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Obama Jun 15: “fathers…at conception” August 16 “answering that question is above my pay grade”

Posted on 08/18/2008 11:23:17 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

On Fathers Day, June 14 Barack Obama gave a speech on fatherhood “We need fathers to recognize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception. That doesn’t make you a father,” “What makes you a man is not the ability to have a child- any fool can have a child. That’s doesn’t make you father. It’s the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.”

Two months later, on August 16 at the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency, Rev. Rick Warren asked both candidates the question: At what point does a baby gets “human rights.” McCain’s answer was direct “At the moment of conception.”

Obama’s answer was the non-answer heard round the political world.

“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

No Sen. Obama. Answering that question with specificity would abort your campaign—you fool.

You Barry, are the typical stupid liberal. You pander and contradict yourself even while aware that video is on and the world is listening. The MSM will never point this out but we will put our guns and Bibles down long enough to type and highlight your stupidity. God willing Barry, enough of the electorate will see through your shallow façade by election day.

Oh and Barry. Getting a woman preganant does make you a father. Maybe not in your legalistic world of spin, but for the rest of us it does. Coping out and getting your baby aborted doesen't stop you from being a father, you're just a looser who had your baby killed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; conception; murder; obama

1 posted on 08/18/2008 11:23:21 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/15/politics/fromtheroad/entry4181891.shtml

Obama’s Father’s Day Message

CHICAGO, IL —Barack Obama delivered a passionate speech on fatherhood today at a south side African American church, where he called on men to take greater responsibility for their families. He spoke from the pulpit at the Apostolic Church of God, while his wife and two daughters sat with parishioners.

“We need fathers to recognize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception. That doesn’t make you a father,” Obama said to applause and hoots from the parishioners, “What makes you a man is not the ability to have a child- any fool can have a child. That’s doesn’t make you father. It’s the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.”

Obama, whose father abandoned him when he was two years old, said he understands the difficulties of growing up in a single parent home. He added that his father’s absence has taught him how to be a better parent to his two daughters, Sasha and Malia


2 posted on 08/18/2008 11:25:01 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13098

Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’

Washington DC, Jul 1, 2008 / 02:18 am (CNA).- A new advertisement from the Family Research Council’s lobbying arm, FRC Action, cites Sen. Barack Obama’s endorsement of fathers who “recognize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception” to press the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee to defend his stand on abortion.

The 30-second television ad begins with a clip of Obama’s Father’s Day speech at a Chicago church in which the Illinois senator discussed the problem of absent black fathers. “We need fathers to recognize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception,” he says in the clip.

The ad then shows commentary from FRC President Tony Perkins. Holding his squirming son Samuel in his arms, Perkins asks Obama “If, as you say, fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?”

Perkins says that, as a father of five himself, he thanks Obama for promoting fatherhood. Perkins then notes that Obama as a U.S. Senator voted to allocate taxpayer dollars to promote abortion in the United States and overseas.

In the ad the FRC president emphasizes the apparent contradiction between Obama’s pro-fatherhood and pro-abortion views, rhetorically asking “If I became a father at conception, when did Samuel here become my son?”

The advertisement aired on Friday in several cities across the United States. It is scheduled to be broadcast in Cincinnati and later in Dallas and Atlanta.

Sen. Obama has voted against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which would have protected from infanticide those children who survive abortion attempts. He has also promised to pass the Freedom of Choice Act, which FRC Action says would “annihilate” every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.

David Nammo, Executive Director of FRC Action, told CNA that there has been no official reaction to the advertisement from either Sen. Obama’s Campaign or the campaign of his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain.

Nammo said the FRC would like to see Obama acknowledge that life begins at conception and that fatherhood entails responsibility to the unborn. Further, the Family Research Council hopes Obama will renounce his support for taxpayer funding of abortions.

The FRC would also like to see Sen. McCain continue to speak strongly on family-related issues, such as his opposition to Roe v. Wade, Nammo told CNA.


