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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: ReignOfError

You mean 150 years of Darwin’s ReignOfError? I quite agree, it’s time to pull Darwin’s discredited theory down and reopen the debate re: origins/biological change.


21 posted on 08/18/2008 10:27:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: trumandogz

==How is it that when I go hiking in the Texas Hill Country that I find 90,000,000 year old rocks on an earth that is only 5,743 years old?

You sound very confused. The rocks are either one or the other.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 10:28:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Theo
Would you prefer that those who believe in a Creator just shut up and hide in a closet?

Simply because I accept Evolution as fact does not mean that I am an atheist. I also understand that the School House and Church House have two very different functions and I would prefer what is taught in your church not be taught in school.

Moreover, I would prefer that my kid's be educated with a science curriculum that will not bar them from being accepted in America's top universities.

23 posted on 08/18/2008 10:31:13 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Maelstorm

Very well said. And it should also be noted that it is the Temple of Darwin who fears a presentation of the evidence on both sides, not the other way around.


24 posted on 08/18/2008 10:31:58 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, how old are the rocks on earth?

Less than 10,000 years old or millions or billions of years old?


25 posted on 08/18/2008 10:33:06 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Rudder; GodGunsGuts
they weren't taught with bona fide SCIENCE texts.

Oh, and we know how great those are.

26 posted on 08/18/2008 10:36:20 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: trumandogz

==Less than 10,000 years old or millions or billions of years old?

I believe the rocks are less than 10,000 years old. And scientists who hold to this position should be allowed to present the evidence in support of a young earth and the evidence that falsifies an old earth. And the scientists on the opposite side of the debate should be allowed to do the exact same thing.


27 posted on 08/18/2008 10:37:31 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: trumandogz

If a Creator exists, then He indeed created “all this.” In fact, in truth, historically and otherwise. And such truth should be taught in both school house and church house.

Do you advocate, then, that those who believe in a Creator should not be accepted “in America’s top universities”? Do you believe in the existence of a Creator, but deny that He ever actually truly created anything?

Truth is truth.


28 posted on 08/18/2008 10:45:05 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Do you believe that man and dinosaur walked the earth at the same time?


29 posted on 08/18/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Sorry, but I replied to you when intended to address a “creationist.”


30 posted on 08/18/2008 10:46:34 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Coyoteman; valkyry1
"You won't get far in science advocating thunder being caused by gods, nor disease caused by evil spirits."

But apparently you can claim to have a PhD and advocate aliens coming to earth to create life, humans discovering time travel to go back and create themselves and any other wacky notion you can come up with.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2061218/posts?page=650#650

31 posted on 08/18/2008 10:50:35 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: trumandogz

Yes I do. Do you believe that random chance plus natural selection created all life on earth?


32 posted on 08/18/2008 10:52:15 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Theo
Do you advocate, then, that those who believe in a Creator should not be accepted “in America’s top universities”

Under no circumstances should a person be denied admission into a university based on his faith. However, a university does the right to deny a person admission if their high school curriculum does not meet the admission their admission standards.

Therefore, an Alabama Bible college can deny admission to a person whose high school science background is based on evolution and Harvard and Yale can deny admission to a student whose high school science background is based on creationism.

33 posted on 08/18/2008 10:53:04 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh, there “are no scientists” on the other side of the debate.

The evo/atheist/billions of years crowd defines them as “not scientists”, avoiding, therefore, any need to address the debate.

In dating rocks, what ASSUMPTIONS are made, fellas?
Are those assumptions valid? Do you know the starting conditions, absolutely?


34 posted on 08/18/2008 10:54:59 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: trumandogz
Alabama Bible college can deny admission to a person whose high school science background is based on evolution

The guns of govt through the court system and instigated by the ACLU would prevent this.

Harvard and Yale can deny admission to a student whose high school science background is based on creationism.

Ironically, these institutions wouldn't exist without creation believing Christians.

35 posted on 08/18/2008 10:56:54 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: GodGunsGuts
And scientists who hold to this position should be allowed to present the evidence in support of a young earth and the evidence that falsifies an old earth. And the scientists on the opposite side of the debate should be allowed to do the exact same thing.

The issue has been debated and settled.

(Your side lost. You guys are worse than Al Gore! "Just one more recount, pretty please!")

36 posted on 08/18/2008 10:58:36 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GourmetDan

Evolutionist wacky hypotheses bump!

And remember folks, Coyoteman says that TOE works equally well under any of those scenarios.


37 posted on 08/18/2008 11:01:39 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: GodGunsGuts
What kind of wussy quesetion is that?

You go get 'em tiger. The ACLU could use the money. Kansas has more than Dover.

38 posted on 08/18/2008 11:02:31 AM PDT by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts

All I know is that as a child when I watched the Flintstone’s I knew it was fiction.

As for what force or entity tipped over the first domino which led to the current array of life on earth, I will never be wise enough to know. However, I do know that what ever those forces were it all began billions of years ago.


39 posted on 08/18/2008 11:03:02 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: GodGunsGuts
I believe the rocks are less than 10,000 years old. And scientists who hold to this position should be allowed to present the evidence in support of a young earth and the evidence that falsifies an old earth. And the scientists on the opposite side of the debate should be allowed to do the exact same thing.

Is there any evidence they haven't been allowed to present?

40 posted on 08/18/2008 11:04:23 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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