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Union Prez Wouldn't Want Teachers to Shoot Colombine-like Killers
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/08/19/union-prez-wouldnt-want-teachers-shoot-colombine-killers ^

Posted on 08/19/2008 5:34:17 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

If your child's school was invaded by Columbine-style killers, methodically murdering students in cold blood, would you want teachers to shoot to stop them? Gayle Fallon wouldn't. For that matter, Fallon doesn't think teachers "have it in them" to even try to save their students' lives. Fallon, the president of a teachers union in Houston, TX, made her views known during an Early Show segment this morning conducted by Harry Smith.

The topic was a decision adopted by a rural north Texas school district to permit teachers to carry guns in the classroom. As Harrold, TX School Superintendent David Thweatt explained, the decision was prompted by the school's close proximity to an interstate [presumably making it a tempting target], and its remoteness—thirty minutes away from law enforcement. Thweatt made clear that all guns have to be approved by the school board and teachers have to undergo extensive safety and related training. None of that mattered to Fallon.

HARRY SMITH: Gayle, when you first heard about this, what was your reaction?

GAYLE FALLON: Initially I thought it was a joke. However, after a couple of media calls, we realized it wasn't and we were asked whether our district would consider it, and it was absolutely no way would we consider it. One of the things that hit me is, you know, Colombine and the other incidents were generally initiated by students. Now, I've been around teachers a long time. They don't have it in them to aim at a student and kill him. They'll freeze. Nor would I want them to.

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1 posted on 08/19/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Teachers union prez doesn’t think teachers could, should try to stop Columbine-like killers. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 08/19/2008 5:35:28 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“David Thweatt”

Good Lord.


3 posted on 08/19/2008 5:37:20 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Fallon is more deeply committed to disarming America than to protecting students.


4 posted on 08/19/2008 5:38:05 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Fallon doesn't think teachers "have it in them" to even try to save their students' lives.

I'll agree with her, there. Most would be out the door and halfway down the street at top speed before the first kids got shot. ;)

5 posted on 08/19/2008 5:39:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
For that matter, Fallon doesn't think teachers "have it in them" to even try to save their students' lives.

Ms. Fallon ..... guess you didn't hear about the Va. Tech professor who blocked his classroom door against the shooter with his own body to give his students more time to jump out windows .... and was killed. He didn't even have a gun ....

6 posted on 08/19/2008 5:41:11 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (God will be the ultimate judge ............ but sometimes you can just smell the sulphur.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Great point.


7 posted on 08/19/2008 5:42:40 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Union Prez Wouldn't Want Teachers to Shoot Colombine-like Killers

Typical liberal BS....SUBMIT. Do not defend. SUBMIT to those that would harm you.

8 posted on 08/19/2008 5:44:51 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MissMagnolia
guess you didn't hear about the Va. Tech professor who blocked his classroom door against the shooter with his own body to give his students more time to jump out windows .... and was killed. He didn't even have a gun ....

Nor, the assistant principal in Pearl, MS. that stopped the school shooting by using is concealed pistol.

9 posted on 08/19/2008 5:46:38 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
>>>For that matter, Fallon doesn't think teachers "have it in them" to even try to save their students' lives.

Fallon, you are a piece of slug excrement!

Professor Liviu Librescu, Rest in Peace and Thank You for your sacrifice!

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One of Lebrescu's students, Alec Calhoun said "When students realized the sounds were gunshots, they started flipping over desks for hiding places. Others dashed to the windows of the second-floor classroom, kicking out the screens and jumping from the ledge of the room." Calhoun said that just before he climbed out the window, he turned to look at the professor (Librescu), who had stayed behind to block the door. He was killed by gunshots while attempting to block the gunman's entrance.

10 posted on 08/19/2008 5:48:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The mere threat of weapons in the classroom would deter a lot of wanna-be shooters. Except in the hands of the likes of Ms. Fallon.


11 posted on 08/19/2008 5:49:26 AM PDT by whipitgood (Illegal immigration: Let's roll!)
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To: MissMagnolia

BTTT


12 posted on 08/19/2008 5:50:10 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

More proof of how ignorant and useless those in “education” have become.


13 posted on 08/19/2008 5:50:34 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Puppage

I missed that one. Thank you.


14 posted on 08/19/2008 5:50:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This teacher’s union president wants schools to remain victim buffets, because she is a coward. It only takes one armed and brave member of the faculty to minimize a tragedy.


15 posted on 08/19/2008 5:50:56 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is a woman utterly lacking courage and sense.


16 posted on 08/19/2008 5:51:17 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Well, I am a retired teacher . If YOU were to try a “Columbine” like action in my school building or my wife’s (she’s armed too ) you wouldn’t get near our rooms if we had CCW laws in my district. One word ,STOP( moving ) then BANG!!
Agreed , most teachers cringe at even the word gun, but there are many like ourselves in the classroom .


17 posted on 08/19/2008 5:51:26 AM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"They don't have it in them to aim at a student and kill him."

She must not be from Texas (a transplant). She obviously doesn't understand the way things are done in Texas and the character of the people who live there.