3 posted on 08/18/2008 11:26:00 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

Also, there are not many above Michelle Obama’s $400k pay grade.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 11:27:13 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: cpforlife.org
Rev. Rick Warren asked both candidates the question: At what point does a baby gets “human rights.”

BHO - - - you were asked an OPINION and you declared to the world that it was "above your pay grade" to express your OPINION; nothing else, nothing more, nothing less.

5 posted on 08/18/2008 11:27:32 AM PDT by Freeper
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
"PINGING IS NOT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE"

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

6 posted on 08/18/2008 11:28:38 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN
Marvin, is Freeping above your pay grade? Answer that with specificity, if you like.
7 posted on 08/18/2008 11:30:55 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

Answering ANY direct question that may or may not offend some people, THAT is WAY above Obama’s Pay grade.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 11:31:22 AM PDT by Danae (A Taxpayer voting for Obama is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: cpforlife.org


9 posted on 08/18/2008 11:35:43 AM PDT by vietvet67
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10 posted on 08/18/2008 11:39:57 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

Being PRESIDENT of the United States is WAAAAAAAYYYY above Obama’s Paygrade!!!


11 posted on 08/18/2008 11:42:40 AM PDT by goodnesswins (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Danae

Anything beyond “community organizer” which I suppose in Nobama’s case must have meant HACK is above his “pay grade”


12 posted on 08/18/2008 11:43:41 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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“What political issue could possibly outweigh this human devastation” of 40 million deaths through abortion? “The answer, of course, is that there is none. … It is time to put away the arguments of political spin masters that only serve to justify abortion killing. We have heard a great deal this year about the need for change. But at the same time we are told that one thing cannot change – namely, the abortion regime of Roe vs. Wade.

“It is time that we demand real change, and real change means the end of Roe vs. Wade.”

Carl Anderson, Knights of Columbus - Annual Report

13 posted on 08/18/2008 11:44:27 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

The billionaire leftists financing him won't tolerate anything less than a pro abortion position. He's just an air head sock puppet being run to see just how stupid and gullible the voters really are. Let's see if you can elect a total idiot given enough money. Putting Obama in front of a mike with no teleprompter to read and no prior coaching exposes the empty suit.

14 posted on 08/18/2008 11:47:42 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: cpforlife.org

“We need fathers to recognize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception. That doesn’t make you a father,”

How could fatherhood BEGIN at conception? By liberal dogma, there is no human being created at conception, so how could it create a paternal relationship? By any definition, fatherhood doesn’t exist until there is a child and a parent, and Obama has not the vaguest idea when that would be. His answer to the question perfectly defines how ridiculous and convoluted the whole argument is.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 11:52:42 AM PDT by Spok (Whatever you say about McCain, it must be admitted that he's no B. Hussein Obama.)
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To: goodnesswins
"Being PRESIDENT of the United States is WAAAAAAAYYYY above Obama’s Paygrade!!!"

Crack-smoking burger flipper is above this dopes pay grade.
16 posted on 08/18/2008 11:52:46 AM PDT by RW_Whacko
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To: KeyLargo

Kinda makes one ponder of the Wisdom of Solomon. At conception, the baby is no longer “the mother”. It is separated by a chord and genetically distinct.


17 posted on 08/18/2008 11:53:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Kinda makes one ponder of the Wisdom of Solomon. At conception, the baby is no longer “the mother”. It is separated by a chord and genetically distinct.”

Technically, this is not true.

There is no umbilical cord until the fertilized egg attached to the uterus wall.


18 posted on 08/18/2008 11:55:36 AM PDT by Prime Mover
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To: Freeper; KeyLargo; Danae; vietvet67; MHGinTN; All
OK everybody. I think we can answer with specificity the problem that poor Barry had at Saddleback, and why he came off less polished than normal.

If we look at Barry's regular prepared speeches we always see written notes and this miraculous thing called a TelePrompter.

At Saddleback no written notes and no miraculous thing called a TelePrompter.

This answers with specificity that thinking on his feet is above Barry's pay grade.

Clearly Michelle is the brains in the family. She should remain the principle bread-winner and little Barry should get back to his assistant community organizer job. Yep I just read that he was just an "assistant" community organizer, he had not yet been promoted.

