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Obama lashes McCain over rich claim
Herald Sun ^ | 19 August 2008

Posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:08 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

DEMOCRAT Barack Obama has berated his White House rival John McCain as an out-of-touch economic illiterate who would make the rich richer at a time of financial pain for most US voters.

At a rally in a sweltering high school gymnasium in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Senator Obama mocked Senator McCain for remarking at a weekend forum with religious leader Rick Warren that only those earning more than $US5 million ($5.7 million) a year were really rich.

"This explains why his tax plan gives hundreds of thousands in tax breaks for people earning 2.5 million, because they're only middle class," the Illinois senator told a jeering crowd of 1800 people.

"Everyone making 2.5 million or more, raise your hands," Senator Obama said to laughter. Nobody in the audience did.

Mr Warren had asked Senators McCain and Obama separately at the forum in California to "define rich".

Senator McCain, whose wife is a wealthy brewing heiress, said "I think if you're just talking about income, how about five million".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; mccain; obama; osamaobama; presidentmccain; rich; saddleback
Sounds like the typical politics of envy and division again...
1 posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:08 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

There is not a single politician that could give a rational reason as to why people can’t keep most if not all of what they earn, whether it be $30,000 a year or $25,000,000 a year.


2 posted on 08/18/2008 4:58:50 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: Aussie Dasher

If the school gymnasium was “sweltering” I wouldn’t put it past Obama’s campaign if they made sure it was uncomfortable to make the audience more receptive to Obama’s “message.”


3 posted on 08/18/2008 4:59:12 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Aussie Dasher

Senator Obama? Bite me...

4 posted on 08/18/2008 4:59:15 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

There won’t be any middle class in the new Obama Nation.


5 posted on 08/18/2008 5:01:44 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I overinflate my tires, so the gas fairy will fill my tank.)
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To: All

McCain KNEW that comment, meant obviously as a joke, was going to be distorted, or actually LIED about by Obama.


6 posted on 08/18/2008 5:02:00 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: wastedyears

I’ll give you a rational answer. People are kept STUPID about the taxes they’re forced to pay for a reason. And educated public is a dangerous public as far as politicians are concerned.

Thwarting taxes in every legal way is my hobby and delight. :)

If more people would educate themselves as to how much money is STOLEN from them and REDISTRIBUTED to others each year, there would be a revolution.

But, thanks to ‘Publik Skrewel’ and the fact that Americans are lazy, that won’t happen any time soon. ;)


7 posted on 08/18/2008 5:02:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: LegalEagle61

I guess Obama can’t distinguish between yearly earnings,,,and total net worth. Geeeez.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 5:03:22 PM PDT by stockstrader (CHANGE--a euphemism for further dividing our country along racial, social and economic lines)
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To: Aussie Dasher

How pathetic, McCain said that it would be twisted even though he said he was joking. Black Oblack will make everyone making 30K Rich.

Pray for W and Our Troops


9 posted on 08/18/2008 5:03:38 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think Obama is going to get nastier and nastier as the reality that he might loose kicks in.


10 posted on 08/18/2008 5:04:15 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: wastedyears

“Obama lashes McCain over rich claim...”

That’s an interesting way of putting it.


11 posted on 08/18/2008 5:05:16 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Aussie Dasher
an out-of-touch economic illiterate who would make the rich richer at a time of financial pain for most US voters.

Did Obama really say that?

12 posted on 08/18/2008 5:05:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A community in Chicago is missing an organizer.)
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To: LegalEagle61
McCain KNEW that comment, meant obviously as a joke, was going to be distorted...

And laughingly said so right after he made the quip.

Its up to the media to impart the proper context to his remark, but of course they're more than happy to pass along the lie.

13 posted on 08/18/2008 5:07:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: bray
Is McCain wrong? Obama thinks all the middle class are rich and he'd like to see that class disappear. All his ideas would lead to that result, anyhow.

My personal favorite is the SAHM -- all her labor from January to July is NOT taxable, unlike all individuals who work salaried jobs. Her work goes entirely to her family! How cool is that?

Shhhh...that's a dirty little secret.

14 posted on 08/18/2008 5:08:46 PM PDT by elk
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To: Aussie Dasher

Obama is the economic illiterate, the historical illiterate, the Christian illiterate, the illiterate diplomat, the science illiterate, the geological illiterate, etc......


