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The American Spectator ^ | August 18, 2008 | Ben Stein

Posted on 08/18/2008 2:44:34 PM PDT by AnnGora

I am sorry that John Edwards had an affair with a campaign worker. But I am not surprised. Men like to have affairs. Men like to have sex with new women. That's just how men are and always have been.

I am not surprised that a major Presidential candidate and former V.P. nominee of a major party had an affair. Politicians are men and they have all of the yearnings and drives that other men have. They do not check their flaws and essential elements at the Capitol cloakroom.

Nor is it a sign that Edwards might not have been a great public servant. The list of important men with great achievements who have had extramarital liaisons goes from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kennedy to Bill Clinton and undoubtedly has a lot longer to run. John Edwards and Rielle Hunter are only a tiny footnote in this magnum opus

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: edwards; stein
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1 posted on 08/18/2008 2:44:34 PM PDT by AnnGora
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To: AnnGora

Why does anybody pay any attention to this goofball?


2 posted on 08/18/2008 2:46:41 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: AnnGora

“and wrecked his wife’s remaining life.”

I think Edwards is doing that all on his ownsome in “...hotel basements and men’s rooms.”

Weren’t American voters supposed to feel guilty his wife had cancer and vote for him? Now we’re supposed to feel sorry for him?


3 posted on 08/18/2008 2:49:43 PM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: AnnGora

Ah! The smell of strange perfume!


5 posted on 08/18/2008 2:50:15 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: AnnGora
Men like to have sex with new women.

Men (males) of all mammalian species do this. It's an universal phenomenon, sometimes know as the Coolidge Effect.

6 posted on 08/18/2008 2:54:07 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: F15Eagle

John Edwards and Vlad Putin actually had the same agenda. They both pulled off their dirty work on the opening day of the Olympics.

They were hoping most of the world wouldn’t be paying attention.

Birds of a feather.


7 posted on 08/18/2008 2:56:44 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: AnnGora

Ben Stein has been disappointing me a lot lately. ‘Nuff said.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 3:00:53 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: AnnGora
Men like to have sex with new women.

Sorry Ben, some of us are married and promised not to do some things we might otherwise have done.

Your hero, John Edwards, made a big deal about his commitment to his wife during his campaign. He almost certainly would have been appointed to a cabinet post in a (G-d forbid!) Democrat Administration. He made his private life an issue and you want us to forget about it now that it's obvious HE LIED.

Shame on you.

ML/NJ (who used to respect you)

10 posted on 08/18/2008 3:03:53 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: AnnGora

Sounds like Ben feels guilty about something.....


11 posted on 08/18/2008 3:08:33 PM PDT by AndrewB
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To: AnnGora

John Edwards thinks with his pee-pee!

That being said, why was this affair, over in 2006, find him in a hotel room in 2008, holding a “friends” baby at 2:00 AM??


12 posted on 08/18/2008 3:11:59 PM PDT by aShepard (Loose lips Sink ships)
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To: Rudder

But Ben Stein is a creationist. According to him, humans didn’t evolve from other mammals, so in his mind there shouldn’t be any reason for human beings to act like the more primitive mammals. He can’t use the animal excuse.


13 posted on 08/18/2008 3:13:34 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Rudder

Yes, but we are not mere animals, as much as we’d like to pretend to be when we are indulging our basest notions. We are men, made in God’s image, with a conscience and a will, capable of doing great things.

We are not baboons.


14 posted on 08/18/2008 3:14:14 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: AnnGora
The list of important men with great achievements who have had extramarital liaisons goes from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kennedy to Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton? An important man with great achievements?

Yeah, that Ben Stein's a great conservative, all right. (obvious sarcasm)

15 posted on 08/18/2008 3:15:52 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: AnnGora

“Men like to have sex with new women. “

Men also like to hit people when they are angry, destroy other people’s property, rape whatever’s moving when they’re horny, sleep when their dependents are hungry, get drunk and drive, steal whatever looks good at the moment, and kill people they hate.

