Skip to comments.William Ayers, Model Citizen? The Obama campaign’s lame defense.
Posted on 08/18/2008 5:17:56 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
The Obama campaigns response to Jerome Corsis book about Senator Barack Obama makes clear that they are determined to delegitimize even legitimate criticisms of the senator by mixing them up with smears. Even mainstream journalists have noted that their rebuttal document at times employs risible arguments and overreaches in attempting to defend certain aspects of Senator Obamas career.
One example is the defense of Obamas relationship to William Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn two unrepentant former members of the domestic left-wing terror movement known as the Weathermen.
Amazingly, instead of disowning Ayers which would make a lot more sense Obamas rebuttal document defends the man who implicated himself in terror bombings in his own 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days. The document calls it a lie that Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist and that the impression of Ayerss good citizenship is incorrect. It attempts, with endorsements from Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley and two university professors, to make the case that Ayers is really a model citizen.
A model citizen at least if you overlook the sworn congressional testimony that ties Ayers to a murder.
Ayers and Dohrn were credibly accused, in classified testimony before a Senate subcommittee in 1974, of involvement in the murder of a police officer in San Francisco, as well as an attempted (and unsuccessful) anti-personnel bombing in Detroit. It is an aspect of Ayers story that the mainstream media has completely ignored and even covered up.
Ayers and Dohrn were never prosecuted for their alleged involvement in Weatherman terrorism because of government misconduct in gathering evidence against them. But Ayers has freely admitted to involvement in Weatherman bomb plots, and he has said he does not regret planting bombs. Ayers has defended his actions, arguing, The reason we werent terrorists is that we did not commit random acts of terror against people.
But Larry Grathwohl, an FBI mole within the Weathermen, connected Ayers to the planning and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, to the execution of a police station bombing in San Francisco in February 1970 that killed one officer and injured two others.
Grathwohl testified that Ayers had discussed the deadly incident after the fact. The revelation came as Ayers was talking about the organizational difficulties in running a terrorist cell:
[H]e cited as one of the real problems that someone like Bernardine Dohrn had to plan, develop, and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco, and he specifically named her as the person that committed that act. . . . He said that the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the kind of bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it. . . . [I]f he wasnt there to see it, somebody who was there told him about it, because he stated it very emphatically.
Grathwohl also testified about an unsuccessful Weatherman bombing in Detroit, which he said Ayers had planned to be executed when the maximum number of people would be present:
The only time that I was ever instructed or we were ever instructed to place a bomb in a building at a time when there would be people in it was during the planning of the bombing at the Detroit Police Officers Association building and the 13th precinct in Detroit, Mich., at which time Bill said that we should plan our bombing to coincide with the time when there would be the most people in those buildings Grathwohl tipped off police to this latter plot, and they cleared the area. When they finally found the Detroit bomb, it was unexploded. It contained 13 sticks of dynamite with an M-80 firecracker to detonate them, along with a burnt-out cigarette.
The only thing Bill didnt take into consideration in making his bomb, Grathwohl testified, was the fact that these wicks, those fuses on those firecrackers are waterproof with heavy paraffin, and a cigarette burning by itself does not always have enough heat to melt that paraffin and light the powder. And I didnt volunteer any information to the contrary. Grathwohl did not know who had actually planted the bomb.
The wide-ranging testimony first brought to my attention by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media, which I subsequently found on file in the Library of Congress appears to be very credible. In covering the controversy over Bill Ayers, the mainstream media has so far pretended it does not exist.
It would be irresponsible and wrong to assert that Sen. Obama is somehow guilty by association of anything Ayers or Dohrn have done, or that he has any sympathy toward terrorism. He does not. Obama was only a child when these events occurred.
But the senators choice to associate with domestic terrorists evinces an appalling lack of personal judgment that is part of a broad pattern in his adult life.
This argument is extremely easy to make, given Obamas many, many choices to build relationships that are most charitably described as problematic. By what criteria does a man choose his friends and associates and end up with the likes of Tony Rezko, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and Bill Ayers? Given that he had a choice of political allies, why would he align himself with and endorse in elections the worst perpetrators of Chicagos crooked machine politics? Why would he choose as campaign and outreach advisors two men (Robert Malley and Mazen Asbahi) who have since had to resign over alleged ties to Hamas, as well as others who advocate reparations for slavery (Charles Ogletree) and praise Hugo Chavez as a champion of democracy in Venezuela (Cornel West)?
