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Christians should quit wasting time attacking gay marriage
Lincoln Journal Star ^ | Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 | Holly Lafferty

Posted on 08/18/2008 3:57:15 PM PDT by Tzimisce

The recent headlines about the legalization of gay marriage in California and the efforts to reverse that decision have left me dismayed. I may be in the minority among my fellow Christians, but I find myself increasingly ashamed by the words and actions of the leaders of the religious right.

Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage? We could be putting our efforts for God to much better use!

There are far more pressing issues the world is facing today. It should not be the priority of so many to prevent two men from calling themselves “husband and husband” rather than “partners.” Those who find homosexuality offensive to their sensibilities cannot prohibit gay relationships altogether. Seeing photos of Britney Spears without her underwear on is offensive to my sensibilities, but it seems to have sparked a trend rather than triggered legal action.

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1 posted on 08/18/2008 3:57:16 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce
"Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage?"

Because it's wrong.

2 posted on 08/18/2008 4:00:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Tzimisce

That she should read “How Would God Vote” by David Klinghoffer. JMO


3 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:20 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: Tzimisce
Thoughts?

Yeah, a bunch of crap.

4 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:24 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Tzimisce

Gays should stop wasting time attacking Christians.

JoMa


5 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:56 PM PDT by joma89
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To: Tzimisce

bs

another good works Christian


6 posted on 08/18/2008 4:02:30 PM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: Tzimisce
Frankly Ms. Lafferty, you are wrong. Same Sex marriage is merely a small part of the entire agenda to remove all societal norms related to morals, right and wrong, marriage, life, personal responsibility, even shame.
7 posted on 08/18/2008 4:05:24 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Tzimisce

Guess we should have quit before banning it here in Michigan. We didn’t realize we were beaten before we voted. LOL


8 posted on 08/18/2008 4:06:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Because there are two types of people one says “Thy Will be Done” the other “have it your way”.


9 posted on 08/18/2008 4:06:56 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: Tzimisce

Just a thought.

If folks would not think of Christ as a Christain ( HE was’n’t )and as the SON OF GOD (which HE is ) and listen to what HE said and is saying , then a person would know when they are doing something against the will of GOD, if that is important to them or not , it’s their choice.So simple it’s hard.

Gay Marrige,no such animal.


10 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:03 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (In my day,Flunking gym was not an option , even for Stupid Kids!)
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To: Tzimisce
Holly is quite uninformed on the subject.

"Legalizing same-sex marriage will affect a wide spectrum of government activities and policies. Once a state government declares that same-sex unions are a civil right, those governments almost certainly will enforce a wide variety of other policies intended to ensure that there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. This may well place “church and state on a collision course.”[16]

The prospect of same-sex marriage has already spawned legal collisions with the rights of free speech and of action based on religious beliefs. For example, advocates and government officials in certain states already are challenging the long-held right of religious adoption agencies to follow their religious beliefs and only place children in homes with both a mother and a father. As a result, Catholic Charities in Boston has stopped offering adoption services.

Other advocates of same-sex marriage are suggesting that tax exemptions and benefits be withdrawn from any religious organization that does not embrace same-sex unions.[17] Public accommodation laws are already being used as leverage in an attempt to force religious organizations to allow marriage celebrations or receptions in religious facilities that are otherwise open to the public. Accrediting organizations in some instances are asserting pressure on religious schools and universities to provide married housing for same-sex couples. Student religious organizations are being told by some universities that they may lose their campus recognition and benefits if they exclude same-sex couples from club membership.[18]

Many of these examples have already become the legal reality in several nations of the European Union, and the European Parliament has recommended that laws guaranteeing and protecting the rights of same-sex couples be made uniform across the EU.[19] Thus, if same-sex marriage becomes a recognized civil right, there will be substantial conflicts with religious freedom. And in some important areas, religious freedom may be diminished. "

http://www.protectmarriage.com/

11 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:28 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Tzimisce
Surrender on what marriage is is never acceptable.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:29 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: gidget7

AMEN!


