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Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
Townhall ^ | August 18, 2008 | Amanda Carpenter

Posted on 08/18/2008 10:12:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is harshly accusing a pro-life group of "lying" about his record on abortion as a Illinois state senator, despite compelling evidence on the pro-lifers' side.

Obama made the aggressive attack when Christian Broadcasting Network Senior National Correspondent David Brody asked Obama about documentation the National Right to Life Committee recently obtained of a 2003 committee vote on “born alive” legislation that would have required medical officials to give life-saving care to babies who survived abortion.

Obama has said again and again he voted against versions of that bill as an Illinois state senator because it did not include language to protect Roe v. Wade, as the federal version did which sailed through the U.S. Senate 98-0. The committee report, however, shows a 10-0 vote in favor of an amendment to add the same language to protect abortion rights that was added to the federal bill. That same committee report subsequently shows Obama voting the kill the bill in a "final action" vote.

The committee report is also verified by an Associated Press story.

“There was some literature put out by the National Right to Life Committee,” Brody told Obama in an interview that took place Saturday night. “And they’re basically saying they felt like you misrepresented your position on that bill.”

Obama said the NRLC “have not been telling the truth” and launched into some of the most vicious language he’s ever used against his opponents. “And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying,” he lectured.

“It defies common sense and it defies imagination and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive and it's an example of the kind of politics that we have to get beyond,” Obama said. “It's one thing for people to disagree with me about the issue of choice; it's another thing for people to out and out misrepresent my positions repeatedly, even after they know that they're wrong. And that's what's been happening.”

Brody published a video of the interview on CBN.

Douglas Johnson, NRLC’s legislative director wants Obama to apologize to his group or prove the documents they obtained are erroneous. Obama must “either declare the newly discovered documents to be forgeries and call for an investigation of the forgery, or admit that he had misrepresented his record on the live-born infants legislation (not just once, but for four years), and apologize to those he's called liars," Johnson told Townhall in an email.

“We don't have an apology yet,” Johnson said.

An Obama spokeswoman, Hari Sevugan, grudgingly admitted Obama had indeed voted against the bill in committee to the New York Sun Monday. She said Obama voted against it because he wasn't convinced the bill would not be used to undermine abortion rights in the state of Illinois.

Johnson said brushed off Sevugan's explanation. "The newest line is also not consistent with Obama's oft-stated excuse for opposing the state legislation, and fails to explain his four years of misrepresentation," he said. "Nor does the Sun story indicate that the Obama campaign has issued any apology to NRLC, Bill Bennett, or the others who Senator Obama and his campaign have been calling liars for saying what they now admit was the truth."

Like the NRLC, conservative radio host Bill Bennett was attacked by the Obama campaign earlier this year for discussing Obama's record on born alive legislation.

Pro-lifers believe Obama’s 2003 vote would surely hurt him among social conservatives and evangelicals who may consider supporting him in November. Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said “there's no doubt” Obama supported “infanticide” by voting this bill down in committee.

“This is a radical position,” he told a small group of reporters at FRC's Washington headquarters Monday morning.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; bornalive; cbn; democrats; election; electionpresident; elections; infanticide; moralabsolutes; nobama08; nrlc; obama; prolife; saddleback
Just when you think he can't go any lower...
1 posted on 08/18/2008 10:12:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wouldn’t you agree that after Obama’s performance in “Saddlesore” on Saturday night, I think it’s fair to say that the democrats can color him gone. However, I don’t think they have that one in their big box of Crayolas!


2 posted on 08/18/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never expect an apology from a creep.