18 posted on 08/19/2008 5:52:31 AM PDT by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Union Prez Wouldn't Want Teachers to Shoot Colombine-like Killers

"We do enough damage to kids already," she did not go on to say.

19 posted on 08/19/2008 5:53:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Initially I thought it was a joke. However, after a couple of media calls, we realized it wasn't and we were asked whether our district would consider it, and it was absolutely no way would we consider it.

"And it was absolutely no way would we consider it?"

It, it, it, it, it, it, ..... speak proper English, beeeyotch!!!!

20 posted on 08/19/2008 5:54:16 AM PDT by library user
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Projection?


21 posted on 08/19/2008 5:55:00 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Most would be out the door and halfway down the street at top speed before the first kids got shot. ;)

True, but it only takes one with a backbone and some common sense. Rare in the NEA membership, but it does happen.

22 posted on 08/19/2008 5:55:58 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Stupid, arrogant, (androgynous) b!+ch.


23 posted on 08/19/2008 5:56:50 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Mr. Jeeves; Jimmy Valentine's brother
"Most would be out the door and halfway down the street"

Well times have changed since I was in high school, I guess.

We had some teachers that were hard enough to roller skate on. They took no nonsense from anybody. I watched a shop teacher smack the crap out of a couple of kids that were giving him a hard time. Used a chunk of lumber. If he had a gun well.......!

24 posted on 08/19/2008 5:57:48 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
She can't do it,so no one else can. Liberal Projection is endlessly fascinating.

I had several teachers that would relish the thought of plugging a student or two. IMHO the problem will not be a lack of volunteers, but an overabundance of them.

do i need a /sarc tag?

25 posted on 08/19/2008 6:01:58 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Pablo64
"Now, I've been around teachers a long time. They don't have it in them to aim at a student and kill him."

Prior to pursuing education as a career, my 8th Grade History teacher and wrestling coach had worn a highly distinctive, green colored, slightly flattened headwear item. He apparently had looked so good in it that he was invited to SE Asia to show it off. I still remember him going over his classroom rules on the first day of class. "If I catch two of you fighting, I'm going to break it up right there and keep you after school. At that time you'll finish the fight, and the loser will get detention."

The man became a role model for me, and eventually our High School principle. Now, some 20+ years later I still look him up when I get back home.

I have no doubt that he'd "have it in him," to ventilate any student shooter.

26 posted on 08/19/2008 6:06:09 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: library user

Ms Fallon, we have the right, not a requirement, to keep and bear arms. We already have that right in Utah schools. I’m certain that most of the teachers do not exercise that right. That’s OK. If you are a shooter, you don’t know which teachers are armed, only that some might be armed. Also, the fact that many people could not defend themselves does not mean that nobody can defend themselves.

I’m also a little skeptical that the fine people of Texas don’t have any teachers that can handle firearms.


27 posted on 08/19/2008 6:08:10 AM PDT by mmparker
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“I’ll agree with her, there. Most would be out the door and halfway down the street at top speed before the first kids got shot. ;)”

Out to the teacher’s parking lot to get my gun out of my truck.


28 posted on 08/19/2008 6:11:58 AM PDT by fungoking
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To: Joe 6-pack
About a week into my freshman year, the new guidance counselor broke up a fight in the lunchroom. One of the fighting kids made the mistake of taking a swing at him. Counselor put him in a headlock and when the kid still struggled, the counselor did what looked like a WWF move and put him on the floor. It really looked like it hurt.

The Guidance counselor was not ever tested again while I was in school.

Nowadays, teachers get prosecuted for not saying "May I please" when they give a kid detention. People like your principal and my guidance counselor just aren't around anymore, and the schools are all the worse for it, IMHO.

29 posted on 08/19/2008 6:15:43 AM PDT by wbill
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Put Gayle in Baltimore at night with no gun.


30 posted on 08/19/2008 6:16:49 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

My sons graduated from a school system where the assistant superintendent was a Lt. Col. in the Army. I think if armed it would be one shot one kill.


31 posted on 08/19/2008 6:17:27 AM PDT by Kimmers (Liberalism: Where fun goes to die)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Fallon doesn't think teachers "have it in them" to even try to save their students' lives.
When I was a Sr in HS a new teacher came on staff, he taught 3rd yr (Jr) English. He had a Black Belt in Karate and everyone was scarred *shirtless* of him. Even the baddest of us Greaser bad a__es gave him a wide berth in the halls. Then we had the male Gym Teachers who could also kick butt. Like the Varsity Football Coach - his body fat was like zero.

There has to be a few of these types left. (I would hope)

32 posted on 08/19/2008 6:18:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: fungoking
I have taught in rural Ak schools where we kept a rifle behind the locked door to school office; teachers had the key. Reason was bear strolled through village; had a habit of looking the kids over on playground.

I don't think many teachers want to be play law enforcement, or they would have entered a much more lucrative profession. America has to do a better job raising their kids; parents need to be held accountable for their failures.

