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NYT: Conservatives move against Romney as VP pick
The New York Times ^ | 08/18/08 | Michael Luo

Posted on 08/18/2008 2:55:31 PM PDT by presidio9

On the day Mitt Romney bowed out of the presidential race last February, his supporters latched onto something of a consolation prize that appeared to bode well for his political future: the warm embrace of hundreds of conservatives whose seal of approval he had long sought.

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Yet as Mr. Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, is said to have emerged as a top contender to be Senator John McCain’s vice-presidential running mate, a vocal segment of conservative leaders and grass-roots activists have mobilized against him, with some going out of their way to block his path to the Republican ticket.

It is unclear just how large the group of Romney detractors is and how representative it is of the broader conservative movement. Many are evangelicals who flocked to one of Mr. Romney’s rivals in the Republican primaries, Mike Huckabee, the Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor whose own hopes for making a repeat presidential run in 2012 or 2016 could suffer if Mr. Romney were named to the ticket.

Indeed, Mr. Huckabee himself aimed a few jabs at Mr. Romney this week, arguing that he would make an unacceptable vice-presidential pick because of his shifting positions on several issues.

Nevertheless, the determined opposition to Mr. Romney highlights the nagging concerns about his ideological authenticity — and his Mormon religion — that dogged him throughout his primary campaign. It also illuminates the continuing unease Mr. McCain arouses among some evangelicals and other social conservatives who make up an important voting bloc of the Republican base.

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The ultimate danger for Mr. McCain is not necessarily that Christian conservatives will not vote for him if he chooses Mr. Romney, but that they will not be as energetic in turning people out to vote,

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(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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In April, a collection of social conservative leaders took out a full-page advertisement in a newspaper in Arizona when Mr. McCain was campaigning there that was headlined, “An Open Letter to John McCain: No Mitt.”

Boy, I sure wish the NYT would at least go to the trouble of NAMING some of those "social conservative leaders." Or at the newspaper, at the very least.

1 posted on 08/18/2008 2:55:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

There are some still talking McCain down. Its a powerful team and one the DEMS are afraid of.


2 posted on 08/18/2008 2:58:48 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: presidio9

Personally, I think the Dem/Libs are afraid of him. He can debate them and he can make them look bad. He is not a conservative’s conservative and first choice ... however he present a viable option to be a voice against Dem/Libs. He also presents some good qualities and traits McCain doesn’t possess. Management ability, leadership ability, speaking ability to name a few.


3 posted on 08/18/2008 2:59:31 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: presidio9

I guess Romney earned some sort of shot here; but I feel he’d be a liability. McCain can’t be painted into any corner whatsoever. Dems love to do that; but w/ Mac, they just can’t.
Not so with Mitt. Every aspect of Mormonism that seems weird to the rest of the country would be kept in the forefront — one new controversy per week. We just don’t need that.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 3:00:27 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: presidio9

Looks like more Huckabug stench to me.


5 posted on 08/18/2008 3:00:45 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now...... or die.)
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To: presidio9
Can't believe anything written in the NYT. It long ago ceased being a newspaper and now functions as a source of leftest agitprop.
6 posted on 08/18/2008 3:01:34 PM PDT by Lamchops
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To: fieldmarshaldj; EternalVigilance

Here’s your cue!


7 posted on 08/18/2008 3:02:52 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: K-oneTexas

I know that a lot of people don’t like Mitt and that is fine, but if the stupid press is even mentioning him and spreadig BS stories, they must fear him. Notice how they don’t say squat about knucklebee EVER.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 3:04:45 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: presidio9
This story is a reprint of the article the NYT published on August 18th, and which already has a thread with 221 posts:

Romney Still Raises Concerns in Some Conservatives

9 posted on 08/18/2008 3:05:21 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: presidio9

Romney would be a good pick...pro-business, anti-illegal (actually for deportation and fencing), pro-life..

The NYT fears the McCain/Romney ticket would blast their Messiah...we all know Obama will lose...this would cement the deal.


10 posted on 08/18/2008 3:06:28 PM PDT by wac3rd (Carter80/Obama08)
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Oops, the NYT story was August 15th. The MSNBC site says it is “updated”, but a quick perusal I didn’t see any changes.


11 posted on 08/18/2008 3:07:11 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: presidio9
If Romney can swing 3 percentage points to McCain in Michigan...

Don't think Barry can win if he loses Michigan.