15 posted on 08/18/2008 5:10:04 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm investing in "Pitchfork Futures"!!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

RATs have no sense of humor.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 5:12:19 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
IMHO a real problem is the witholding.
If everybody had to write a check for the total amount- THEN you'd see a revolution.
17 posted on 08/18/2008 5:13:06 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Just as McCain predicted, Obama is lying.


18 posted on 08/18/2008 5:16:17 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: RedStateRocker

Yes, you would. BUT...every paycheck I’ve ever earned keeps a running total of all taxes paid. Those numbers are pretty darn big by the end of the year!

It’s completely depressing. And I’m not sure that the ‘Fair Tax’ effort is ever going to gain any traction.

You know d@mn well Government is working against us. It’s up to each Citizen to arm themselves against this type of thievery. Grrrrr!


19 posted on 08/18/2008 5:26:12 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: wastedyears
Sure there is:

Haven't you ever heard about from each according to his means, and the corollary to each according to his needs

All these socialists think that is the way to solve all the problems that beset mankind. It's been tried all over the world with the same dismal outcome each and every time.

However, maybe this time we have the right group of people who will do what all others have failed to do.

I hope you realize that both my tongue and cheek are stressed at this point.

20 posted on 08/18/2008 5:28:43 PM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
James Madison


21 posted on 08/18/2008 5:31:47 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Obama lashes McCain over rich claim

Man, doncha just hate black-on-white crime?!

22 posted on 08/18/2008 5:32:49 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: RedStateRocker

“I hold it the duty of the executive to insist upon frugality in the expenditure, and a sparing economy is itself a great national source.” ~ Andrew Johnson

OK. I’ll stop now...because you’ll regret ever getting me started on this subject, LOL!


23 posted on 08/18/2008 5:37:07 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: RedStateRocker
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

THANK YOU! Wonderful quote!

24 posted on 08/18/2008 5:47:36 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Barak is such a humorless moron.

McCain was goofing off and after he made the remark he said “but seriously....”


25 posted on 08/18/2008 5:55:56 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Aussie Dasher

” “Everyone making 2.5 million or more, raise your hands,” Senator Obama said to laughter. Nobody in the audience did.”

Everybody who is married to a Professional Minority - Diversity Coordinator making $300,000 because her husband is a Senator, raise your hand. Nobody did.


26 posted on 08/18/2008 5:56:51 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Aussie Dasher
According to Obama (from the audio clip I heard today), he said that those making $150,000 are in the middle class, (maybe lower in some parts of the country) and those making $250,000 are in the "top 3-4 percent".

According to Wikipedia, as of 2003, the 95th centile income is $154,120.

Seems to me he *is* an elitist, to call the national 95th centile "middle class".

Oh, and the $250,000 number? The top 2%.

27 posted on 08/18/2008 6:05:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LegalEagle61
He made that point 100% crystal clear and less than two seconds after he made that joke about the absurd $5 million dollar a year earnings to be included in the "rich" level... and he was laughing when he said it... and barry is a POS muzzie/commie liar.

LLS

28 posted on 08/18/2008 6:05:50 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: stockstrader
It was a joke about an asinine question to McCain about what level per year earnings did he consider to be “rich”. McCain clarified (100% clear and concise) that it as a joke and predicted barry would use it to attack him... two seconds after he quit laughing when he was saying it!

LLS

29 posted on 08/18/2008 6:08:28 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: BipolarBob
There won’t be any middle class in the new Obama Nation.

Of course, there will be a middle class, just 100 % of them will be poor, it's all in the semantics !!!

30 posted on 08/18/2008 6:26:48 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: BipolarBob

“There won’t be any middle class in the new Obama Nation.”

Exactly... Everyone will be poor.


31 posted on 08/18/2008 6:41:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Aussie Dasher
Obama lost and this is the ONLY thing he can even try to cling to even though anyone that saw the answer knew McCain kind of threw that number out there in jest to make a point about there not really being a precise number.
32 posted on 08/18/2008 7:07:37 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: PLMerite
Everybody who is married to a Professional Minority - Diversity Coordinator making $300,000 because her husband is a Senator, raise your hand. Nobody did.

How about everyone making $4 million a year and owning a vacation home in Hawaii, raise your hand...

33 posted on 08/18/2008 7:18:23 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: LegalEagle61

“McCain KNEW that comment, meant obviously as a joke, was going to be distorted, or actually LIED about by Obama.”

