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More Women Than Ever Are Childless, Census Finds
New York Times ^ | August 18, 2008 | Katie Zezima

Posted on 08/19/2008 6:54:24 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Clemenza

I don’t know...I’m in ChesCo, and I’d put Lehigh County (particularly Easton and Allentown) higher on my list than Lancaster (though reading is pretty awful).


101 posted on 08/19/2008 9:10:44 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

No male-bashing intended (well,maybe just a little poking..LOL)...my manchild of 32 years is wonderful.:)


102 posted on 08/19/2008 9:12:26 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (BHO is DOA in NOV...IF McCain picks the right VP!!!)
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To: Clemenza
Christianity should also share some of the blame for destroying the religious consensus within the empire. I’m with Gibbon on that one.

You do realize that Gibbon was writing less a history than a polemic aimed specifically at Catholic scholars who took the polar opposite position. Unfortunately, the works of those scholars are largely inaccessible to the English speaking world, even to this day.

Christianity (and Constantine's recognition of it) allowed the Empire to get back on its feet for a century in the West, and a millenium years in the East. Constantine correctly understood that Christians were the only well of moral and cultural capital left in the empire. Plus, a sizeable chunk of the army was Christian--way out of proportion to their numbers in the general population.

If Christianity can be blamed for anything with regard to the fall, it is that the religion undermined the prior motivations to go to war in the first place during the late Republic/early Empire: fame, glory, wealth and plunder. Hence the largely defensive policy of Constantine's successors.

But it's really hard to argue against the cultural degeneracy argument considering it was made many ancient commentators writing at the time.
103 posted on 08/19/2008 9:14:40 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents give their children are siblings.)
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To: MrB

Where they openly stated these intentions? I can’t find anything on democratic websites. Where should I look — I would like to show this to some people who wouldn’t believe it without some type of backup.


104 posted on 08/19/2008 9:14:49 AM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Clemenza
Us GenXers are WAY outnumbered by both the boomers above us and the Yers/millenials below us. It sucks!

Don't worry about the Gen Y's in the work force. so many of theose people are functionally innumerate that the competition is thin.

105 posted on 08/19/2008 9:15:47 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Define yourself by what you do, not by your ideology, belief, origins, genitals, etc ....)
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To: Crystal Cove
Be Right Wing and Multiply

This birth gap presents a quandary for politically active liberals. Not wanting to be inconvenienced with raising their own children, they still want to see their ideas perpetuated. Professor Darren Sherkat of Southern Illinois University worries that because conservatives "who have lots of children" are not being matched by those on the political left who "may well not have kids," these demographic trends will push the country in a more conservative direction. (Data indicates that 80% of children end up adopting the political attitudes of their parents.) To counterbalance this trend, he argues for increasing immigration and expanding the black population. He also hopes that childless liberals will "be able to reproduce themselves in strangers," by taking on jobs as teachers, writers and other people of influence. The idea is to let conservatives raise their children, while liberals influence them through the schools and universities.

106 posted on 08/19/2008 9:19:45 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Centurion2000
Don't worry about the Gen Y's in the work force. so many of theose people are functionally innumerate that the competition is thin..

Yeah, but they're SO GOOD at PowerPoint and Excel and, like, know how to get 6,000 hits on MySpace!

Many of the Yers that work for/with me are technically knowledgeable (at least in terms of using windows applications), but a little arrogant considering their other deficiencies. It seems that we have intellectual degeneration with each successive generation.

107 posted on 08/19/2008 9:19:54 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Clemenza
I’m not Jewish, but I admire their prohibition on tattoos.

LOL.

The Jewish women I know that I find attractive are already spoken for

Well, I guess the big question is--what is attractive to you? If it's "a big chest and a nice butt," you may not be ready to get married. She probably won't still look like that in 20 years. If, on the contrary, it's "lots of common sense, a clean house, an eye for thrift, and a great sense of humor" you're probably ready.
108 posted on 08/19/2008 9:20:18 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents give their children are siblings.)
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To: Crystal Cove
Here's another one from a college prof:

“It seems to me that the regulative idea that we heirs of the Enlightenment, we Socratists, most frequently use to criticize the conduct of various conversational partners is that of ‘needing education in order to outgrow their primitive fear, hatreds, and superstitions’ . . . It is a concept which I, like most Americans who teach humanities or social science in colleges and universities, invoke when we try to arrange things so that students who enter as bigoted, homophobic, religious fundamentalists will leave college with views more like our own . . .

The fundamentalist parents of our fundamentalist students think that the entire ‘American liberal establishment’ is engaged in a conspiracy. The parents have a point. Their point is that we liberal teachers no more feel in a symmetrical communication situation when we talk with bigots than do kindergarten teachers talking with their students . . .