3 posted on 08/18/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT by Nachum (Obama: creepy you can count on)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never expect an apology from a creep.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT by Nachum (Obama: creepy you can count on)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The facts. From the NRTL website:

“Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it’s never been more important to protect a woman’s right to choose....Throughout my career, I’ve been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.”

~~~ Senator Barack Obama

Barack Obama is a co-sponsor of the “Freedom of Choice Act” (FOCA), a bill that would nullify virtually all federal and state limitations on abortion, including the types now permitted by the Supreme Court, such as parental notification laws and waiting periods. It would also make partial-birth abortion legal again.

While in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama voted against legislation that prohibited taxpayer dollars from being used to pay for abortion. His campaign has stated that he “does not support” the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits taxpayer funding of abortion through the Medicaid program.

Barack Obama voted to block a bill to require an abortionist to notify a parent before performing an abortion on a minor who lives in another state.

Barack Obama voted against an amendment to allow states to provide federally subsidized health care insurance for an unborn child (within the SCHIP program). The amendment would have written explicit language into the SCHIP statute to guarantee that a covered child “includes, at the option of a State, an unborn child.” The amendment further defined “unborn child” as “a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.”

Barack Obama sharply criticized the Supreme Court for its 2007 Gonzales v. Carhart decision upholding the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. He said, “I strongly disagree with today’s Supreme Court ruling...I am extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”

While a member of the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama opposed the proposed “Born-Alive Infants Protection Act” (BAIPA). The measure was very similar to the federal BAIPA, which President Bush signed into law in 2002. Obama opposed the legislation for three straight legislative sessions and twice spoke against the bill on the Senate floor. He voted against the bill twice in committee and once on the Senate floor. Both laws were intended to provide protection for babies who survived abortions equal to protection received by babies who are spontaneously born prematurely.

Since his election to the Senate in 2004, Barack Obama has compiled a 0% voting record on prolife issues scored by the National Right to Life Committee. By contrast, he has a 100% rating from NARAL Pro-Choice Americ

5 posted on 08/18/2008 10:16:25 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How on Earth? I’m speechless


6 posted on 08/18/2008 10:17:54 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just when you think he can't go any lower...

For some, there is no bottom. Just a continual descent.

7 posted on 08/18/2008 10:18:58 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s terrible when facts get in the way of a story you want to tell that seems to be helpful in bringing in uneducated voters.

Obama is NOT pro-life except when it comes to the death penalty.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 10:19:11 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: GauchoUSA

Here’s another take on who is the liar via HA:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/18/team-obama-acknowledges-infanticide-lie/


9 posted on 08/18/2008 10:19:29 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Reagan Man
... reproductive justice ...

Obfuscatory scrivenry at its best.

10 posted on 08/18/2008 10:21:08 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait, I thought this issue was above Barry’s payscale.


11 posted on 08/18/2008 10:21:21 AM PDT by ushr435
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is that EVERYONE else is a liar and only he speaks the truth...could it be that that’s the only defense he has! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it’s probably a duck!


12 posted on 08/18/2008 10:21:41 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: equaviator
Wouldn’t you agree that after Obama’s performance in “Saddlesore” on Saturday night, I think it’s fair to say that the democrats can color him gone.

You have far more confidence in American voters than I do.

13 posted on 08/18/2008 10:26:00 AM PDT by impeachedrapist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rules...

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14 posted on 08/18/2008 10:27:39 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And here I thought they were all a bunch of racists. . . ./sarc


15 posted on 08/18/2008 10:28:53 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan ("Why can't I be the adorable one?" Dorothy Kilgallen - panelist from "What's My Line?")
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
Yes, according to Obama's world view, the threat is really from that poor infant who made it out of the womb alive, despite his best efforts. What is that child going to do to him to have him hold such deviant views about his or her worth to be alive?

If Obama wants some credibility, he should address the genocide of black babies in the District of Columbia. Why anyone thinks the death of so many little babies is fine...the silence is deafening.

16 posted on 08/18/2008 10:33:40 AM PDT by elk
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Why is that EVERYONE else is a liar and only he speaks the truth

Sounds like Kerry. Must be a sickness of the left. Probably ought to add Gore and his GW myth. Oh and Clinton. B. Clinton and his women.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 10:34:33 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