12 posted on 08/18/2008 3:09:34 PM PDT by Lamchops
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To: Gator113
Huck stench describes it pretty well . Look at the field . Palin won't take it . Huck is a religious fanatic . Pawlenty is weak . Ridge is an uninspiring dullard. Who left . If Mac wins he is a one termer. He needs a ready to go .
13 posted on 08/18/2008 3:12:40 PM PDT by fantom
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To: Migraine
Actually, the bigotry against Romney's religion would take the race card (Obama's centerpiece) off the table given that the volume and shreiks of the Mormon hating moonbats would make the rants of the racist moonbats look like a bunch of pouty pre-schoolers in comparison. McCain would do it just to put a finger in their eyes.

There are better candidates out there with far more sterling conservative credentials-- Sarah Pallin, Eric Cantor and Tom Coburn, just to name three.

In the end, McCain has to add up the pros and cons. Not just who can help energize the base, but who can put swing states and swing demographics into play. He's also got to pick a team player because whomever he selects will probably give up any chance of ever being president by taking the VP slot. The reason is because if McCain wins and McCain does a good job (neither of which is probable at this point), the VP would have a very steep hill to climb extending Republican administrations to 16 or 20 years. It hasn't happened since the Civil War and it won't happen with amnesty which McCain is sure to push in an even more liberal congress.

14 posted on 08/18/2008 3:15:30 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: K-oneTexas
Good looking, personable, fairly decent. Ideologically adrift, unable to politically to rock any boats. He reaches for the checkbook, or buy off at any difficulty. Whether it is taking 20 billion from some Americans to purchase votes in Michigan, pushing through unwanted and unklammored for Romneycare.

McCain is less liberal government spending wise, and when seeing an opening, has taken a vote costing stand. Something Mitt has never done. In this elections, McCain has come out, in Indiana no less, against ethanol. Something Mitt would never have the spine to do.

McCain bested Obama, and has won, what 8 elections to Mitts one.

Mitt left the Mass GOP in ruins. He used, bought and abused it. I don't know if he ever got the thanks he should of from Mass Democrats. There is something creepy, and un democratic with the stickiness of Romney's name in this election. The weird support from NR, the effete elite of the GOP, Mitt's beating in the nomination by a broke, old, stumble McCain. The constant quasi Democrat tactic of any one against Mitt is an snake handling evangelical and or Mormon bigot. I know I used to 'get' Mitt. But that was until he reviled himself as Governor as the go along to get along to become President ticket puncher. In a way, Mitt reminds me of Nixon. There's a wiff of energetic, intelligent, dogged desperation.

15 posted on 08/18/2008 3:18:09 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: wac3rd
Mitt couldn't, over two years get illegals to not mow his lawn. The only anti- illegal enforcement he ever did, was a last week of his Governorship agreement with the Feds over future training of some State Police. It was never done.

I don't know, other than mindless repetition, or MittPitch, where he gets any street cred for being anti-illegal.

16 posted on 08/18/2008 3:23:28 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: presidio9

He should be blocked. A Mormon on the ticket would be a disaster. It doesn’t please me to say so. In fact, it’s pretty sad. But a principal advantage we have against Obama is fear and suspicion of his Islamic roots. Put a Mormon—a sect which many people also fear—on the ticket, and you dilute that advantage.


17 posted on 08/18/2008 3:24:01 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Leisler; Clintonfatigued; CitizenUSA; Norman Bates; Clemenza; Tennessee Nana; Reagan Man; ...

One thing Slick Willard’s candidacy revealed is that it ended up outing a lot of people we thought were Conservatives that proved to be anything but. Those that put looks, lies and bucks ahead of a substantive Conservative record. People that a year or two ago I thought were giants (Coulter, Tancredo) turned out to be nothing but little weasels.

And Leisler, I’d disagree with the “fairly decent” description. I contend he is not a nice man in the least, and in his quest for power in attempting to avenge his father, he sold his soul. When I look at him, he not only seems to lack substance, he appears soulless. Very unattractive indeed. (Funny thing is, if he had used a fraction of the ruthlessness in whoring after the Presidency and channelled it into doing something positive as Governor, he might not have left the MA GOP dead and the state in total shambles).


18 posted on 08/18/2008 3:33:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Huckabee has torpedoed any chance that Romney will be on the ticket. Huck let it be known that he would not be campaigning for Romney.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 3:35:07 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: montag813
But a principal advantage we have against Obama is fear and suspicion of his Islamic roots. Put a Mormon—a sect which many people also fear—on the ticket, and you dilute that advantage.

But Mormons aren't flying planes into buildings or strapping bombs to their chests.

