Skip to comments.Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
Posted on 08/19/2008 10:47:49 AM PDT by ncfool
Quebec City, Aug 14, 2008 / 09:48 am (CNA).- With the U.S. presidential race heating up and both John McCain and Barack Obama close to announcing their vice presidential nominees, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City says he hopes his warning of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius for her support of abortion, has alerted Obama that she is not a good advisor on the Catholic Church.
While he was in Quebec City, Canada for the Knights of Columbus annual conference, Archbishop Naumann took time to explain to CNA the intricacies of his decision to ask the Kansas governor to refrain from receiving Communion.
Writing in the May 9 issue of The Leaven, the Archdiocese of Kansas Citys newspaper, Archbishop Naumann said that because of the governors support for legalized abortion, he had asked her to refrain from receiving Holy Communion until she makes a worthy confession and publicly repudiates her stand on abortion. He later clarified that his request to her was not directed toward one particular action, but rather, it concerned her 30-year history of advocating and acting in support of legalized abortion.
When you stand before God
There are many goods you are trying to weigh. Where you have someone in public life who is not living in their public responsibilities consistent with the Catholic faith, I think you are concerned about that individual, he began.
One of the things that I said when I met with the governor at one point, is that some day shes going to have to stand before God and account for her public service. And I hope that shes going to have something better to say than what she does to this point on the protection of the innocent unborn. But I said if you go to God and you say, Well, I didnt understand how important this was or I didnt understand that this was such a crucial issue then as your bishop Im the one responsible because I didnt do enough to try and make sure of that. I told her I wasnt comfortable with that and so I wanted to make sure that she understood what a serious matter this was.
The concern for the archbishop is multi-layered, ranging from the individual involved to the rest of his flock. I think you have concern for that individual and in wanting to try to bring about enlightenment and conversion. You also have a concern for the rest of your people. Thats the problem with the individual thats in a public position. When they act contradictory to their faith, then it can create within the Church what the Church means by scandal, which means leading others into error.
According to Archbishop Naumann, he received letters from people who were requesting that she be excommunicated immediately even before he asked Gov. Sebelius not to receive Communion. Yet, Naumann says he isnt really concerned about these people because they know Sebelius actions arent in keeping with the Catholic faith.
Its all the people that arent writing, who worry the archbishop. Frankly after the pastoral action I did take with the governor, the Kansas City archbishop related, there were several [people] who communicated with me that, we didnt realize how extreme she was.
I also am concerned about young Catholics that are thinking about public service and public life, he said. The archbishops message to the younger generation of Catholic is that, they cant go the road of these so-called pro-choice Catholic politicians and really be faithful to your faith.
The archbishops dialogue with Sebelius
Lest anyone think that Archbishop Naumanns public correction of Gov. Sebelius was an impulsive decision, he made clear that he was in conversation with her for a couple years and that the discussions took place at various levels.
As he explained to CNA, To my mind, you have to pursue it in that way; you have to attempt to meet with the individual, instruct the individual, make sure that youve given them every chance to consider their position before you take extreme action.
When he was asked if Kathleen Sebelius has honored his request, the Catholic leader of Kansas City said that she has. To my knowledge, she hasnt gone to Communion since this second request to her so in that sense from an indirect way shes honoring the request.
However, the governor has not kept the lines of communication open with Archbishop Naumann since his request in May. According to Naumann, she has not communicated with me at this point at all and shes told other people in the media that shes going to respond to me personally, but that hasnt happened at this time.
A bad counselor for Obama
What I found out after I took the pastoral action with Governor Sebelius is that Senator Obama had her on his advisory committee for Catholics, recalled the archbishop.
I wasnt aware of that [beforehand], he said, but I hope that it alerted Senator Obama that this is not probably somebody that can really counsel you in terms of the mind and the heart of the Church on this very critical and important area.
So I think it would be a bad judgment on Senator Obamas part to select someone who was in conflict with the Church.