33 posted on 08/19/2008 6:28:20 AM PDT by Eska
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I personally know many teachers that I would want to be armed and do believe they would defend the students. I might feel different if I lived somewhere else, but one thing to remember is the teacher who reacted in such a situation would also be defending themselves. The idea that they would flee and leave the students- if the teacher could flee to avoid the situtation, then couldn’t the students also get away? To me getting away from the shooter if possible is not a bad thing- especially if possible to get the students out. Every scenerio would be different of course, but to just say the teachers wouldn’t defend the students off hand is not fair. I think teachers that arm themselves are or should be prepared to use that firearm in defense of themselves and their students, and teachers that would not be willing to do that would likely not want to be armed to begin with.


34 posted on 08/19/2008 6:29:45 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

We used to call these morons “Doves”, but their militancy against survival has evolved beyond nature.


35 posted on 08/19/2008 6:32:18 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I wouldn’t have a problem shooting ANYONE who was trying to harm my students. They become my kids, and I would protect them if at all possible.
susie


36 posted on 08/19/2008 6:35:48 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

She’s simple-minded. Even if you are hard-core against firearms, there are ***NON-LETHAL*** methods to protect students.

Teachers could be armed with pepper-spray, bean-bag guns, stun guns, guard dogs, etc.

So the poor, simple-minded union president doesn’t have to have teachers killing kids (even armed, rampaging, cold-blooded Columbine killers)...

...but *some* sort of defense from teachers for their innocent students (especially young students in Kindergarten who can’t be expected to pack heat themselves) makes sense.

Non-lethal weapons, liberals. Anything is better than being sheep at the slaughter.

Of course, that solution is probably “above her pay grade.”


37 posted on 08/19/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Required reading, “Terror at Beslan,” by John Giduck:

http://www.terroratbeslan.com/

For the benefit of Liberal scum like Fallon, I will take a moment to transcribe from the book’s conclusion:

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“So to an America tucked comfortably into beds at night: sleep well. Close your eyes and go quietly into each gentle night, refusing to acknowledge the danger that lurks outside your doors. But before you do that get down on your knees and pray for protection by those men and women who have already heeded the call, who stand ready to do violence to those who would do you harm. For the time is coming when they, even with their tremendous courage, will no longer be enough. Then, the battle will fall on the shoulders of each and every one of us.”
*****

Make no mistake, the ultimate end of the Liberal agenda is always the death of the innocent, the death of freedom, and the death of the good. People, as well as great notions end up dying when Liberals are allowed to pursue their self-serving, self-absorbed agendas. Liberalism kills.


38 posted on 08/19/2008 6:46:04 AM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: Fresh Wind

An old Texas name, actually. And I’m very proud of his decision - we see on FR the quote “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away”. That goes double in this instance: all the blood would be spilled and the perps long gone if they called authorities and awaited their arrival.

Colonel, USAFR


39 posted on 08/19/2008 7:14:01 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: library user
Initially I thought it was a joke. However, after a couple of media calls, we realized it wasn't and we were asked whether our district would consider it, and it was absolutely no way would we consider it

Whose district?!!

40 posted on 08/19/2008 7:21:45 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Southack

Guess she never saw the movie “The Substitute”.


41 posted on 08/19/2008 7:25:39 AM PDT by Fee
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To: laotzu

HISD... Houston.


42 posted on 08/19/2008 7:28:52 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: brytlea
I wouldn’t have a problem shooting ANYONE who was trying to harm my students. They become my kids, and I would protect them if at all possible.

Amen. A school district close to here actually asks on the application of one has a CC permit. I've never been sure if they ask because they think it is good, or if they're asking because they think it's bad.

43 posted on 08/19/2008 7:32:09 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: El Laton Caliente
HISD... Houston

No way. She(Gayle Fallon) says it is the Union's district.

44 posted on 08/19/2008 7:32:27 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

So who did “The Early Show” interview for the pro position? I mean in the spirit of fairness...


45 posted on 08/19/2008 7:46:08 AM PDT by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Ms. Fallon ..... guess you didn’t hear about the Va. Tech professor who blocked his classroom door against the shooter with his own body to give his students more time to jump out windows .... and was killed. He didn’t even have a gun ....”

When I think back to the teachers I had over 50 years ago, I am totally convinced that any one of then would have done anything to protect us kids. Armed or not, they would have gone down fighting.
Guess Ms Fallon is another example of the dumbing down of America and the total yellow stripe teachers are trying to instill into kids today.
There is a time to fight...and this person doesn’t get it.
Hope she never has to stand up for herself someday. She won’t make it.


46 posted on 08/19/2008 7:56:33 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

She looks like Madelyn Murray O’Hare.


47 posted on 08/19/2008 8:12:22 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

One of the faces behind the ongoing Pussyfication of America.

“Yeek! A rat. Don’t hurt it!”


48 posted on 08/19/2008 8:16:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

49 posted on 08/19/2008 9:10:59 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Jimmy Valentine said: "I watched a shop teacher ..."

The Dean of Boys at my high school had been a very acomplished amateur boxer. The big loudmouth of our senior class, (you know, the guy with the tatoo who was already signed up to go into the Marines) mouthed off to the Dean during a visit while our PE class was doing boxing. Bad move.

The Dean didn't hurt the guy, but the idiot never laid a glove on the Dean.

50 posted on 08/19/2008 9:29:55 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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