20 posted on 08/18/2008 3:37:44 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: WilliamReading

Huckster is in no position to pontificate on Slick Willard. He did the exact same thing in Arkansas that Willie did in Massachusetts. We now have “1” Republican left from AR in federal or statewide office, the same office we had 41 years ago. That’s down from 5 (half the federal delegation and 2 statewide) this decade (so, in other words, Huckster shrank the AR GOP presence by 80%).


21 posted on 08/18/2008 3:45:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

McCain needs to choose Govenor Palin of Alaska.

Game, set, match.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 3:54:53 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: keepitreal
But Mormons aren't flying planes into buildings or strapping bombs to their chests.

Look, I said I didn't like it, but there it is. Watch any critique of LDS, watch the South Park ridicule episode. Is it fair? No, but it is indeed a widespread view of Mormons. Heck,there is even the bad luck of the recent FLDS crap to contend with. A Mormon on the ticket is a no-go this time around.

23 posted on 08/18/2008 3:57:25 PM PDT by montag813
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To: EQAndyBuzz

My top two picks are SC Gov. Mark Sanford and RI Gov. Don Carcieri (I don’t necessarily have anything against Gov. Palin, just concern she needs a bit more seasoning — the aforementioned Governors have 6 years of experience each).


24 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: presidio9

They are trying to divide us.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 4:03:15 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Migraine
I guess Romney earned some sort of shot here; but I feel he’d be a liability.

Personally I would like to get away from the GOP approach of picking the guy whose turn it is (i.e., past, failed presidential nominees). I remain one of Fred Thompson's staunchest supporters, but I wouldn't push him for VP, for this reason: if you couldn't unite the party in the primaries, then you shouldn't be offered the post as the future of the GOP (since whomever is VP nominee this time will likely be the presidential nominee next time).

We need fresh, conservative blood -- e.g., Cantor, Coburn, DeMint, Sanford (to name just a few).

26 posted on 08/18/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: Lady GOP
There are some still talking McCain down. Its a powerful team and one the DEMS are afraid of.

Some? Dems? There are plenty FReepers C-A-N-Ts (Conservatives Acting as Nauty Trolls) talking him down right here on FR!

27 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:25 PM PDT by meandog (please pray for future President McCain, day minus 130 and counting)))
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To: montag813

“Put a Mormon—a sect which many people also fear—on the ticket, and you dilute that advantage.”

What do many people fear of a Mormon?

I have many Mormon relatives. Two retired career US Army officers. My grandmother. My next door neighbors. All solidly conservative. (no I have never been Mormon, no I don’t live in Utah)

Never tried to convert me. What’s to fear?


28 posted on 08/18/2008 4:15:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: fieldmarshaldj
>>>>>One thing Slick Willard’s candidacy revealed is that it ended up outing a lot of people we thought were Conservatives that proved to be anything but.

On a certain level, I agree with you. Its tough to accept the fact that so many high profile conservatives were willing to sell out to support liberals and moderates. Calling them weasels is one thing. Abandoning their ideological roots during the GOP primary season, just might warrant a label of traitor to the conservative cause.

29 posted on 08/18/2008 4:17:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Lamchops

> If Romney can swing 3 percentage points to McCain in Michigan <

Ditto for Colorado and Nevada, which have significant Mormon populations and which have been trending recently toward the dhimmis.


30 posted on 08/18/2008 4:21:10 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: presidio9

BTTT!


31 posted on 08/18/2008 4:23:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wac3rd

Now the NYT is trying to pick the Veep, too??

GTFO


32 posted on 08/18/2008 4:32:59 PM PDT by Canedawg
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To: Reagan Man
Mark Levin says Mitt is “acceptable.” That's hardly a ringing endorsement, but why would he even say it? For someone who says conservatives need to rise up and turn things around, it sure looks like a big compromise of principle.

Ann Coulter is another one who has really disappointed me. She's basically written Mitt did and said whatever he had to to get elected in a liberal state. Well, I'll grant he certainly acted liberal enough to fit in, but I'd hardly call that something worthy of admiration.

These so-called leaders of the conservative movement tell us we must battle hard, yet they compromise even when compromise isn't necessary. For example, no one can possibly convince me there aren't better VP picks. Even if Mitt's 100% conservative now, why should we settle for someone who (allegedly) only recently grew a conservative spine?

Many presidents have picked relatively unknown people for VP. This shouldn't be about political calculations to get a few more votes (since no one can really predict where this country will be in three months). The VP is the heir apparent for the 2012 election. That's why I want a conservative!

