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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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Time to put solid conservatives back on the board who are willing to vote for curriculum that includes scientific evidence for and against Darwin's ToE. Get out the vote, Kansans!
1 posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; metmom; Alamo-Girl; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; ...

ping!


2 posted on 08/18/2008 9:37:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

What will Kansas high school graduates do when more of the top tier American universities refuse to accept students who have been been taught science based on Creationism?


3 posted on 08/18/2008 9:43:36 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: GodGunsGuts

This seems a little pie-in-the-sky. The evolutionists will never allow falsification to be discussed openly.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 9:50:22 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


5 posted on 08/18/2008 9:50:44 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: trumandogz

==What will Kansas high school graduates do when more of the top tier American universities refuse to accept students who have been been taught science based on Creationism?

What kind of wussy quesetion is that? What would you do if a publically funded university refused to accept you because of your race, religion or political philosophy?


6 posted on 08/18/2008 9:51:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Actually, if you read the article, the margin between conservatives and moderates/liberals is so thin, the science standards have changed four times in the last eight years. Moreover, currently there is a 6-4 split on the board in favor of censoring the scientific evidence that challenges Darwin’s ToE, but there are 5 SEATS up for grabs! So in this particular case, wresting the science standards back from the libs won’t be nearly as difficult as one might think.


7 posted on 08/18/2008 10:00:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
What kind of wussy quesetion is that? What would you do if a publically funded university refused to accept you because of your race, religion or political philosophy?

You won't get far in science advocating thunder being caused by gods, nor disease caused by evil spirits.

Why do you think your personal idols and demons are any more suitable than those in a scientific setting?

8 posted on 08/18/2008 10:00:42 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
What would you do if a publically funded university refused to accept you because of your race, religion or political philosophy?

A public university could not refuse admission bases on race, religion or political philosophy however, they could deny admission if a person graduated from a high school that taught them that 2+2=7

For now, the University of California has said that it will not accept students who were taught with Creationist texts, and I would expect that University of Michigan, Texas, Wisconsin, Harvard and Yale will do or are doing the same thing. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2061218/posts

Thus, Kansas high school graduates will find themselves hitting the book at S.E. Bufford County Community College.

9 posted on 08/18/2008 10:03:48 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: GodGunsGuts
and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

Well shoot, we allow evolution into the science classroom, even though it's a bunch of question-begging, circularly-reasoned, assumptions-required, philosophical-substantiated hocus-pocus. What's the problem?

10 posted on 08/18/2008 10:07:04 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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==You won’t get far in science advocating thunder being caused by gods, nor disease caused by evil spirits.

Then how did Darwin’s RM+NS god ever find it’s way into the science classroom?


11 posted on 08/18/2008 10:07:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; Coyoteman

And how about when it is raining while the sun is shining? How does science explain that?


12 posted on 08/18/2008 10:14:05 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

==A public university could not refuse admission bases on race, religion or political philosophy however, they could deny admission if a person graduated from a high school that taught them that 2+2=7

The fact that they are teaching Darwin’s discredited “theory” means they are teaching 2+2=7 right now. If the students are also taught the scientific evidence that falisfies Darwin’s ToE, then they will be taught 2+2=4 and 2+2=7...and then the students can make up their own minds re: Darwin’s fairytale.


13 posted on 08/18/2008 10:16:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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It's not that they were taught with creationists texts, but that they weren't taught with bona fide SCIENCE texts.

I'm used to creationists' lies, however, and your distortion is par for the course. It's also curious that the people with the strongest religious faith are not at all threatened by science.

14 posted on 08/18/2008 10:16:54 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

==Well shoot, we allow evolution into the science classroom, even though it’s a bunch of question-begging, circularly-reasoned, assumptions-required, philosophical-substantiated hocus-pocus. What’s the problem?

That’s precisely what the evos fear the most—exposure!


15 posted on 08/18/2008 10:18:16 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: trumandogz

How is science “based on” anything other than the scientific process? Can science be “based on” either creationism or evolution? If so, how do the two versions of science differ? What has evolution-based science given us that any other kind of science hasn’t?

Would you prefer that those who believe in a Creator just shut up and hide in a closet?


16 posted on 08/18/2008 10:20:55 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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That’s precisely what the evos fear the most—exposure!

Yeah, that last 150 years of biology has been reaaaaal stealthy.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 10:22:17 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: GodGunsGuts

Now that you covered that. Could you please answer one more math question?

How is it that when I go hiking in the Texas Hill Country that I find 90,000,000 year old rocks on an earth that is only 5,743 years old?


18 posted on 08/18/2008 10:23:16 AM PDT by trumandogz
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“You won’t get far in science advocating thunder being caused by gods, nor disease caused by evil spirits.”

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!

Show me ONE scientist who advocates I.D. who has said anything even remotely close to this.

The facts (circumstantial as they are) that support the concept of evolution don’t come close to being on par with a mathematical certainty like 2+2=4.

Which is worse:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the laws that govern them.

With no cause the universe appeared out of no where for no reason and gave rise to sentient beings who think this is plausible.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 10:23:55 AM PDT by ks_shooter
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To: GodGunsGuts

Let the teachers decide and have educational freedom. A real open mind is not one that attempts to support one dogma or another. There are scientific studies that support the concept of ID through the study of the inherent complexity not just of biological organisms but also the universe. This would not be an issue if Scientists were not constantly trying to write atheism into Science and making stupid comments about how some such and such finding rules out the concept of God.

Society has been hurt by the idea of secular reductionism on origins not just of our species but also of our universe. I personally think it is good for people to believe themselves the product of divinity and thus aspire to that. The positives far out weigh any quaint ignorance that results and it surely is better than the bitter message that distilled calls the young to not think of themselves much better than animals. Are we surprised that they often behave worse.

Human exceptionalism I believe is important. Humanity even by the analysis of someone who sticks strictly to scientific analysis and avoids the best they can the philosophical debate can clearly see that Humanity arose under very special circumstances. It was not simple modification but radical change that resulted in modern humanity and we still do not know what caused that radical change from a strictly Scientific standpoint. We know that several groups of genes involved in the development of the complexity of human brains were the product of a “special event” and that also now the evolution of genes in human brains have slowed to a crawl. There are other interesting things. Humans have 46 chromosomes and apes have 48. It appears that in humans a special event occurred which led chromosomes to fuse.

http://www.hhmi.org/news/lahn3.html

There is no reason for scientists to take such a hostile view to human exceptionalism. If they did not take such extreme views not supported by the evidence in an attempt to purge a God they see in a negative light then the current battle in schools and society would not be such a divisive one. They can no more disprove God than a fool can blot out the sun by putting a bucket over his head and it is not their job to do such a thing. Their job is to present their findings and leave it at that not to prove an atheist dogma or a religious dogma. Yet I can not count the times I’ve seen them go off telling evolutionary stories as if to provide some primer on atheism to young minds.

That said I do not see any great threat from belief in a creator. The foundations of all the modern sciences were the result of the pursuits of mostly religious men. Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Bacon and on and on all managed to make scientific progress all while to their deaths holding a belief in a Creator. People of faith can always take comfort that people of much greater intellect and study than they were believers and are believers.


20 posted on 08/18/2008 10:25:37 AM PDT by Maelstorm (John McCain is ready to be commander in chief)
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