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Coastal towns doomed by rising sea [UK Environment Agency]
The Times ^ | 8/18/2008 | Sarah Knapton

Posted on 08/17/2008 7:13:03 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

People living on some stretches of coastline will be forced to abandon their homes and move inland as sea levels rise, the new head of the Environment Agency has warned.

Lord Smith of Finsbury said plans need to be drawn up to evacuate people from large stretches which are threatened by erosion.

Work is already under way to identify parts of the south and east coast which are most threatened and Lord Smith said there would be hard decisions to be made about which areas to defend and which to allow the sea to reclaim.

"This is the most difficult issue we are going to face as an agency," he said, "We know the sea is eating away at the coast in quite a number of places, primarily on the east and south coasts.

"We are almost certainly not going to be able to defend absolutely every bit of coast – it would be simply and impossible task both in financial and engineering terms."

The coastlines of Norfolk and Suffolk have been identified as facing the most immediate danger.

But Lord Smith promised to do his "level best" to defend communities if engineering solutions could be found to save significant numbers of properties.

He said the Government could no longer rely on insurance companies to cover families who have lost their homes and said they should be rehoused at taxpayer's expense.

Lord Smith also criticised the building a third runway at Heathrow and plans for more coal-fuelled power stations.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: climatechange; coastalenvironment; environment

1 posted on 08/17/2008 7:13:03 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Oh! Geez! How much longer do we have to listen to this nonsense?


2 posted on 08/17/2008 7:16:06 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: bruinbirdman
People living on some stretches of coastline will be forced to abandon their homes and move inland as sea levels rise, the new head of the Environment Agency has warned. Lord Smith of Finsbury said plans need to be drawn up to evacuate people from large stretches which are threatened by erosion.

Which is it, rising seas or erosion (falling land)? It's hard to get past an ambiguous premise.

3 posted on 08/17/2008 7:17:22 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: bruinbirdman

Puhleeze. This is hysterical baloney.

If the seas are higher in Europe, and water seeks its own level, the sea level would be higher here in NJ, NY, Pennsylvania, Maryland.....

I’ve been down to the Jersey Shore multiple times this year, and the very same spots I go fishing and crabbing are exactly the same level they were last year, and the year before, and year before..... as the tide goes in and out, that is.

The other thing that puts the Kabosh on these global warming nuts is the fact that as an ice cube melts in a glass of water, the aggregate level does not rise, because the ice cube shrinks as it melts, there for making more space for the liquid.

Same principle that would affect the oceans as they relate to the ice caps.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 7:18:29 PM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: bruinbirdman
People living on some stretches of coastline will be forced to abandon their homes and move inland as sea levels rise, the new head of the Environment Agency has warned.

Lord Smith of Finsbury said plans need to be drawn up to evacuate people from large stretches which are threatened by erosion.

The headline is misleading. The sea is not rising. The land is sinking (eroding).

5 posted on 08/17/2008 7:30:47 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: bruinbirdman

apparently, global warming is so incredibly insidious that can raise sea levels near villages in Alaska, Vanuutu and the UK but not raise them in France, Africa, Florida or Japan.

Sneaky, sneaky stuff that global warming. No wonder we can’t seem to prove that it exists or how it really works. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the global warming actually tried to trick us by making the globe cooler for a few decades to throw us off it’s track. Just can’t trust global warming. Can’t trust it at all!


6 posted on 08/17/2008 7:31:41 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 2008)
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To: bruinbirdman
I think they should draw up plans should the sea level fall. Ports will need to be relocated, channels dredged deeper, beach erosion will change.

Why assume a constant sea level? It has changed hundreds of meters sine 12,000 or so years ago (look up Doggerland, or any number of land bridges. Long Island Sound was a valley, Florida was 3x its current size, much of the Gulf was inhabited because the beach was a hundred miles from its current location).

If we are to survive the near term, 20,000 years or so, we must look to past climate change over the same timescale and figure out how to deal with it should it recur, and also put aside a bit for unknown changes.

Assuming that now is just like it always has been will lead to gross failure.

Remember one of Gary Larson's cartoons, “Grog- Ice closer today?”

7 posted on 08/17/2008 7:34:45 PM PDT by DBrow
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This is all so reminiscent of Edgar Cayce, maybe that is why so much of it is a big turnoff to me. Yes, I once read every book about him I could get my hands on, and that was back in the 60's-70's. And he died in 1945, so much of this kind of thinking has been around for awhile. All that was needed was some repackaging.

I repented of messing up my mind with ideas like this.

Some of it is bound to happen given enough time and the natural ebb and flow of climactic conditions. Has Atlantis risen yet? What about the lost continent of Mu in the Pacific? All those alleged healings? All those supposed past life readings?

