hatred for half of his own existence, that it was too late to instill any real moral values in him.

It's so sad that a person with his intellect is so twisted.

9 posted on 08/17/2008 4:53:53 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Renfield

I might start to think that perhaps the media isn’t completely lost if just one of them would confront Obama on his lies. Why lie about something that can be proven as a lie? It is a filed document that can’t be altered! DUH! Also when he said last night that the “hardest thing he ever had to do was vote against the Iraq War”, excuse me Senator Obama but you were not a Senator yet when that vote was passed prior to Jan. 2005 when you took your seat there.


10 posted on 08/17/2008 5:01:58 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Renfield
When asked the question last night about what the candidates saw as the biggest failing of the country, Obama went into an answer designed to align with the Evangelical vote -

He brought up that we should be following the admonition of what is said in the Bible about: "as ye do unto the least of these, my children.”

What?

This cries out for an ad with side by side clips of him saying this and then his total commitment to abortion on all levels...and his record of almost 100 votes supporting abortion against McCain's ZERO votes.

Then of course there was the remark about Clarence Thomas, with an impressive resume, by the way, as being not experienced enough for such a high position.

Ah, look in the mirror time, BO?

11 posted on 08/17/2008 5:08:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: Renfield

The great moral failing of the country: “WHATEVER YOU DO FOR THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS, YOU DO FOR ME.”

I wonder if Senator Obama gave any thought when quoting this passage to the unborn who have lost their lives to abortion? Or to those who survived abortion but were left to die under the kind of infanticide he believes is legal?

I wish Rev. Warren had followed up on this one.


12 posted on 08/17/2008 5:28:51 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Renfield

I am glad this article has all of the original documents and Obama’s angry explanation on video within it.

Here’s what I am getting:

Obama liked and voted for the additional amendment to the state bill that added that nothing in this bill affects a child who is not yet born. But even with that amendment passed, bipartisanly, Obama voted with all of his fellow Democrats AGAINST the bill itself, which would have forced all medical professionals to perform life saving care to anyone born.

Now he is calling people who say he has an “infanticide problem” LIARS. But the only reason he gives that makes any sense is that there apparently was already a law in Illinois mandating care for newborns. Yet since nurses were witnessing live children being tossed aside as garbage because they were not wanted, obviously the first law (which, for all I know, is something extremely general and not written specifically to include abortion survivors) was not adequate.

And he then pulls all the doctors in Illinois around him as shields. Not an effective argument.

I think he does have an infanticide problem. It’s probably because he realizes his voters and wife are VERY committed to protecting abortion at all costs.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 5:58:08 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Joiseydude

This is what I meant to post the first time;

Obama chooses death for Babies, over ”PROBABLY” crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality,

State of Illinois
92nd General Assembly
Regular Session
Senate Transcript March 30, 2001

Page 87

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 6:28:48 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Renfield
No way can anyone who supports pro-life principles vote for Obama!

Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Obama's Christian Creds Vs. Abortion and Infanticide

Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

15 posted on 08/17/2008 6:34:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Son House
This is what I meant to post the first time

Thank you, I've edited my list to include the quote of Obama's that you posted.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 7:15:07 PM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude

Thank you too, your doing a lot of work to be sure America is the home of the free.


17 posted on 08/17/2008 7:34:32 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Renfield

Renfield! Renfield!

(always wanted to do that since “Love at First Bite”!

bump


18 posted on 08/18/2008 12:06:19 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (About Obama: "Overinflated balloons pop suddenly and catastrophically." - Bill Dupray)
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