Turning his attention to Catholic voters and the upcoming election, Archbishop Naumann advised them to bring their values in to the voting booth. If Catholics do this, we can have a serious impact on the positions that the individuals and parties are taking, he said.
Theres a lot at stake in the elections, observed Naumann.
I think that the political parties read the results of the election and then put an interpretation on it. After this election, theyre either going to think we need to be more aware of these values about the sanctity of human life; the importance of marriage and its traditional understanding being upheld or theyre going to think these are things we can either ignore or the tide is with us to go against what has really been the tradition of Western civilization.
She has hosted at her Topeka home the Abortion Doctor from Kansas and accepted funds from him. So if Kathleen Sebelius is his choice this should be a fun time of seeing how they clean up her image.
Moral arguments are meaningless to amoral people.
I seriously doubt that Obama would care if Kathleen Sebellius is a ‘bad Catholic advisor’.
Huh. I didn’t even know Sebelius was supposedly Catholic. She (and the rest of the KS RATS) are totally owned by Tiller the late-term killer. She’s taken a lot of money from him.
True, but I like his technique for the matter of instructing other Catholics; he takes on some of the responsibility for this if she is unclear about the Church’s teaching on the matter.
Essentially, he has clarified and is “off the hook” for her actions.
This probably won’t carry a great deal of water for Sebelius, but maybe it will have an impact on other Catholics and Christians ~ before the day when they “stand before God”.
In our hearts we should pray for her to convert, even in our rational minds we know that she will probably cling to the desperate path that she has already taken.
You may be right, but I’m glad to see someone in church heirarchy with a pair.
These are Democrats, she supports abortion. Her image doesn't need cleaning up.
Ms. Sebellius, I suppose, is entitled to her own opinion. However, if she doesn’t support the teachings of her church, she should do the right thing and leave it. She is not a Catholic. Catholics follow the teachings of their church. Not only does not follow those teachings personally, she is ALSO a strong opponent of them. This is logically inconsistent.
But then trying to talk logic with people who don’t believe that human life begins at the moment of conception is a waste of time. People who ignore simple biological facts because they are not politically expedient are morally compromised.
Abortion and the twisted and sick way the liberal left has convinced many otherwise decent American women that it is a “right” of their to terminate the life within them is one of the greatest sins of our age. But when you ALSO tell people that sex is merely a form of “entertainment” you have to find a way to dispose of the unwanted results. And abortion is just that - disposing of an “inconvenient” life.
Sebelius... Isn’t that from the choral chant in the movie soundtrack to the Omen? /sarc
The refrain to the chant is, “Sanguis bibimus, corpus edimus, tolle corpus Satani” (Latin, “We drink the blood, we eat the flesh, raise the body of Satan”), interspersed with cries of “Ave Satani!” and “Versus Christus” (Latin, “Hail, Satan!” and “Hail, Antichrist!”).
The problem as I see it, is that the politics are outweighing the morality on this issue because Democrats have tied themselves to it at the hip.
I could not tell you what will happen, but I don't think it looks very good. Not for any religion.
Yet it is interesting to me that abortion rates have been declining in the face of it all. That is interesting and may indicate that public stances, and private actions may be disconnected.
THIS is why Islam is making inroads in the west.
People need a religion to believe in which offers salvation and clear definitions of what is right and wrong.
Too many mainstream Protestant Churches and too many individual American Catholic Priests have strayed into the realm of political action and feel-good Christianity. God may love us all, but He certainly DOESN’T love the evil we do.
As long as the Christian churches continue on the path of political activism and moral relativism, they will lose more and more adherents and many of these will wind up in the serpentine snares of Islam.
“THIS is why Islam is making inroads in the west.
People need a religion to believe in which offers salvation and clear definitions of what is right and wrong.”
And Islam is this religion?
Archbishop Naumann could give some advice and counsel to Doug Kmiec on this score as well.
She’s just a disgrace, and if she is nominated it might be a good thing because she and BHO will ignite the pro life movement.