There are many with seemingly extraordinary occult powers. That I don't doubt. Just beware of the possible source of those powers. Somewhere it is said, and not in jest, something to the effect that the Devil will give you many truths if he can just get you to believe one lie.

Some things may very well come to pass, just as many things have been hidden for centuries because of the shifting sands of time.

8 posted on 08/17/2008 7:43:29 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: bruinbirdman

Lord Smith should consider his and England’s good fortune. Wouldn’t the Dutch need rescue operations long before anyone else was at risk.

PS, can you cite the author of the scientific paper you are using to support your doom and gloom forecast?


9 posted on 08/17/2008 7:53:16 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Edit35
"Same principle that would affect the oceans as they relate to the ice caps."

You convinced me. I have changed my mind. Rising oceans is bogus propaganda.

yitbos

10 posted on 08/17/2008 8:08:55 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bpjam
"I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the global warming actually tried to trick us by making the globe cooler for a few decades to throw us off it’s track. Just can’t trust global warming. Can’t trust it at all!"

I thought this cooling trend was a result of the global efforts to reduce warming. We must keep up the efforts.

Why is there less smog in Los Angeles Basin than 20 years ago?

Why are there now fish in the Cuyahoga River when there were none 30 years ago?

yitbos

11 posted on 08/17/2008 8:15:01 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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There was a time a few thousand years ago when a hardy soul could walk from Paris to London on dry land. “Global warming” after the last ice age caused ocean levels to rise and the English Channel to fill with water from melting glaciers. When the next ice age arrives it will probably dry up again. The cycle has been repeated many times.


12 posted on 08/17/2008 8:30:24 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Edit35

Ice caps?

That depends. One must differentiate between seasonal sea ice and the continental glaciation of Greenland and Antarctica. The great ice shelves of the latter are already floating so they don’t count, but if the vast stretches of ice on the land were to melt, yes, it would raise things.

The funniest part is how the MSM and the usual suspects go into fibrillation whenever a massive tabular berg breaks off the Larsen or Ross ice shelves. Then it’s the end of the world. Ice calving off Alaskan glaciers is still good for doomsday footage, of course.

You see Greenland and Antarctica melt down, you let me know.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 9:29:54 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Aliska

The problem with ol’ Edgar Cayce’s predictions is that they were supposed to get underway beginning in 1968. By now, according to his timetable, a whole buttload of catastrophic events should already have happened.

However, we never seem to hear about all those earth-shattering predictions of his that never came about.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 9:34:30 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: bruinbirdman

Where’s the guy with the “OMG!” “ONOZ!” animation?


15 posted on 08/17/2008 9:55:18 PM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: DBrow
Remember one of Gary Larson's cartoons, “Grog- Ice closer today?”

An even better panel of Larson's is "Never put your tongue on a glacier", as it highlights an unfortunate event that is far more likely to occur than the doomsday scenarios that these kooks constantly spew.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 10:01:33 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Is this projected to occur over the next 1000 years? Certainly not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. Most silly alarmism.
17 posted on 08/17/2008 10:31:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bernard Marx; All
Perhaps the folks in Southport would like the water to rise a little bit....

Their pier is often high and dry, even though it is 3600 ft long...:^)


18 posted on 08/17/2008 11:01:37 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: bruinbirdman; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 08/18/2008 2:02:13 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: bruinbirdman

No sweat, our super nancy is going to save the planet in 2 or 3 days.


20 posted on 08/18/2008 2:23:56 AM PDT by Waco (Him Mac....69..Burma bound.)
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To: sinanju
However, we never seem to hear about all those earth-shattering predictions of his that never came about.

So very true. So many of us just using our intellect and intuition given certain trends could make 10 predictions, based on global events as we observe them now, and it is likely that some of them would come true.

Even assuming that GW warming has some truth to it, would that necessarily all be a bad thing? What if whole new territories opened up in the Arctic, Greenland, Siberia and Antarctica, other places in the world currently uninhabitable?

There would be huge power grabs over it shutting ordinary people out. Of that I am reasonably certain.

21 posted on 08/18/2008 7:59:47 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: bruinbirdman

That’s funny. Like we have the ability to actually change the temperature of the planet. That’s a good one.

But what the hell does 70s LA smog and old fish in Ohio have to do with religion?

(Boulder City - an great example of local gov being the best gov)


22 posted on 08/19/2008 12:18:58 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 2008)
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You convinced me. I have changed my mind. Rising oceans is bogus propaganda.

Are there any coastal towns currently under water right now due to rising oceans?

Has the ocean risen at all the past few years?

I don't mean the past 300 years, or 3000 years. I mean the past few years when "man-made" global warming supposedly went into affect.

23 posted on 08/20/2008 4:38:53 AM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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