13 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Tzimisce

Because marriage is a sacrament ordained by God (so the marriage ceremony used to say)

Once you allow law to dictate who MUST receive sacraments, you open the door to massive legal interference in the practice of religion


14 posted on 08/18/2008 4:08:49 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: goldstategop

agreed, Marriage is not only just between man and woman, but according to some of our most ancient laws, does not exist without Children. A marriage is not considered consumated untill the parents have passed off their genes, to an entirely new person. Even the Catholic Church would grant annulments, ( a statement that says a marriage never existed) to a childless couple.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 4:10:56 PM PDT by morque2001 (Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think.)
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To: Tzimisce

Marriage between a man and a woman is a sacrament. Gay marriage is a sin. I will continue to defend sacraments and oppose sin.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 4:11:59 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Tzimisce
Our Constitution grants “liberty and justice for all.”

This airhead columnist is a BS artist, not a deep thinker.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 4:12:53 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Any Conservative who sits out the election will be an accomplice to the criminal Obama regime.)
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To: Tzimisce
"Those who find homosexuality offensive to their sensibilities cannot prohibit gay relationships altogether."


The question is not one of prohibiting gay relationships all together. This is a complete red herring. The question is whether the public is going to sanction such relationships as a marriage. There is a historic reason why the public has taken an interest in traditional marriage. The support is meant to encourage stability in a relationship which has the potential to create vulnerable third parties (children). The protection of children is the only justifiable reason for the public to take an interest in private relations. Since same sex relations can not produce children, they are purely a matter of private concern and not of interest to the public.

The gay rights activists used to argue that their relationships were strictly a matter of private concern when they were arguing against sodomy laws. Now they want to reverse course and argue that their relations should be of public concern, which as the premise behind sodomy laws.
18 posted on 08/18/2008 4:13:56 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Tzimisce

The reason we oppose homosexuality is because it is a demonic spirit.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 4:14:03 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Tzimisce
"I may be in the minority among my fellow Christians..."

Yeah, I guess you are.

20 posted on 08/18/2008 4:14:37 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Tzimisce
IMHO, it's not a waste of my time.

I can multi-task!

21 posted on 08/18/2008 4:16:42 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: Jacquerie
As the author say, Our Constitution grants “liberty and justice for all.”

And I would agree, BUT what has that got to do with marriage?

22 posted on 08/18/2008 4:16:53 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Rocky

These are the same “Christians” who vote fro pro abortion candidates.


23 posted on 08/18/2008 4:17:47 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: airborne

fro=for

my bad...


24 posted on 08/18/2008 4:18:17 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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To: gidget7

Frankly Ms. Lafferty, you are wrong. Same Sex marriage is merely a small part of the entire agenda to remove all societal norms related to morals, right and wrong, marriage, life, personal responsibility, even shame.


She takes a page out of the liberal playbook by saying that same sex marriage isn’t important; that these other issues are the really important issues.

We can compare issues all night long with her. She says why does it matter how someone else defines marriage? I would say to her that our society has already defined what marriage is. Gays are not pretending about being married, they are suing to change the definition of marriage for the entire society.

The whole same-sex marriage movement calls into question whether we as a culture and society are even allowed to define terms such as marriage.

She falls into the liberal claptrap that so many others fall into. Namely, she’s saying why are people concerned about same-sex marriage when there are these other important concerns out there? SHE DOESN’T ADDRESS HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE ON ITS OWN MERITS AS TO WHETHER IT’S A GOOD SOCIAL POLICY. She simply says why concern ourselves with it, and love our neighbors even if they are homosexual, as Christ would. Christ would love our gay neighbors but He still would approve of defining marriage as a monogamous man/woman union.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 4:18:34 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Because it's wrong.

Because the same folks who are advocating gay marriage also tend to be the same folks who say that the Bible is outdated and irrelevant. And, if that's true, then Christianity becomes a hollow, empty shell.

26 posted on 08/18/2008 4:19:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: TheDon

Excellent reply. Thank you.


27 posted on 08/18/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Tzimisce

Christians will live among those who don’t believe in God, until the end. Corinthians were told to live among the sinners but not to live like them. Surely there were gay trysts, abortions, etc. all around the church, but the church there needed to stay pure.