Yes he did. Immediately after he said it, he said that it would be. Didn’t take long for that prediction to come true, did it.


34 posted on 08/18/2008 7:20:57 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: Aussie Dasher
Obama knows he appeared weak during the forum, so now he's trying to make up for it. Fortunately, he hasn't been very successful at making it go away.

Off subject, I'm always floored at how he is so relentless in the terrible way he speaks about Bush. He does it so much, he doesn't even realize how disrespectful he sounds. I understand that Bush is not high on the approval list, but good grief!. However, Obama can't handle the tiniest bit of criticism. What comes around goes around, Obama. He's sowing the seeds.

35 posted on 08/18/2008 7:30:55 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Aussie Dasher

Actually if you have to make a wild-ass estimate about what constitutes “rich”, $5 million is just about right. “Rich” is a subjective call but if you define it as never having to work again then being a millionare, i.e. having one million dollars net worth, would generally not cut it nowadays


36 posted on 08/18/2008 7:59:09 PM PDT by Mentos
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To: Mentos
More directly, if you can afford to go into your bosses office to announce that you quit, and to have so much in the bank that you need not sign on with boss #2, that's rich. No matter how you slice it, there aren't many in that little club. Individual situations would determine what amount of money in the bank would qualify. The word “rich” in the context of tax policy means that you accept the premise of Maxist-Leninist class warfare ideology. An egalitarian society would tax the wealth of its members equally to support the operation of the government. What the government is supposed to do is a subject of other posts.
37 posted on 08/18/2008 8:22:31 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

“Sounds like the typical politics of envy and division again...”

Jus doing what he was trained to do as an Alinsky “community organizer”, i.e., stoke group resentment to the point that you can guide their anger to accomplish your goals.


38 posted on 08/18/2008 8:48:20 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I wish someone would ask Senator Obama how much money he’d have to earn for his wife to not complain about the price of summer camp, piano lessons, and fresh fruit on the table.


39 posted on 08/18/2008 9:03:06 PM PDT by Mariebl
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To: sefarkas

RE: “More directly, if you can afford to go into your bosses office to announce that you quit, and to have so much in the bank that you need not sign on with boss #2, that’s rich......”

“Individual situations would determine what amount of money in the bank would qualify.”

Yes, rich or wealthy varies by individual situation as well as lifestyle. A 60 year old with $2 million net worth, unemployed, but owning his home outright and no dependents is certainly “wealthier” than a 40 year old with a mortgage, spouse and four kids, who happens to have around the same net worth.


40 posted on 08/18/2008 9:16:22 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Barack Obama has berated his White House rival John McCain as an out-of-touch economic illiterate who would make the rich richer at a time of financial pain for most US voters.
The proper response is, "how much do you and your wife make, [characterization deleted]?!?" Or, "how much more in taxes will I pay under your proposal?"
41 posted on 08/18/2008 11:21:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: LegalEagle61

Not only did McCain give a full answer before he threw in the $5 mil part as a joke, everyone laughed when he said it, including himself. And McCain said “I’m sure that will be distorted.”

Obama knows it too - he’s just hoping not enough people saw it so he can twist it to his advantage, like he did with his 100 yrs. in Iraq misquote.

Obama is so desperate, his backup plan is to lie. Between this and the infanticide lie this week, he’s dropped to a new low.


42 posted on 08/19/2008 3:41:53 AM PDT by drierice
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Obama lashes McCain over rich claim"

It was a joke you frikin' sissy boy. A joke much like you'll become November 5th when America is celebrating the next President McCain!

43 posted on 08/19/2008 6:28:16 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

If McCain makes it in, i won’t really celebrate, but he’s definitely better than Obama.


44 posted on 08/19/2008 6:30:05 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice
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To: Travis T. OJustice

I’ll be celebrating that Obama is not our president.


45 posted on 08/19/2008 7:10:55 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

THAT is worthy of celebration!


46 posted on 08/19/2008 7:13:49 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice
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To: Aussie Dasher
Obama lashes McCain .........

Lasher Obama. Somehow that nickname just doesn't seem right.

More than likely the headline should read:

"Obama Throws a Hissy Fit at McCain."

In case anyone hasn't noticed, Presidents of the United States do not throw hissy fits.

So why does Obama?

47 posted on 08/19/2008 7:31:24 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: LegalEagle61

Yes, he mentioned it would,and chuckled.


48 posted on 08/19/2008 11:08:18 AM PDT by BARLF
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