” Why is that EVERYONE else is a liar and only he speaks the truth...could it be that that’s the only defense he has! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it’s probably a duck!

Saw this on an earlier thread today and loved it…”If it walks like a Democrat and quacks like a Democrat... It's probably a Democrat trying to duck the truth.”

18 posted on 08/18/2008 10:52:35 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals lie.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 10:59:14 AM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Obama’s snub of injuried troops in Europe, the media will keep letting Obama change his story until everyone has forgotten.


20 posted on 08/18/2008 11:05:20 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: ArchAngel1983

LOL...now that’s the truth!


21 posted on 08/18/2008 11:08:18 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: Owl_Eagle

not guilty


22 posted on 08/18/2008 11:12:37 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (About Obama: "Overinflated balloons pop suddenly and catastrophically." - Bill Dupray)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pro Lifers have "lied" about Hussein's abortion votes in a Liberal sense. While being accurate on the facts of the past they contradict O'Bama's current spin which is the Liberal up-to-date "facts." When you start with the proposition that reality is a mental construct then facts are mutable or can simply disappear and Truth changes with political necessity.

Liberals in Russia used to have to rewrite their Encyclopedia every so often as the facts and events of the past changed to accord with New Truth. In this benighted country it is not so easy to rewrite the chronicles when past events change.

23 posted on 08/18/2008 11:27:03 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: elk
What is that child going to do to him to have him hold such deviant views about his or her worth to be alive?

The Alien movies are the pro-aborts view of pregnancy and child birth.

24 posted on 08/18/2008 11:34:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Holy Moly! Is that Amanda Carpenter? If so, this rule should definately be adhered to!

Red heads drive me crazy. The best times in my life were when I was seeing a red head. Unfortunately they were also the worse times in my life...red hot hair and red hot tempers.

25 posted on 08/18/2008 11:38:43 AM PDT by libs_kma (NOBAMA. Keep the change)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the horse's own mouth:

I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny.

Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. …

I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.


26 posted on 08/18/2008 11:43:54 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: RobinOfKingston
For some, there is no bottom. Just a continual descent.



I spent many continuous hours in Descent.
Descent II and III as well.
27 posted on 08/18/2008 11:53:31 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Always Right
the media will keep letting Obama change his story until everyone has forgotten.

I will NOT forget and many others won't either. The media will try to be surprised when Obama is sent home. Americans don't like to be lied to, even though you can fool liberals almost ALL the time.

50% to 90% of Americans do NOT believe the Warren Commission's finding that one shooter killed President Kennedy. They think there was a high level conspiracy, and they're right.

The MEDIA got mad when they found out that a large percentage of Americans think that Iraq was involved with terorism and 9/11, even after MSM told us repeatedly that Iraq was NOT involved. American are right about that too.

The gov't can LIE about what it wants to lie about & the media falls in line with whatever the powers need to tell us.

By the way, LBJ killed Kennedy.

28 posted on 08/18/2008 12:02:32 PM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them!)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars

Really Barry. Really?

Barry I would confidently compare the integrity of any Pro-Lifer to be far better than yours.

No we know we are not perfect. But I think Pro-Lifers are more honest, more Godly, more compassionate, more Patriotic, more humane. Barry, Pro-Lifers are better than you in every way that matters.

29 posted on 08/18/2008 12:43:54 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: TigersEye
The Alien movies are the pro-aborts view of pregnancy and child birth.

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Just let a liberal try to abort me!

30 posted on 08/18/2008 1:16:39 PM PDT by Sister_T (No more excuses! Deport ALL illegal alien invaders ... Criminal or NOT!!!)
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To: mvpel

The logic in his statement is clear. The only reason he is giving for not wanting to give personhood status to the unborn is that it would end abortions. Nothing about whether an unborn human is a person. Nothing about whether an unborn human should be a person. Nothing about morals or ethics. It is all based on what he says the Constitution says about personhood. And the Constitution says nothing at all about what defines personhood so his premise is without merit. That is the most vacuous argument that could be made.


31 posted on 08/18/2008 1:31:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (2016 Summer Olympics ... Poti, Georgia!)
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To: Sister_T
LOL If children were created in the image of their parent's minds that IS the kind of children liberals would have. ;-)
32 posted on 08/18/2008 1:42:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (2016 Summer Olympics ... Poti, Georgia!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a well researched, fair and legitimate criticism of Obama, that should be repeated often. He should put up as requested or apologize to pro-lifers.


33 posted on 08/18/2008 7:54:35 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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