Skip to comments.Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback
Posted on 08/18/2008 5:05:54 PM PDT by tcg
....The Obama campaign had thoughtfully arranged for my wife and myself to attend the forum, and we did well, sort of. When we arrived with plenty of time, the church grounds were locked down and we never did make it inside. The Sheriffs Department was confronted at the entrance with loud and sometimes unruly protest. Many protesting were carrying large pictures of unborn or aborted babies.
As a pro-life Catholic, I understand that one way to instruct about evil is to unmask its ugliness. Abortion is ugly. And so for the next two hours we were subjected to one bloody photo or another being thrust into our face as one epithet or another was hurled at Senator Obama. There was also a contingent of yellow-tee-shirted protestors proclaiming marriage to be between one man and one woman, to which as Catholics we also concur....
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Interesting, but appears to be an Obama supporter, and skirts around Obama’s rejection of the born-alive protection act.
The author is obviously a “social justice” (socialist) Catholic.
His article goes on to berate Catholics for being closed to understanding and helping pregnant women. By that he means government programs.
It appears the gentleman is in dissent from more than the voting guidelines, since he must know that the "Catholic mind" is profoundly and creatively engaged in reducing abortion by promoting chastity, fidelity, and charity. "Willful ignorance" is the phrase that comes to mind.
I swear this guy is a fifth columnist. If Pope Benedict were debating Obama it would be Obama “nuanced, nuanced, nuanced,” and Pope Benedict “says all the right things” but it’s not good enough.
Which is what?
Laura Ingraham tore CINO moral relativist Kmiec a new dirt chute on her show this morning.
'nuff said right there. The first sentence telegraphs the rest of the article.
Doug Kmiec was on Laura Ingraham early am you might catch a replay.
Laura ripped him a new one. My cat has more smarts.
Doug is a typical academic with no real world knowledge.
I’m not sure that’s true. I have enormous respect for Doug Kmiec, who is a friend and fellow parishoner at Our Lady of Malibu. He is an extremely intelligent, experienced, thoughtful man who attends daily Mass. He does support Obama, which baffles me.
Doug, you are risking your soul on this one.
No, McCain is not perfectly pro-life because of the stem cell exception. But Obama is a baby-killer, pure and simple.
For a self-annointed “pro-life Catholic” to defend that is totally evil and disgusting.
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In our town Catholics support three homes for unwed mothers that are constantly filled. What nonsense about Catholics not helping women.
The difference is Catholics help the woman AND the baby!
Whatever this man Kmiec is, he is not a conservative.
Or I guess you could call him an Andrew Sullivan “conservative”.
Put your waders on - it’s deep.
Catholics ‘don’t understand alternatives to abortion.’
Oh, and Obama shows great humility. I swear someone zapped half the country with mind numbing rays.
In this, there is no effort to address underlying cause and certainly no extension of empathy with the poverty or the ignorance or the cruelty that may lie behind the morally tragic contemplation of a woman to take the life of her own child. And with the Catholic mind so totally closed to alternative means to reduce abortion, it then often remains closed to every aspect of the social justice teaching of the Catholic tradition whether it be providing a living wage, decent shelter, adequate prenatal care or the preservation of the created environment.
If we are to follow the model of Pastor Warrens civil forum, as Catholics we need to undertake to address abortion in its full social justice context and in as great a spirit of charity and friendship as remains possible in American politics. John McCain told us what we wanted to hear. It is less clear he told us what we needed to know to open the Catholic mind not to the acceptance of evil, but to its amelioration by means other than condemnation.
what is his explanation to his friends for this insanity? laura and wendy on the show today count themselves as friends and colleagues of Doug’s, and he could not answer them in any meaningful way. they were beyond perplexed. i know of this man and what he has believed and stood for in the past, even as recently as this past spring when he was an advisor to Mitt Romney for judicial appointments, along with Wendy Long. What can possibly explain his turn to lunacy?
Doug sounded like he was programed and someone wound him up when he was on Laura’s this morning.
When Laura could get a word in, and ask him a question, he just went in circles.
I guess he doesn’t have a problem with Obama’s Marxist friends and supporters not to mention Obama’s Marxist views.
as you and i have discussed, i want an explanation from him. i would be BEATING IT OUT OF HIM, were he my friend! LOL!~
i could not let it rest. it is one thing if he decided, in the quiet of his soul, to vote for obama, but he is putting himself out there as a posterboy for a democrat Catholic and giving cover to otherwise faithful Catholics who would want to vote for obama. it is an abomination and he has to be called to account for this.
I’m still waiting for Doug to explain to me personally his support for Obama. Don’t know if he ever will.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest for the trees.
Kmiec covers up for Obama's outright pride and promotion of the American Holocaust with "social justice context" crap. This is the same as covering for Hitler by noting the quality and efficiency of the trains.
