Posted on 08/20/2008 7:12:04 AM PDT by T-Bird45
Only answers some of the questions related to the letter requesting "voluntary" cooperation and police procedures used to get the gun owner info from gun shops and pawn shops.
Direct evidence that Form 4473 constitutes a defacto gun registry. The storage requirements alone exceed any legitimate use except as a registry. I am amazed that no one has brought forth a challenge along that line.
You've got to be joking.
has anyone mentioned why the dealers released the 4473’s?
I see police work happening here. If a brand new BMW 335i was used to run over a few kids and all they had to go on was the make and color of the car of course they are going to go to the local dealership and ask who bought that make model in the past year. Or, should justice be denied the innocent because we don’t want intrusion into our lives by government? In this case the cops are using reasoning to limit their search to certain areas given the specific elements of the crime.
On what authority? If I were a gun owner - I would sue because my privacy rights had been violated.
Only in a police state can they expect the killer to show up for the test, or all but the killer to show.
The other 15 or so gun owners who did not show up will be checked by the OSBI to see why they didn't volunteer for the test firings.
So does their lack of cooperation constitute probable cause towards obtaining a search warrant to seize the guns in question?
You may not understand that 'justice' sometimes REQUIRES that the guilty go free. Until you understand and embrace that, you cannot understand liberty.
For example, a person commits a murder, and the only person who saw the crime is the suspect. According to the 5th amendment, the government connot coerce him into providing the convicting evidence against himself. He will go free.
Otherwise, you cannot imagine the horrors the govt can perpetrate on other innocents.
“rounding people up for interrogation in dank rooms”
The people who did not “volunteer” will get coercive visits from LEO, to see if “eventually they will cooperate”.
No.
I really don't see the problem here...
So everyone is a suspect until they come in and prove their innocence?
Do you read what you write?
How do you know? How do you explain to a judge that declining an invitation makes someone guilty? Unless the judge sucks then he/she cannot grant a warrant based on that. If the judge does then we have a bigger problem, aka a corrupt judiciary. On the other hand, if one of the people who doesn’t cooperate with the investigation happened to know the kids then that’s a red flag, no? Maybe there was some issue with the girls or a member of their family?
Means, motive and opportunity. Without all 3 it’s hard to convict someone of a crime.
THEN WHY are the police wasting valuable time harassing local law-abiding citizens rather than trying to pursue meaningful leads?
No. These cops are using this as a diversion to make it look like they're doing something (to placate people like you two who just want to see action NOW and will never check back to see about results), knowing that they won't actually have to apprehend a dangerous murderer...and still get to pursue their SAFE pet peeve of lording over their authoritarianism against local law-abiding 'free' citizens.
Your excerpt doesn’t lead to the conclusion to reached.
Try again.
Once again you offer assumption without any real proof.
How do you manage to stay awake long enough to post the way your knee jerks up so hard and fast?
I would not have volunteered to have my weapon checked. Depending upon the “heat” police are getting from the local area, anything could happen in that testing room. My gun which hasn’t been fired in a year or more could suddenly be declared the murder weapon. So the public is satified, the police are heroes and I am innocent and screwed. No thanks. We are watching our federal govt, lead by our own president, persecuting marines as “war criminals” for Gods sake. Such despicable abuses of power do not lend themselves to a warm fuzzy feeling about ones potential treatment at the hands of the powers that be.
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