However, they shouldn’t do that, should they? There are reasons those things are outside the realm of accepted behavior.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 3:16:15 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Marie2
We are not baboons.

In actual practice, we are furry little beasts in human suits.

But we do strive for a more noble countenance.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 3:22:07 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: JillValentine

I always thought Ben resembled a turtle...maybe he really isn’t a mammal.


18 posted on 08/18/2008 3:24:16 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

I suspect you and I have two different world views.

I don’t believe in evolution, and I don’t think we’re descended from apes.

I think we are made in God’s image, and fell, and so must constantly subdue our sinful nature.

If you think you are descended from apes, you can dismiss just about anything, including eating your own kids.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 3:38:32 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Marie2
If you think you are descended from apes, you can dismiss just about anything, including eating your own kids.

Talk about Looney Tunes!

20 posted on 08/18/2008 3:49:36 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Marie2

That’s ridiculous. First of all, very few animal species eat their own offspring. Second, almost every human society that practiced cannibalism had never heard of Darwin or evolutionary theory. They had their own pagan creation myths. You can’t blame evolution for cannibalism.

People who condemn evolutionary theory rarely have even read about it. There is nothing in the theory of evolution that argues either for or against the existence of a God. Therefore, an evolutionist can be a Christian, a Jew, an atheist, an agnostic, or whatever else.


21 posted on 08/18/2008 3:51:33 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Rudder

“Does the rooster mate with just one chicken?”

Oh no Mr. Coolidge. Many”

“Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 4:03:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ml/nj

Edwards is not Stein’s hero. That would be Al Franken.


23 posted on 08/18/2008 4:06:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Good one! A fellow Snark, I presume?

I'm a "member" of the snark society---ring a bell?

24 posted on 08/18/2008 4:13:35 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

No. What is that? Sounds interesting.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 4:49:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
The source of the Coolidge Effect is Dr. Frank A. Beach. The "Coolidge Effect" being his Presidential address to the EPA. Snarks are his former (he's deceased) Ph.D. students.

Herb Caen, formerly of the SF Chronicle, used to publish an annual tribute to the Beach and the story.

26 posted on 08/18/2008 5:03:31 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: JillValentine

I’ve seen public television shows where a certain great ape (I thought it was a chimp?) killed and ate its own offspring. It’s not at all ridiculous. Many species do that.

I don’t blame evolution for cannibalism. My point is, that if you regard yourself as nothing but a more evolved ape, you have a sort of built in excuse for all sorts of wicked behavior.

Perhaps people who condemn evolutionary theory have rarely read about it, but I was raised an atheist evolutionist and attended public schools all my life.

I don’t know if I concur with your definition of “Christian” if it includes denying the truth of the Bible. Perhaps we can still be saved, as though through fire, even if we deny large portions of statements of direct creation sprinkled throughout Scripture. I would not, however, risk it.


27 posted on 08/18/2008 5:45:14 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Rudder

Care to elaborate? FR is pretty decent about avoiding perjoratives and getting to a civil debate. If we are just going to call each other names, what is the point?


28 posted on 08/18/2008 5:46:14 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Marie2
Marie, with this (If you think you are descended from apes, you can dismiss just about anything, including eating your own kids.) I don't need any pejoratives. Your own words serve you well.

Okay, you're not Looney Tunes...

29 posted on 08/18/2008 6:01:50 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

Perhaps you felt I was implying that you, personally, are some sort of kid-eater.

The “you” I was using was as an impersonal second person singular, you know? “If you could do this, you could do that.” Nothing personal intended, and if you do have children, I am sure you are very kind to them.

Over the years, I have heard a lot of hideous behavior justified by “we were just responding to our animal urges.” The older I get, the more odious this excuse becomes.


30 posted on 08/18/2008 6:09:22 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: steve-b

Bueller? Bueller?


31 posted on 08/18/2008 6:12:10 PM PDT by Chucky is a girlie man
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To: Marie2
I have heard a lot of hideous behavior justified by “we were just responding to our animal urges.