We need to encourage the better in those around us, too. This can mean voting for someone who is against abortion or against gay marriage, but it may not be such things, alone. It is perfectly acceptable to argue against sinful things being made legal in public.

That said, Christians should not give up any hope should marriage be “redefined.” Gay “marriage” is nothing compared with legalized abortion or euthanasia, but Christians were able to live within societies with such things, too, around the time of Christ.

Our faith in Christ does not have to be what others follow in our own society, but it would be best if all were in Christ.


28 posted on 08/18/2008 4:20:54 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: rob777
You are spot-on: this is a red herring.

The left wants to destroy the institution of the family by legally defining it away so that any “relationship” can be considered a “family.”

29 posted on 08/18/2008 4:20:55 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Tzimisce
"my fellow Christians"

Wrong. You may have fellow so-called Christians; but not real Christians. I see the devil also calling me his fellow 'Christian'; but neither the devil, nor you, are my fellow Christian.

30 posted on 08/18/2008 4:21:05 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: rabscuttle385

Exactly. They’re trying to make Christianity a taco. Whatever YOU feel like filling it up with, regardless of whether or not it’s wrong.


31 posted on 08/18/2008 4:21:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: gidget7
Frankly Ms. Lafferty, you are wrong. Same Sex marriage is merely a small part of the entire agenda to remove all societal norms related to morals, right and wrong, marriage, life, personal responsibility, even shame.

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Well said, gidget.

32 posted on 08/18/2008 4:22:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tzimisce
no attacks -- Just the fact according to the Catholic Church.

 
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2357.htm
Depth: 1 links away from Home
Modified: 2004-10-08 17:06:04
Title: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2357
Keywords: -None-
Description: -None-
Body: 7 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved

33 posted on 08/18/2008 4:25:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Tzimisce
"Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage? We could be putting our efforts for God to much better use!"

I don't know, but I always figured that keeping people from dying in their sin was a pretty good use of my time.

34 posted on 08/18/2008 4:27:32 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I don’t want my grandchildren solicited by these people.


35 posted on 08/18/2008 4:27:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: morque2001

So Abraham and Sarah weren’t married until she gave birth? So, they had illegitimately had sex until then?

And Joseph and Mary were in a polyandry marriage with God, once she gave birth to any of Joseph’s children, but until then, Joseph was in an adulterous relationship with Mary because she was really married, through the birth of Christ, to God?

I don’t think so.


36 posted on 08/18/2008 4:27:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Tzimisce
I don't have to use God-commanded morals to oppose gay marriage, though I do. I can do it simply on the basis of its amply demonstrated destructiveness. or the ICK factor.

Also, if I DO have a religious objection to recognizing such a marriage, my religious liberty should trump any obligation to recognize such. But if it is legalized, my rights, constitutional ones not made up ones, will be violated.

I agree, the church should spend a little more effort on fornication and divorce problems.

Finally, I judge no one. But I can judge actions. Nothing in the Bible against that. What? The libs think we're going to bring back stoning for gays? Well, yeah, they do think that. Idiots.

37 posted on 08/18/2008 4:30:41 PM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: morque2001

Heck, I’ve been told that the Catholic church even grants annulments to couples who have kids. Especially if they have lots of money. Can that possibly be true?


38 posted on 08/18/2008 4:31:54 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Tzimisce

“Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage?”

We are investing precious time in a successful endeavor to uphold the sanctity of marriage because it is a critical institution for a heathly, thriving, moral civilization.

“Gay marriage” is an oxymoron, a legal fiction granting members of the same sex the license to sodomize each other, nothing more.

“Gay marriage” is anti-God, anti-male, anti-female, anti-child, anti-evolution, anti-self.

Short of the pro-life issue, I cannot think of a better cause than to fight for the sanctity of marriage.

Like all people caught up in sexual sin, men and women who commit homosexual acts should be told the truth in love.

We should forgive them when they repent, forgive them when they fall short, rejoice with them when they persevere over temptation, but hold fast to the sanctity of marriage.