Given his lack of judgment, what sort of nominations can we expect a President Obama to make? What kind of diplomacy will he conduct when he meets without precondition with leaders of terror-sponsoring states? Diplomacy consists largely in making personal judgments about other people and their character and intentions precisely the sort of judgments Obama has shown he is incapable of making.
These are legitimate questions, and the Obama research teams shoddy arguments do not answer them.
David Freddoso is a staff reporter for National Review Online. This essay is adapted from his newly released book, The Case Against Barack Obama.
Corsi is busily digging a hole for Obama.
Obama's staff is digging the hole even deeper.
A: They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.
Author Corsi bashing by writers using certain knocks is starting to make him look legit for the enemies he makes.
I bought the book on my way home from work last Friday.
I didn’t get a chance to start it until last night, late, so I’ve only completed the first chapter. Just based on that, Obama comes off as a delusional liar.
I so not want a(nother) delusional liar as my president.
You have to understand the liberal mindset. Most of the public is not going to do what Freepers do. There is not going to be a lot of analysis of the charges or the refutations. Obama’s camp just wants to do what Kerry’s camp did four years ago—claim that the attacks were scurrilous and politically motivated and that the authors had been refuted.
While it is true that Kerry’s rebuttal did not help him enough to enable him to win the election, he did the best he could with the facts that existed. Clearly, Kerry was not the war hero he claimed to be, wasn’t wounded the way he said he was, wasn’t in the places he claimed to have been in, wasn’t sent there by the (republican) president he said sent him there. His entire war record was one big lie. Given that, his only choice was to attempt to smear the “swiftboaters,’ and, to that end, he was relatively successful. Indeed, the very term “swiftboating” has now passed into our lexicon with the perverted meaning of “smear” instead of “bringing out the truth.”
The next step for Obama will be softball interviews on The Today Show, Larry King, and/or some other liberal venue. The questions to him will be along the lines of: “Senator, now that the charges have been refuted, what can you say about the swiftboat attack on you that was orchestrated by the right-wing conspiracy?”
“Well, Larry (or Chris, or whoever), it’s what we’ve come to expect from them. I’m just here to work for the American people and hope they overlook these disgraceful, discredited charges, and give me a chance to bring hope and change to our citizens. Blah, blah, blah.”
Murder??? The Democrats would let a little thing like murder admit impediment??? What a screech!
And note tagline.
"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obamas circle: The same old America-hating Left
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. Obama served on the board with [Bill] Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.
Article: Obama worked with terrorist
Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence:
"They're certainly friendly" -quote from 'Obama's chief strategist (and reigning expert on Chicago's political tribes), David Axelrod,' on the Bill Ayers, Obama relationship.
From Sept 11, 2001, New York Times article/interview with Obama associate and friend, William/Bill Ayers.
Article title: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
"During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century."
"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:
'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:
ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."
The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s Weather Underground, Americas first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.
"I dont regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didnt do enough."
In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.
Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt her signature uniform Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."
Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victims stomach! Wild!"
Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.
His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Associations governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern Universitys Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/BernardineDohrn/]
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference
[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]
April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
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I agree that most people will not or do not do the amount of fact checking that FReepers engage in. But I also know many FReepers have a habit of sending email snippets to their friends regarding a great posting or commentary they read on FR.
The internet is truly creating a more level playing field in the political arena.
So I encourage those who regularly read and post on FR to take the time and clip a really good commentary or phrase and email it to a friend you know is likeminded but does not take the time to read a lot.
Yes! At best! But that's not all that it evinces!
Oh, David, you are too charitable--or too fainthearted!
It also evinces an appalling sympathy with terrorists and with terrorism on the part of Barack Obama! And THIS in addition to an appalling lack of personal judgment!
Do not mince what you are trying to say, David!
"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!
"Imperialism. Im against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolutiona revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good must win.
We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.
'Guilty as hell, free as a birdAmerica is a great country,' he [Ayers] said."
August 2001, Chicago Magazine (article: No Regrets)
I just read this article by Eugene Robinson and it makes me so mad. He is drinking the kool aid and trying to convince everyone that Corsi is some kind of right wind nut and that all of the information about John Kerry has been discredited but too late etc. He even says this book “The Obama Nation” is only number one because of all the right wing book clubs buying it in bulk to drive up book sales.
