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I'm absolutely convinced that there is a moral and ethical element to the issue of when a baby gets rights ... but deciding when a baby gets rights is above my pay grade ... so the first piece of legislation I will sign as president will wipe out all restrictions on killing unborn babies!

1 posted on 08/19/2008 6:14:10 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

If the MSM is forced to report this nObama is done, IMO. The DBM will be very careful and give McCain no opportunity to bring this up in the debates. Afterall, it’s not important/true/relevant until NYTimes, AP, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN etc. say that it is important.


2 posted on 08/19/2008 6:17:44 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( b/c Obama is just creepy.)
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To: Zakeet
These are the words of a man who is from the Utopia of Brave New World. He comes from nowhere , exists in nowhere, and is going to nowhere.

The only objection I have is that he wants to take the United States with him.

For that, he is my implacable enemy.

3 posted on 08/19/2008 6:19:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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A package of Born Alive bills was introduced three times during Obama’s tenure.

The cornerstone bill was the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which defined legal personhood. This definition was identical to the federal BAIPA (1) which was drafted from the definition of “live birth” created by the World Health Organization in 1950 (2) and adopted by the United Nations in 1955 (3)....

Here I will only post links to Obama’s actions and votes on the cornerstone bill, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. The bill number changed every year it was reintroduced.

2001

Senate Bill 1095 (4), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote (5) in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 28, 2001.

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (6), March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

Obama’s verbal oppostion to Born alive, (7) “And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.” March 30, 2001

Obama’s “present” vote on the IL Senate floor ( 8 ), March 30, 2001

2002

Senate Bill 1662 ( 9 ), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee (10) on March 6, 2002. (ABC inadvertently coped bill #1663, a companion bill. The vote for the Born Alive bill, #1662, was identical.)

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (11), April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor (12), April 4, 2002

2003

Senate Bill 1082 (13), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Democrats took control of the IL Senate with the 2002 elections. They sent Born Alive to the infamously liberal Health & Human Services Committee, chaired by Barack Obama (14).

As can be seen on the Actions docket (15), Obama held Born Alive on March 6, 2003, from even being voted on in committee. It is also important to note from the docket that on March 13, 2003, Obama stopped the senate sponsor from adding the lately discussed clarification paragraph (16) from the federal BAIPA, to make the bills absolutely identical.

1. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2175

2. http://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/indunder5mortality/en/

3. http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sconcerns/natality/natmethods.htm

4. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html

5. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_32701.pdf

6. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

7. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

8. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1095_03302001_030000T.PDF

9. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html

10. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_3502.pdf

11. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

12. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1662_04042002_014000T.pdf

13. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

14. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85

15. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

16. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=


4 posted on 08/19/2008 6:20:51 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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...but deciding when a baby gets rights is above my pay grade ...

I guess the proper thing to do then is to...

'ERR ON THE SAFE SIDE', right????

5 posted on 08/19/2008 6:21:15 AM PDT by stockstrader (CHANGE--a euphemism for further dividing our country along racial, social and economic lines)
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Very cute Senator:

"I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."

Yes, this is a situation where folks are lying: you and you handlers are lying.

7 posted on 08/19/2008 6:39:23 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Asked by Pastor Rick Warren when a baby gets rights, Obama said, "I'm absolutely convinced that there is a moral and ethical element to this issue." This is a crashing banality couched as thoughtfulness.

Whammo! Nain, hammer, head.

That's Obama. A big nothing. A zero. A platitude-spouting, neo-Marxist, empty suit.

It's shocking that Obama's blather passes for thoughtfulness with 45% of the voting public, that is, until you look at the demographics and realize that those closest to school-age are voting for this zero.

10 posted on 08/19/2008 7:14:45 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Zero-bama does have a point though: The White House is above his paygrade ... and always will be.
11 posted on 08/19/2008 7:16:23 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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The GOP could really hammer this guy on this if they just had the guts to do so.

This alone could sway the election results in our favor if done right.
13 posted on 08/19/2008 7:21:31 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: Zakeet
At Saddleback, Obama said determining when a baby gets rights is "above his pay grade."

Now we know why Obama voted present instead of yes or no on so many bills in the Illinois legislature. He wasn't paid enough!

14 posted on 08/19/2008 7:29:16 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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" . . . wipe out all restrictions on killing unborn born and unborn babies! "

There, fixed it.

15 posted on 08/19/2008 7:33:17 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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This man is even more dangerous than I thought:

In 2007, Obama told the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that the Freedom of Choice Act would be the first piece of legislation that he would sign as president. The act would not only codify Roe v. Wade, but wipe out all current federal, state and local restrictions on abortion that pass muster under Roe, including the Hyde Amendment prohibiting federal funding of abortion.

17 posted on 08/19/2008 8:28:28 AM PDT by fullchroma
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Nobama ping


19 posted on 08/19/2008 10:13:01 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: Zakeet; antonius

20 posted on 08/19/2008 10:51:32 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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