19 posted on 08/18/2008 11:58:45 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; y'all
Dear MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; y'all

Would you all agree that Barry's Pay grade comment proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is the Barney Fife of politics?

With all credit due to the author of this OUTSTANDING picture.

Damn that pic just cracks me up!!!

20 posted on 08/18/2008 12:18:35 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

ROFL

LOL guys... guys.....get this one... (LAUGHING OUT LOUD FOR REAL) ....(snicker) ... Obama makes Hillary look QUALIFIED!!!!!! zOMG LMAO


21 posted on 08/18/2008 12:51:55 PM PDT by Danae (A Taxpayer voting for Obama is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: cpforlife.org

Posts like THIS are exactly why this site is the meeting place of the smartest people on the web. We have great researchers and clear crisp writers. GREAT Job cpforlife.org!


22 posted on 08/18/2008 12:56:54 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: cpforlife.org
... any fool can have a child.

And any fool can get himself on the Democrat ticket for president of the United States.

Brack is living proof of both of these points.

How sad when we have one party that is so utterly anti-American, anti-family, pro-murdering babies, pro-homosexual agenda, anti-American economy while the other is just a clueless sycophant for the Democrats to play with.

23 posted on 08/18/2008 1:02:18 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Wow. Thanks very much! Plus we get to have fun watching Marxist libs like Barry make fools of themselves.

See this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2063648/posts


24 posted on 08/18/2008 1:09:02 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
;-) This Marxist dead soul named Barack Hussein Obama is so easily exposed for the lying spittlemeister that he is, it doesn't take freeping.

Think about it, Bro: this man has two beautiful daughters whom he has taken to the Rev Wrong church since their birth, to have them inculcated with the hate-filled garbage spewed there; this man has one wife and has never been divorced but he wouldn't punish his daughters' failure to behave morally, and instead would hire a killer to end the life of an innocent unborn alive child; this man was effectively raised by his grandparents, yet he tosses his white grandmother under his empowerment bus; this man ...!... Who am I kidding?

This is not a man, this is a lazy Michelle-eunuch whose brain has been fashioned by drugs and entitlements because of his skin color, said educational help he cannot bring himself to be thankful for while growing up, and who has learned to read a teleprompter in a competent way. He is a shallow socialist who will be manipulated by not only the Pelosi-Reid power team, if he is up against any foreign leader like Imanutferjihad, he will be folded up like a cheap suit and rolled right out of the room!

I'm still angry about what I saw and heard Saturday night, can ya tell? But make no mistake, I'm not angry at Rick Warren or even Barack Obambi, I'm mad as hell at the people who keep electing these democrats to office who have put this Marxist up for their nominee running for the presidency of MY COUNTRY! I'm mad as hell at the democrat leadership who have turned a once great political party into a den of liars and Bible exploiters who cannot be honest with even the teaching of Jesus!

These people (I say that with reservation where democrats are the object) are capable of any evil if they will twist the teachings of Jesus to support their empowerment scheme of slaughtering the alive unborn and hounding constantly for handouts and socialist enslavement. ... I think I had better stop now, before I have to buy another laptop with an unbroken keyboard.

25 posted on 08/18/2008 2:04:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Danae

Hence his constant votes of “present” in the Il state senate. No paper trail.


26 posted on 08/18/2008 2:19:20 PM PDT by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

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Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
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Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

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Roman Catholics for Obama '08
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27 posted on 08/18/2008 6:00:29 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cpforlife.org

Exactly correct


28 posted on 08/18/2008 6:53:17 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: cpforlife.org; Conspiracy Guy; y'all
Yep. That comment he made was really the stupidest
thing I've ever heard. The dumbest thing since ...


29 posted on 08/18/2008 11:40:24 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org; MeekOneGOP

“PINGING IS NOT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE” — cpforlife.org

Haha!


30 posted on 08/19/2008 3:25:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; cpforlife.org

hahahaa! :^D


31 posted on 08/19/2008 10:55:35 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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