The “moderate” Sebelius is opposed to the death penalty, despite some of the most horrible crimes being committed in her state. How she can support life for the ‘Wichita Horror’ rapist/murderers of Dec 2000 while saying babies should die is beyond me. The GOP ought to hit her on this.
Yes that is correct. The one people who I know that converted to Islam converted because she saw Muslims as more devote. There is a great schism coming in this country especially if the prevalent dominance of moral relativism in public and political life reaches full ascendancy. People will just go nuts.
She says he opposes the death penalty due to her Catholic teachings. Go figure.
Aside from the nutty killings and bombing commited by radical Islamofascists, Islam presents a benign face towards new converts. It opposes homosexuality and other sexual perversions, it offers a cleary defined code of what is morall acceptable and what is not, and it makes no pretence of attempting to compromise its values.
YOU and I are aware of its many intrinsic failings - the intolernace, cruelty, inequality, violence, atavism, etc. which are ALSO spawned by the Koran. But THAT is probably presented in a positive light to new recruits when they compare their moral “values” with those of the degenerate nominal Christians who have allowed their morality to be eroded by a secural “humanist” state.
The proof is in the pudding. More non-Muslims convert to Islam in non-Islamic countries than Muslim immigrants convert to Christianity.
And I blame this, in part, on the lack of clear, definitive moral leadership on the part of Christian churches which feed their congregants a pablum of moral relativism.
Years ago, Christian churches spoke out against homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, etc. They supported patriotism and law and order. Today that is reversed.
Lousy leftist governor. Great composer.
Very, very well stated. Even Christian teaching has become politically correct. Don’t forget that you have to be “nice” to each other and don’t offend each other, not even Satan.
Unfortunately, Kmiec is in Mahony’s land. Mahony probably agrees with him. Nothing will happen.
I wish Archbishop Naumann would officially declare Sebelius has excommunicated herself by her actions. He said as much in details, but he needs to come out and say it. I am not a big fan of this tactic but there are times when it needs to be done and this is one of those times.
i agree, i wish he would. did you hear kmiec’s latest? came out as “disappointed in obama” for criticizing clarence thomas? he appears to be enjoying the face time he is getting for his about face on conservative issues.
I don’t know that American Catholics are any more fragmented than any other religion or denomination. Certainly, there are a large ratio of those who disregard the teachings of the Magesterium to suit their own desires. Maybe these individuals are a little more publicized. Regardless, Catholic teaching is very clear on the matter, maybe this isn’t so with other denominations. It seems to me that many easily disregard this Church teaching on abortion, something that cannot be very comfortably rationalized. Other cafeteria items are important to Catholics, but maybe don’t involve what I consider to be murder.
I’ve had an opportunity to discuss issues with folks of other denominations. I used to work in Baltimore, and when I ran into African-American Christians (I simply assumed that these might be AMEs or Baptists, but really wasn’t sure). I would talk to them about such issues and others represented by the Democratic Party, but contrary to Christian values (such as homosexual marriage). They would agree with my moral arguments on these issues, but then tell me that they planned to vote Dem.
My own mother, a devout Catholic, and olde-tyme “trade union” Democrat could never come to terms with voting for a Republican all the way up until her death in 2000, when the Democrats were an empty caracature of “sticking up for the little man”.
I used to try to and figure all this stuff out and square it in my own mind; to see if I could understand the way liberals think. I don’t waste my time anymore.
I don’t really believe that Catholic politicians who publicly advocate abortion at all costs (a la Sebelius, Kennedy, Kerry, et al) should be considered to be Catholic ~ I feel the same way about other Christian denominations.
I don’t think Barack Obama is a real Christian. I think that he’s playing at one to garner votes. He strikes me as a dishonest person who will say anything to become president and do whatever he wants once he is elected.
I did not address others like Methodists, but when you look at their DC office's statements and what goes on in the local church, there is always a disconnect.
I don't pretend to understand either. I don't. It does not seem logical at all.
It's largely why I shun the organized religions. I just don't get the hypocrisy, so I don't participate.