Aha! You're running in the wrong circles.

32 posted on 08/18/2008 6:47:27 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: AnnGora
Ben, stop drinkin' those eye drops!


33 posted on 08/18/2008 8:05:06 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Rudder

I’d hoped people would mistake me for a PHD economist because of my perspicacious comments about economics. Not because I knew the story about the President and the rooster.

But thanks anyway. I guess.


34 posted on 08/18/2008 8:56:14 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Well, I'll fill in the parts I alluded to for you.

Frank Beach delivered his presidential address to the Eastern Psychological Assn. annual meeting. As was the custom, he reviewed some data from his own laboratory to the fawning, and yawning, audience. Noticing they weren't listening well, he began to add bogus, bizarre, data. When that didn't get them asking questions, as he had hoped, he said: "And so, distinguished colleagues, you can see that my data follow the pattern typical of the well-known "Coolidge Effect."

Since no one from the audience queried, even at that point, Dr. Beach presented the story of the Coolidge's Sunday outings. Not until the punch line did the audience show any attention. But then, when their brains caught up, they literally fell out of their seats laughing.

That's it.

Except...Beach went on to demonstrate the relative universality of the effect in a wide variety of laboratory animals and published it all.

35 posted on 08/18/2008 9:22:14 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

Are you a Snark?


36 posted on 08/19/2008 5:55:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Yep.


37 posted on 08/19/2008 6:00:54 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: JillValentine
The list of important men with great achievements who have had extramarital liaisons goes from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kennedy to Bill Clinton

Ever since he wrote this column, the ghosts of Julius Caesar, Napoleon, and Thomas Jefferson have been haunting him to demand an apology.

38 posted on 08/19/2008 6:04:26 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: JillValentine
People who condemn evolutionary theory rarely have even read about it. There is nothing in the theory of evolution that argues either for or against the existence of a God. Therefore, an evolutionist can be a Christian, a Jew, an atheist, an agnostic, or whatever else.

Indeed. Stein is a hack with no talents other than the spinning of spurious pseudo-logic. The fact that he enjoys a reputation for being smart is a testament to public gullibility.

39 posted on 08/19/2008 6:07:07 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Rudder

Elite company we are in.

I took a course from Walter Heller at the UofMinn in the 70’s. Never met the “Great Man” but got to meet a nice teaching assistant from Asia (never understood a word he said). I think I’ve pretty much cleansed my mind of the experience.


40 posted on 08/19/2008 6:21:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: AnnGora
If your own family cannot trust you, you are not trustworthy.

The list of important men with great achievements who have had extramarital liaisons goes from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kennedy to Bill Clinton

Caesar, Bonaparte and Clinton are all repugnant leaders from the perspective of the US Constitution.

Kennedy is perhaps the most consistently overrated political leader of the last century.

Jefferson's alleged dalliances remain alleged.

41 posted on 08/19/2008 7:50:02 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: AnnGora
I give Rielle Hunter, the mom, a lot of credit for having the baby and not aborting that totally innocent child, as many women would have done. This courage and love of life is the real story here and if Edwards had a say in it, he is to be thanked and loved, not hated.

MAKIN'& HAVING that baby was Rielle's plan from the get-go. She and the tyke will live comfortably, IF she can manage to keep her mouth shut.

You can believe that Edwards had nothing to do with that decision. He probably swore to her that the fetus was calling out to him for the suction hose pronto!

42 posted on 08/19/2008 12:46:41 PM PDT by pollwatcher (John Edwards: Stop insulting our intelligence & head back to Mayberry, Goober!)
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To: AnnGora
Nor is it a sign that Edwards might not have been a great public servant.

You mean the subsequent lies, cover-ups and the lamest, most transparent excuses and conniving wouldn't disquality him?

43 posted on 08/19/2008 12:50:31 PM PDT by pollwatcher (John Edwards: Stop insulting our intelligence & head back to Mayberry, Goober!)
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