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Calif. court: Homosexual rights trump religious freedom
One News Now ^ | August 19, 2008 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 08/19/2008 6:38:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The same California Supreme Court that created a "right" to homosexual "marriage" earlier this year has now ruled that the state may force healthcare professionals to provide services that support an immoral and physically dangerous lifestyle.

California's highest court was unanimous in its decision on Monday that Christian doctors may not refuse to perform artificial insemination for homosexual patients. (See "California court says no religious exemption for doctors") Attorney Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute (PJI), reacts to the ruling.

"This is a clear violation of the fundamental rights of individuals to live and practice their faith," he states bluntly. "Forcing doctors to have to choose between being a doctor and being a Christian in the State of California is an outrageous violation of the fundamental rights of every American to be able to practice their faith and not to have to leave their occupation because of it."

In the case in question, the Christian doctors refused to perform artificial insemination on a lesbian patient, but did refer her to another doctor who would perform the elective treatment. Dacus says that proves this suit was not about guaranteeing "healthcare" for homosexuals, but instead about punishing Christians for obeying God's Word.

"This is not about denying people services," the attorney argues. "This is, instead, about the 'thought police' attempting to censor Christian beliefs and Christian perspectives that don't agree with homosexuality. We're talking...about individuals being able to force doctors or other professionals to violate their faith in order to keep their job." And that, he adds, is a clear violation of the rights of individuals to be able to practice their expertise and, at the same time, not to have to deny their faith.

The PJI president says the ruling is quite broad and will apply to almost every profession in the state, meaning that Christian professionals and service providers -- childcare providers, for instance -- will be forced to provide services to homosexuals that support their immoral lifestyle and clearly violate biblical standards.

"For example, lawyers who are engaging in marriage and family law can now be forced to [execute] documents for homosexuals adopting children...," Dacus offers. "And individual with a wedding service, despite their Christian faith to the contrary, can now be forced to conduct wedding services and wedding preparations for lesbian or homosexual male couples."

Dacus says the case is certain to be appealed. "This just goes to show how critically important it is for us in the United States to have a Supreme Court that is not against those who practice the Christian faith but, instead, understands what the Constitution is about and [do] not engage in outrageous judicial activism," he says.


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Court: Lesbians' desires trump doctors' religious rights
1 posted on 08/19/2008 6:38:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
the law might say you have to treat them, but it says nothing about calling them filthy disease ridden queers while doing it...
2 posted on 08/19/2008 6:42:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Chode

“the law might say you have to treat them, but it says nothing about calling them filthy disease ridden queers while doing it...”

Not yet, but thats the next thing. Do that in Canada and you will go to jail.


3 posted on 08/19/2008 6:44:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Chode

LOL!

Just make sure no one else hears you or your malpractice premiums will suddenly triple. ;-)


4 posted on 08/19/2008 6:46:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: driftdiver

“the law might say you have to treat them, but it says nothing about calling them filthy disease ridden queers while doing it...”

Not yet, but thats the next thing. Do that in Canada and you will go to jail.
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If this country is STUPID enough to put a raving liberal socialist nutcase in the White House, we will have the THOUGHT POLICE crawling in and out of every opening we have. It is their goal. It is how they want to control their POWER.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 6:46:38 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think we should reverse this on them. Find a gay business owner and force them to support a straight cause.


6 posted on 08/19/2008 6:47:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: EagleUSA

“If this country is STUPID enough to put a raving liberal socialist nutcase in the White House, we will have the THOUGHT POLICE crawling in and out of every opening we have.”

yep we will be told what to think, what to eat, what to wear and what temp to put our AC on.


7 posted on 08/19/2008 6:48:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
That's what the secularists of the day thought at Sodom & Gomorrah, and look what happened to them.
9 posted on 08/19/2008 6:52:07 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
These are optional procedures and should be appealed. Doctors should treat any one who is sick. These women are not sick. Well not physically.
10 posted on 08/19/2008 6:52:36 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.***)
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To: Morgana; Chode

I thought Chode’s turn of phrase sounded familiar...


11 posted on 08/19/2008 6:52:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: driftdiver

We may be told that, does not mean we have to obey. The second amendment backs up the first.


13 posted on 08/19/2008 6:55:07 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: EagleUSA
a raving liberal socialist nutcase

Which one?

15 posted on 08/19/2008 6:56:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: doc1019
i believe you, but on what grounds?
16 posted on 08/19/2008 6:56:56 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

-PJ

17 posted on 08/19/2008 7:00:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Obama's "citizen of the world" is the 2008 version of Kerry's "global test.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It may be time for those non-SF types to vacate this lala land for good. Plenty of good places to go to.


18 posted on 08/19/2008 7:02:26 PM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: ThomasThomas

They need the crazy people doctor.


19 posted on 08/19/2008 7:03:37 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: nickcarraway

a raving liberal socialist nutcase
Which one?
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Clearly, the very worst one...the one that wants to tax the American citizen out his/her wealth, property and rights...just for openers.


20 posted on 08/19/2008 7:03:39 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I imagine the real issue here was physicians refusing to treat individuals with AIDS.

Few people are aware that a lot of dentists and surgeons have been terrified of HIV for many years now. Some were infected. And this became a menace to public health as a whole because some who became infected continued to practice, even when they developed neurological degeneration due to AIDS. This is *not* something you want to have happen to a dentist or surgeon operating on you.

From the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke:

“The virus does not appear to directly invade nerve cells but it jeopardizes their health and function. The resulting inflammation may damage the brain and spinal cord and cause symptoms such as confusion and forgetfulness, behavioral changes, severe headaches, progressive weakness, loss of sensation in the arms and legs, and stroke.

