I spent many continuous hours in Descent.
Descent II and III as well.
Posted on 08/18/2008 10:12:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is harshly accusing a pro-life group of "lying" about his record on abortion as a Illinois state senator, despite compelling evidence on the pro-lifers' side.
Obama made the aggressive attack when Christian Broadcasting Network Senior National Correspondent David Brody asked Obama about documentation the National Right to Life Committee recently obtained of a 2003 committee vote on “born alive” legislation that would have required medical officials to give life-saving care to babies who survived abortion.
Obama has said again and again he voted against versions of that bill as an Illinois state senator because it did not include language to protect Roe v. Wade, as the federal version did which sailed through the U.S. Senate 98-0. The committee report, however, shows a 10-0 vote in favor of an amendment to add the same language to protect abortion rights that was added to the federal bill. That same committee report subsequently shows Obama voting the kill the bill in a "final action" vote.
The committee report is also verified by an Associated Press story.
“There was some literature put out by the National Right to Life Committee,” Brody told Obama in an interview that took place Saturday night. “And they’re basically saying they felt like you misrepresented your position on that bill.”
Obama said the NRLC “have not been telling the truth” and launched into some of the most vicious language he’s ever used against his opponents. “And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying,” he lectured.
“It defies common sense and it defies imagination and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive and it's an example of the kind of politics that we have to get beyond,” Obama said. “It's one thing for people to disagree with me about the issue of choice; it's another thing for people to out and out misrepresent my positions repeatedly, even after they know that they're wrong. And that's what's been happening.”
Brody published a video of the interview on CBN.
Douglas Johnson, NRLC’s legislative director wants Obama to apologize to his group or prove the documents they obtained are erroneous. Obama must “either declare the newly discovered documents to be forgeries and call for an investigation of the forgery, or admit that he had misrepresented his record on the live-born infants legislation (not just once, but for four years), and apologize to those he's called liars," Johnson told Townhall in an email.
“We don't have an apology yet,” Johnson said.
An Obama spokeswoman, Hari Sevugan, grudgingly admitted Obama had indeed voted against the bill in committee to the New York Sun Monday. She said Obama voted against it because he wasn't convinced the bill would not be used to undermine abortion rights in the state of Illinois.
Johnson said brushed off Sevugan's explanation. "The newest line is also not consistent with Obama's oft-stated excuse for opposing the state legislation, and fails to explain his four years of misrepresentation," he said. "Nor does the Sun story indicate that the Obama campaign has issued any apology to NRLC, Bill Bennett, or the others who Senator Obama and his campaign have been calling liars for saying what they now admit was the truth."
Like the NRLC, conservative radio host Bill Bennett was attacked by the Obama campaign earlier this year for discussing Obama's record on born alive legislation.
Pro-lifers believe Obama’s 2003 vote would surely hurt him among social conservatives and evangelicals who may consider supporting him in November. Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said “there's no doubt” Obama supported “infanticide” by voting this bill down in committee.
“This is a radical position,” he told a small group of reporters at FRC's Washington headquarters Monday morning.
LOL...now that’s the truth!
not guilty
Liberals in Russia used to have to rewrite their Encyclopedia every so often as the facts and events of the past changed to accord with New Truth. In this benighted country it is not so easy to rewrite the chronicles when past events change.
The Alien movies are the pro-aborts view of pregnancy and child birth.
Red heads drive me crazy. The best times in my life were when I was seeing a red head. Unfortunately they were also the worse times in my life...red hot hair and red hot tempers.
I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny.Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. …
I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.
I will NOT forget and many others won't either. The media will try to be surprised when Obama is sent home. Americans don't like to be lied to, even though you can fool liberals almost ALL the time.
50% to 90% of Americans do NOT believe the Warren Commission's finding that one shooter killed President Kennedy. They think there was a high level conspiracy, and they're right.
The MEDIA got mad when they found out that a large percentage of Americans think that Iraq was involved with terorism and 9/11, even after MSM told us repeatedly that Iraq was NOT involved. American are right about that too.
The gov't can LIE about what it wants to lie about & the media falls in line with whatever the powers need to tell us.
By the way, LBJ killed Kennedy.
Really Barry. Really?
Barry I would confidently compare the integrity of any Pro-Lifer to be far better than yours.
No we know we are not perfect. But I think Pro-Lifers are more honest, more Godly, more compassionate, more Patriotic, more humane. Barry, Pro-Lifers are better than you in every way that matters.
Just let a liberal try to abort me!
The logic in his statement is clear. The only reason he is giving for not wanting to give personhood status to the unborn is that it would end abortions. Nothing about whether an unborn human is a person. Nothing about whether an unborn human should be a person. Nothing about morals or ethics. It is all based on what he says the Constitution says about personhood. And the Constitution says nothing at all about what defines personhood so his premise is without merit. That is the most vacuous argument that could be made.
This is a well researched, fair and legitimate criticism of Obama, that should be repeated often. He should put up as requested or apologize to pro-lifers.
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