As usual they are trying to smear the author rather than prove he is wrong, because they can’t.
Yep, there is Obama’s buddy, stomping on an American flag.
That is a made to order campaign ad.
Sean Hannity uses the "Kool Aid" expression a lot, but never once, that I'm aware of, ever explained where it originated, and certainly not what Jonestown and the "Peoples Temple" were actually about.
"In 1951, Jones began attending communist meetings and rallies in Indianapolis. Jones became flustered at harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings, particularly, regarding meetings between Jones and his mother with Paul Robeson. This, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones where he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church.""
"In the summer of 1977, Jones and most of the 900 members of the People's Temple moved to Guyana from San Francisco after media pressure built. Jones left the same night that an editor at New West magazine read Jones an article by Marshall Kilduff to be published detailing allegations by former Temple members. Jones named the settlement Jonestown after himself.
Jones purported to establish Jonestown as a benevolent model communist community stating, 'I believe were the purest communists there are.'  Jones' wife, Marceline, described Jonestown as "dedicated to live for socialism, total economic and racial and social equality. We are here living communally." Jones wanted to construct a model community to show others and stated that Prime Minister of Guyana Forbes Burnham 'couldnt rave enough about us, uh, the wonderful things we do, the project, the model of socialism.' In that regard, like the restrictive emigration policies of the then Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and other communist republics, Jones did not permit members to leave Jonestown.
Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-Aid) along with a sedative.
One member, Christine Miller, dissents toward the beginning of the tape. When members apparently cried, Jones counseled "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity." Jones can be heard saying, "Don't be afraid to die" and, regarding death as "just stepping over into another plane" and that "[death is] a friend." At the end of the tape, Jones concludes: "We didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world." Children were given the drink first and families were told to lie down together. The mass suicide had been discussed in simulated events called "White Nights" on a regular basis, while members drank liquid Jones first told them was poison during at least one of those White Nights.
My guess is Obama is filled with self hate which manifests itself in such associations.
Ah, attention MSM, Corsi isn't running for dog-catcher.
Excerpt..."From the moment in October, 1967, when Radio Hanoi announced the formation of the South Vietnamese Peoples Committee for Solidarity with American People (by the National Liberation Front (NLF), the political arm of the Viet Cong) with the objective of establishing relations with "progressive organizations and individuals in the United States," a political front was enjoined in behalf of the national interests of the Democratic Republic of North Vietnam (DRV) (and the NLF), the purpose of which was to intensify the anti-war sentiment in the United States"
Much more at:
I remember that so well and how completely unbelievable it was. To think a group of people could be herded to their deaths in such a fashion. I had never even wondered how the “kool aid” term came about so now I know. Thanks.
Yet, a reporter for the Post's sister publication -- Newsweek -- revealed that Kerry's campaign was unable to respond to the Swifties' "allegations" because..."most of them were true".
This report, by a reporter who had inside access to the workings of the Kerry campaign -- on the proposition that he couldn't file a story until after election day -- has since been recognized as yet another Inconvenient Truth, ignored and forgotten by the MSM.
You're welcome. Funny, how the snooze media always seems to leave out the commie connection. They did the same thing with the Patty Hearst/SLA case, The Black Panthers, The Weather Underground, Reverend Wright and his Black Liberation Theology, on and on and on. Even the so-called "right-wing media" does it. Sean Hannity, for example, never, as far as I'm aware, referred to Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground as communist, yet that is exactly what they were. He refers to them only as "domestic terrorists". He does the same thing with Rev Wright and BLT. Except for one special Friday night edition of Hannity's America, where he had on several guests who blew the lid off of it, exposing it as revolutionary Marxist, he never informs his huge audience of the truth about it. He and the other conservative talk show hosts need to be Very weird.
Oops! I meant to go back and finish this sentence but forgot. It's been a long day, I'm half asleep. I was going to say they need to be getting this information out to people (the commie connections).
The initial lie told by Obambi’s handler/promoter, David Axelrod, tells us that the Ayers/Obama connection scared the he!! out of them. Axelrod dismissed a connection as only casual, since their children went to school together they had to know of each other. Later, when Sean Hannity exposed the board the two sat on, and the ‘kick-off’ party Ayers threw for Obama when he announced his entry into politics, well the lying democrats are just being themselves, showing the disdain they have for the voters, expecting them to be too stupid to track these lies down.