“Cognitive motor impairment or damage to the peripheral nerves is also common. Research has shown that the HIV infection can significantly alter the size of certain brain structures involved in learning and information processing.

“Other nervous system complications that occur as a result of the disease or the drugs used to treat it include pain, seizures, shingles, spinal cord problems, lack of coordination, difficult or painful swallowing, anxiety disorder, depression, fever, vision loss, gait disorders, destruction of brain tissue, and coma. These symptoms may be mild in the early stages of AIDS but can become progressively severe.

In the United States , neurological complications are seen in more than 40 percent of adult patients with AIDS...”

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/aids/detail_aids.htm


21 posted on 08/19/2008 7:03:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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“The virus does not appear to directly invade nerve cells but it jeopardizes their health and function. The resulting inflammation may damage the brain and spinal cord and cause symptoms such as confusion and forgetfulness, behavioral changes, severe headaches, progressive weakness, loss of sensation in the arms and legs, and stroke.

“Cognitive motor impairment or damage to the peripheral nerves is also common. Research has shown that the HIV infection can significantly alter the size of certain brain structures involved in learning and information processing.

“Other nervous system complications that occur as a result of the disease or the drugs used to treat it include pain, seizures, shingles, spinal cord problems, lack of coordination, difficult or painful swallowing, anxiety disorder, depression, fever, vision loss, gait disorders, destruction of brain tissue, and coma. These symptoms may be mild in the early stages of AIDS but can become progressively severe.

You ought to repeat this to any teen that tells you he or she is considering becoming sexually active.

22 posted on 08/19/2008 7:06:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: Chode

Trust me, malpractice lawyers are a conniving and malicious (code for money hungry) bunch and have taken verbal remarks all the way to multimillion-dollar settlements. Call a patient “fat” or “whiney” or suggest (gads), they give up some vice (drinking, smoking … yes, even illegal drug usage) and you could kiss you practice goodbye. ;-)


23 posted on 08/19/2008 7:07:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I can tell by the intelligent discourse on the thread that we got the homos on the run. However, I believe it was the policy of the two doctors to not do AI on any single patients. That included homos and heteros.

I agree with the doctor's. They are giving some thought and care to the act of helping bring another person in the world and requiring the patient to demonstrate the support of two parents. Best for the child.

That's where the court bombed.

24 posted on 08/19/2008 7:09:06 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: doc1019
so the lawyers are practicing medicine now... prolly the same ones that will sue you cause you DIDN'T tell your patient he needed to quit dope, booze, smoking etc before he had a heart attack, lung cancer, liver disease.

why am i NOT surprised???

25 posted on 08/19/2008 7:18:16 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Chode

Now you understand the conundrum.


26 posted on 08/19/2008 7:22:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Dacus says the case is certain to be appealed. "This just goes to show how critically important it is for us in the United States to have a Supreme Court that is not against those who practice the Christian faith but, instead, understands what the Constitution is about and [do] not engage in outrageous judicial activism," he says.

REMEMBER!!!!

27 posted on 08/19/2008 7:30:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It says Congress can’t deny religious freedom. It doesn’t say anything about the courts.

Now pay your taxes and Vote Obama. :)


28 posted on 08/19/2008 7:32:48 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...”

Precisely why this will end up overturned in the USSC. I hope! (fingers crossed)


29 posted on 08/19/2008 7:35:41 PM PDT by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: diverteach

They will probably lose on the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause whichs trumps the 1st.

My guess.


30 posted on 08/19/2008 7:54:22 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Any teen is unlikely to become infected with HIV via sex than they are through intravenous drug use. And to be honest with them, there are far more common, serious warnings they need to be given about sex, both in general and specific to venereal diseases.

There is a frightening assembly of STDs that are relatively unknown to most children, whose common effects can be permanent, such as herpes and genital warts, lead to sterility like gonorrhea, can cause severe birth defects in their children, and can otherwise mess them up, like chlamydia, which can result in life threatening cervical cancer.

And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of unwanted pregnancy.

HIV is fairly low on the totem pole, unless children associate with some real trashy people. That they don’t associate with them, even holding their behavior in some degree of contempt, is a very good way for them to avoid a LOT of problems.


31 posted on 08/19/2008 7:56:41 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Two things....if we sit around and allow it to happen it’ll damn sure happen. It’s sad that Cesspoolifornication is too far gone. Good people have fought the good fight there, but it should be a lesson to people living in ALL states...a model if you will.

Would everyone in my home state of Georgia just say....”Oh well I’m just gonna move elsewhere and let the psychos have the place”?

HELL no! We’d FIGHT!

Another point, this insanity HAS to one day go to the SCOTUS, there’s got to be clarification to mindless liberals that Christians need NOT hide in private from them, or we’re disallowed from public view, or that our kids have to have rampant homosexuality rammed down their throats, as evidenced by THIS crap to forcibly removing crosses from town logos, Christmas trees removed from public view...etc. etc. etc.

godless liberals need to understand Christians won’t be pushed around anymore and our culture and heritage will no longer be dismantled before our eyes!

So if you stay home on McCain it very well could be that it’ll come back to haunt you in the future because the SCOTUS might be short one conservative vote from running you off your own land!


32 posted on 08/19/2008 8:00:41 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: bestintxas

You don’t feel this way about Texas do you?


33 posted on 08/19/2008 8:04:22 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tyranny.


34 posted on 08/19/2008 9:34:16 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Wikipedia: The Truth Was Out There, but it was reverted...)
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To: tpanther

Yes, Texas is one of those places. I also have lived in CA for awhile and found the people and land great buy the leadership and taxes poor.


35 posted on 08/20/2008 5:46:41 AM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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