McCain's VP pick is going to tell us a lot about McCain himself. Will it be a wise choice? Or, will he stick it to conservatives yet again? We shall soon see.

33 posted on 08/18/2008 4:35:25 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Yes, McCain will sell conservatives out. Trust that!)
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To: presidio9

I gotta believe it’s not going to be Romney as Veep. I love the guy, but his negatives are near exponential.

I cannot imagine McCain would pick a guy with no pickup from the middle and a net loss from the right.

When is the last time a Pres candidate picked a Veep candidate who rated the highest in negatives of all candidates in consideration.

I just can’t see it. Only those who see Romney the way Liberals see Obama would even think he’d bring a state into play.


34 posted on 08/18/2008 4:35:45 PM PDT by TitansAFC (In 2008, please vote GOP and show us that you love your country more than you hate John McCain)
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To: Lady GOP
There are some still talking McCain down

A reminder to partisans that this is FreeRepublic, not FreeRepublican.You damn bet you there are Freepers talking McCain down.

My suggestion is to find a group that appreciates McCain's nuances and then settle in.

35 posted on 08/18/2008 4:45:10 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: meandog

So, do you think those conservatives-acting-as-’nauty’-trolls are afraid of Mitt, or can it be possible that we are not trolls, and are not sold on the idea that Mitt’s the new conservative hope for the party, and are using our right of free speech to say so here on FR?


36 posted on 08/18/2008 4:45:44 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (I've got the fevah!)
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To: presidio9
The left is terrified of a McCain/Romney ticket. I say go for it!
McCain Romney
37 posted on 08/18/2008 4:48:07 PM PDT by littlehouse36
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To: montag813
But a principal advantage we have against Obama is fear and suspicion of his Islamic roots. Put a Mormon—a sect which many people also fear—on the ticket, and you dilute that advantage.

Name one religion that has been more conservative and more pro-America and pro-constitution than the Mormons.
Comparing them to the Islamics is rediculous.
38 posted on 08/18/2008 4:49:47 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Another thing his condidacy revealed was how some people, supposedly conservative, can be so filled with misinformation and hate.


39 posted on 08/18/2008 4:51:57 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Myth and F***abee are both liberals, as far as I’m concerned.


40 posted on 08/18/2008 4:52:25 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels was like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: WilliamReading

In my book that is a plus.


41 posted on 08/18/2008 4:52:37 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: All
ROMENYCARE

'nuf said...

42 posted on 08/18/2008 4:53:32 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: All

The votes he might lose from the far right wing will be in states with a 10 point McCain lead. The votes he might win for McCain are in Nevada, Colorado and Michigan.

The Electoral Votes say Romney is a good pick.


43 posted on 08/18/2008 4:54:05 PM PDT by Owen
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To: broncobilly

Indeed. His supporters were some of the most ignorant (or most in denial) regarding his liberal record, and when they (and he) were called on it, attacked Conservatives like myself with a vicious level of hatred that is the usual M.O. of DUers. Rather telling.


44 posted on 08/18/2008 4:55:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: montag813
The democrats will nominate a black or a woman, but don't expect the Republicans to be courageous enough not to discriminate against a Mormon.
45 posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:02 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly
Comparing them to the Islamics is rediculous. (sic)

Thelogically, however, there are many similarities with Islam (including their main books written by "prophets" who came after Jesus) and McCain and Obama will need the support of Christian conservatives to win in November.

46 posted on 08/18/2008 4:57:05 PM PDT by XR7
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

Yup. And their records demonstrate that. Although Huckster was pro-life (unlike Slick Willard), so was Dennis Kucinich until a few years ago, and his far-left record is renowned.


47 posted on 08/18/2008 4:58:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: meandog
Wow, you can find anything on the internet! I present to you, the nauty troll!


48 posted on 08/18/2008 4:59:23 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (I've got the fevah!)
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To: broncobilly
What his candidacy has revealed is how some folks who call themselves conservatives are willing to let government mandates, tremendous cost overruns, crippling of small business, non specific 2nd amendment stands, as well as other once liberal ideas that are a detriment to our great nation become part of the “advertised” ideals of 21st Century Conservatism all to give a pass to a guy from their own church.

Fortunately real conservatives were smarter than that, lowing the bar was not acceptable, never has been, never will be.

49 posted on 08/18/2008 5:02:54 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
All I saw was some defenses of your continual vicious attacks.
50 posted on 08/18/2008 5:03:09 PM PDT by broncobilly
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