39 posted on 08/18/2008 4:32:26 PM PDT by redfog
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To: Tzimisce
And another thing

What if everyone from the religious right who is disputing gay marriage devoted their efforts to improving society in ways that might actually effect change? Volunteer at a soup kitchen; lobby for a reformed foster care system; donate money to nonprofits that help terminally ill children. In the many causes such as these, we can actually hope to make a tangible difference. Wouldn’t Christians make a lot more headway in their cause to witness for Christ if they spent more time actually reaching out and less time pointing fingers?

Who says it's an either-or proposition. We can do both. Although what I really think she is trying to say without saying it is, "work for social justice, vote Obama".

40 posted on 08/18/2008 4:33:19 PM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: mojito

“You are spot-on: this is a red herring.”
You talkin’ about “photos of Britney Spears without her underwear on”????


41 posted on 08/18/2008 4:34:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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42 posted on 08/18/2008 4:35:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Why are so many pushing for the redifinition of marriage and for special rights of those whom are sexually perverted? - That’s the true, right question!


43 posted on 08/18/2008 4:37:31 PM PDT by JSDude1 (It;s only a protest vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd-pissant)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Why are so many pushing for the redifinition of marriage and for special rights of those whom are sexually perverted? - That’s the true, right question!


44 posted on 08/18/2008 4:37:35 PM PDT by JSDude1 (It;s only a protest vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd-pissant)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Why are so many pushing for the redifinition of marriage and for special rights of those whom are sexually perverted? - That’s the true, right question!


45 posted on 08/18/2008 4:37:41 PM PDT by JSDude1 (It;s only a protest vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd-pissant)
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To: Tzimisce
Gay marriage, and homosexuality in general, is not leading our society down the wrong path. It is merely an indicator that society is already far along that wrong path. It's not a cause, but a result, of our (society's) sinfulness.

Because of this, we as Christians cannot stop it if what we are concentrating on is the symptom and not the root cause. We must go after the root cause of this sinfulness and attack that.

46 posted on 08/18/2008 4:40:01 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Tzimisce

We all know, liberals and conservatives alike, that homosexuals have nothing but contempt for marriage (meaning a union between a loving man and loving woman). I repeat “nothing but contempt.” If they did NOT have contempt, they’d be getting mental and spiritual help to come out of the disgusting and dangerous life-style that they’re in.

However, if they can put their finger in our married people’s eyes and get away with spitting on the family unit, they’ll insist that they want to be MARRIED. Hey, they’re just like us . . . only a little different (see them kissing and holding hands on the newscasts? Huh?) That’s all they do, right?

They know damned well that they can draw up any contract guaranteeing to take care of someone else and not have to crap all over the sanctity of marriage, but that won’t get Ellen Degenerate’s sick life style approval, now will it?

Marriage to them is a direct attack on their sordid lifestyles, so why not denigrate it to a nothingness complete with no moral equivalence, and laugh at everything that is good and holy.

I repeat, they have nothing but CONTEMPT for marriage and if they can get away with the RIM’s stupidity and non-judgmental attitude, then they win. We lose. May God have mercy on them.


47 posted on 08/18/2008 4:40:08 PM PDT by laweeks ( to)
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To: trisham

“Same Sex marriage”

It’s not “Same Sex.” It’s “Homosexual.”

It’s not “Faith Based.” It’s “Religious.”

It’s not “Intelligent Design.” It’s “God.”

It’s not “Mother Nature.” It’s “God.”

When did we start sugar coating nice words with these blasphemous terms?


48 posted on 08/18/2008 4:45:21 PM PDT by laweeks ( to)
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To: Tzimisce

two words:

sodom gomorrah


49 posted on 08/18/2008 4:48:38 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Tzimisce

The writer seems to prove there is such a thing as homosexual marriage. Why? Because some legislative body says so?

Marriage is definitively about mating, which is definitivfely between the two sexes (see Biology 101).

This doesn’t stop delusional people from delusions — but I hope it still helps some, to tell the obvious truth.


50 posted on 08/18/2008 4:50:03 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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