Kmiec is sick in the head--to be diplomatic.
TESTIMONY OF DOUGLAS W. KMIEC
PROFESSOR OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
“The Origins and Scope of Roe v. Wade.”
PING to link in 24. Excellent refernce from a once excellent Pro-Life defender.
The guy just doesn’t want to admit he was wrong and immoral to support Obama. Saddleback made it clear as daylight. He even spins in his article deliberately “ignoring” (yeah right) McCain being “wildly optimistic” about non embryo-destroying research replacing ESCR. Way to go, Doug.
Sounded to me like Kmiec said the Catholic position is supposed to be somewhere neat appeasement. Ok, Doug.
Perhaps he is not an actual pro-life Catholic.
This absolutely baffles me. Kmiec certainly must know that Catholics were heavily invested in Pregnancy Aid Centers and many, many other initiatives to support women --- especially poor and young women --- in making life-affirming choices for themselves and their babies.
Good heavens, "Birthright," the premiere pregnancy assistance group, was founded I think in 1967, six years before Roe vs Wade.
And Catholics have been in the forefront of the whole movement to understand pro-life in its wider setting as the foundation of human rights.
If I didn't know Kmiec was an intelligent and devout man. I'd think he was an ignorant yob. (Slapping brow repeatedly.) You see my problem.
I used to respect Kmiec before he was mesmerized by B.O.
It would be nice to be able to follow the money. One wonders what Mr. Kmiec might be gaining financially for his embrace of death and murder.
His reasoning lacks logic. Here's a logical breakdown of his resaoning:
He also is a global warming True Believer, cites "racially segregated public schools that don't teach" (then goes on to endorse the Party responsible for the academic irresponsibility), talks about us as "a nation of immigrants that won't welcome any more of them." (look around you and tell me we don't welcome PLENTY of immigrants).
But what galls me is the accusation that Catholics don't give a damn about mothers. He indicates this in his litany against us:
with the Catholic mind so totally closed to alternative means to reduce abortion, it then often remains closed to every aspect of the social justice teaching of the Catholic tradition whether it be providing a living wage, decent shelter, adequate prenatal care or the preservation of the created environment.
as if charity is crap and only Government redistribution counts as "caring".
Yep. He's a socialist.
Many leftist theologians, or in fact communists and Muslim imams (except the daily-mass thing), are intelligent, experienced, and thoughtful persons.
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I do not think he is intelligent. He was furious that the USSC recognized the individual right inherent in the 2nd amendment. He is for very strict gun control and banning of handguns. He had a relative (brother in law I believe) murdered. He is so intelligent he blames the firearm.
I agree with Kmiec about the behavior of the protestors. It's not going to persuade anyone and is more likely to harden people on the opposite side to their position if they aren't hardened already.
But evil needs to be confronted and defeated and we need to say that such is necessary. Too often the message we hear today regarding evil is one of tolerance. There was nothing in McCain's position which led me to believe he would use war as a first resort (unless like on 9/11, we are attacked first) with tyrannical countries with whom we disagree.
Agreed with both of your posts. Well said.
Apparently he was, or seemed to be, a pro-life Catholic, according to other pro-lifers who should know.
Then he went around the bend.
That Kmiec sold out is not the question, it’s “What was his price”?
Those that hold those views might just as well eat drink and be merry, because they wont enter the Kingdom of God.
If you are calling Doug Kmiec a communist, you are way off the mark.
Don't try to put words into my mouth. I'm simply stating that many leftist theologians, communists, Muslims, etc., have those qualities.
I think Doug and others like him are terribly misguided when they include social concerns like racism, immigration and health care under the "culture of life" umbrella. That's not a fatal flaw, in and of itself, until they elevate those causes to the same level of importance as the abortion issue. It's clear that they are sadly confused when they find a moral equivalence between their positions on those other social justice issues and the non-negotiable right to life.
I think it was you who pointed out that the intellectual meltdown necessary to justify contraception distorts one’s perception of everything else. Or maybe it was Pope John Paul.
Or perhaps the gentleman has pernicious anemia and Vitamin B-6 deficiency.
"Willful ignorance" is the phrase that comes to mind in this context, too. Irrespective of a person's IQ or SAT scores, there's something not-quite-sane about refusing to admit facts that contradict one's preconceptions.
I for one am sick of hearing from this jerk kmiec. I don’t give a damn what he has to say. What he WAS means nothing to me. What he IS does mean something. He is a phony who wants to put a baby murderer in the White House. He is there for my enemy.
“If you are calling Doug Kmiec a communist, you are way off the mark.”
But “lying baby murderer” seems to fit.
Perhaps "sellout." We're all wondering how he was compensated for the sale of his soul.
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