When we American college teachers encounter religious fundamentalists, we do not consider the possibility of reformulating our own practices of justification so as to give more weight to the authority of the Christian scriptures. Instead, we do our best to convince these students of the benefits of secularization.
We assign first-person accounts of growing up homosexual to our homophobic students for the same reasons that German schoolteachers in the postwar period assigned The Diary of Anne Frank. . .
You have to be educated in order to be . . . a participant in our conversation . . .
So we are going to go right on trying to discredit you in the eyes of your children, trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable.
We are not so inclusivist as to tolerate intolerance such as yours . . . I don’t see anything herrschaftsfrei [domination free] about my handling of my fundamentalist students.
Rather, I think those students are lucky to find themselves under the benevolent Herrschaft [domination] of people like me, and to have escaped the grip of their frightening, vicious, dangerous parents . . .
I am just as provincial and contextualist as the Nazi teachers who made their students read Der Stürmer; the only difference is that I serve a better cause.”

-‘Universality and Truth,’ in Robert B. Brandom (ed.), Rorty and his Critics (Oxford: Blackwell, 2000), pp. 21-2.


109 posted on 08/19/2008 9:21:40 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: reaganaut1
Hispanic women are the only group bucking the trends found in the study, averaging 2.3 children each by their 40s. The number of children a Hispanic woman has decreases sharply, however, depending on how many generations her family has lived in the United States, the data show.

Yes, and they also tend to INTERMARRY in large numbers from the third generation forward. Intermarriage is even higher among better educated immigrants (and especially their children) from South America.

2.3 children is not historically large. My grandfather was one of 12 children.

110 posted on 08/19/2008 9:22:19 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Clemenza

“Christianity should also share some of the blame for destroying the religious consensus within the empire”

religious consensus? the only religious consensus that existed prior to Christianity was that Caesar was supreme. instead God was made supreme which did change peoples outlook on government.

Is it a bad thing to stop supporting a government which kills thousands of people solely for entertainment purposes?


111 posted on 08/19/2008 9:30:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: wmfights

Also,watch how Mom treats Pop. I learned that the hard way. :0(


112 posted on 08/19/2008 9:42:04 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: MrB

Oh thanks. But that’s an opinion piece from a Canadian newspaper. I thought you were referring to an actual policy of the left.


113 posted on 08/19/2008 9:42:50 AM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Lol...I got a bunch...feel free to borrow one...teenager, not tattoo


114 posted on 08/19/2008 10:02:12 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Gathering of Eagles....its our turn.....)
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To: Antoninus
f, on the contrary, it's "lots of common sense, a clean house, an eye for thrift, and a great sense of humor" you're probably ready.

I've been married for 18 years, and I'm still attracted to the T&A thing. You'd have to be 90 to get turned on by lots of common sense or an eye for thrift.

115 posted on 08/19/2008 10:06:15 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas
I've been married for 18 years, and I'm still attracted to the T&A thing.

That stuff is a bonus if you can get it.

You'd have to be 90 to get turned on by lots of common sense or an eye for thrift.

Mature, perhaps, but not 90. Wait another 10 years. Big "fat deposits" tend to respond poorly to the force of gravity once a woman hits 50ish. If you're not attracted to her other attributes at that point, you may not be attracted to her at all.
116 posted on 08/19/2008 10:10:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents give their children are siblings.)
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To: Crystal Cove

The quote in the opinion piece is from a Southern Illinois University prof, and the other response is from a prof that taught at many universities in the US. They have actually stated the policy that they want liberals to pursue.

I hope you aren’t just blowing this off.

The left implements nearly all their agenda via stealth, and to ignore it because they keep it under cover for the most part will be cultural and national suicide, not to mention sacrificing your own kids to this indoctrination.


118 posted on 08/19/2008 10:46:35 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: tiki
It couldn’t be that women are giving away what used to be precious and MEN see no need to marry.

That's probably true.

Then again, if access to sex is the primary reason for some men to get married, are those men really marriage material?

"Gee honey, I'm not really sure about committing myself to you for the rest of my life...but if that's the only I can 'get some', well then I guess I'll do it."

I'd hate to hear that coming from someone I was dating. If she can't find enough reasons to marry me besides a need for my body, then I wouldn't want her as a spouse.

119 posted on 08/19/2008 11:24:26 AM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: reaganaut1

My question is, due to the fact that our population in particular woman have grown fatter and less attractive, doesn’t this cut down on the number of children born?


120 posted on 08/19/2008 11:27:17 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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