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Obama attacks McCain but fails to sway VFW crowd
McClatchy ^ | August 20, 2008 | Margaret Talev

Posted on 08/20/2008 7:29:41 AM PDT by cdchik123

Democrat Barack Obama used his appearance Tuesday at a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention to attack Republican John McCain's critique of him to the group a day earlier - but got a cooler reception than did the Vietnam veteran running against him for president.

Obama denied McCain's assertions that he was for failure in Iraq, or shifting his anti-war stance out of expediency, or in any way basing his foreign policy on a strategy to win the presidency. "Let's have a serious debate, and let's debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks," Obama said.

Obama said he wouldn't attack McCain's pro-war motives because "I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America's national interest" and that "now, it's time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same. I will let no one question my love of this country."

`SNIP`

But McCain was the clear favorite among the predominately older, white male crowd, and there was little indication that Obama's speech changed minds. Fewer VFW members attended Obama's remarks than McCain's - due at least partly to heavy rain and hurricane and tornado threats.

Meanwhile, many of the veterans left the hall with frowns on their faces.

"You don't want to know what I think," said one. "I don't have anything nice to say," said another.

Sam Compton, an Air Force veteran who served in Vietnam, said Obama "seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth" when he calls for bringing Iraq troops home and focusing more on domestic priorities, then talks about the need to redeploy troops to Afghanistan. "McCain in my personal opinion has more experience on foreign affairs than Obama and has served in the military. I think that's important."

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KEYWORDS: 2008; democrats; elections; foreignpolicy; nobama08; obama; obamasama; osamabama; veterans; veteransvote; vets; vfw
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1 posted on 08/20/2008 7:29:42 AM PDT by cdchik123
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To: cdchik123
"Let's have a serious debate, and let's debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks," Obama said.

Pretty bold statement given the attack ad Obama is running in Florida.

2 posted on 08/20/2008 7:31:09 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: cdchik123
"Let's have a serious debate, and let's debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks," Obama said.

Is Obama inviting McCain to have a townhall meeting in front of the VFW?

3 posted on 08/20/2008 7:32:57 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: cdchik123

“has served in the military. I think that’s important.”

For Vets - that sums it up why few would vote for him and the report last week that active military were siding with Obama were false.


4 posted on 08/20/2008 7:33:35 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: NonValueAdded
Pretty bold statement given the attack ad Obama is running in Florida.

Bingo!

Just love how UH-bama wants to "Bring a responsible end to the war in Iraq."

AND...

Go to his website to "read the plan" since he can't say what it is in public.

5 posted on 08/20/2008 7:34:46 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: cdchik123

He doesn’t know he’s dealing with an egotistical bluffer, whose whole persona is a confabulation of Other People stolen “cool”? He’s an Abby Normal construct of a politician...Stealing from JFK, MLK, Wright, Lincoln, etc...He’s a Mojo vampire.

“Above my pay grade!”...When was he *ever* employed or worked in any job that he dealt with ‘pay grade level responsibilities”?? What a load! He stole the line because he thought it would make him sound cool, and like he had military/executive level...”chops”.

If you took away everything from his personality and his speeches, his polies, and his “cool” that he stole from *OTHER PEOPLE*...There’d be nuthin much left.


6 posted on 08/20/2008 7:34:49 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I believe Obama said several months ago that he would debate Mc Cain anywhere, anytime. Like this hallow statement, I guess he means anything but face to face debates.


7 posted on 08/20/2008 7:35:33 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: cdchik123

Mr. Obama is a thin-skinned dilettante who doesn’t know that politics is a blood sport.

He’s not tough enough to run a Steak & Ale.


8 posted on 08/20/2008 7:35:46 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Yup, ORAG, he said that in May, 2008.

Good catch.


9 posted on 08/20/2008 7:36:35 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: cdchik123
Fewer VFW members attended Obama's remarks than McCain's - due at least partly to heavy rain and hurricane and tornado threats.

It was the weather that dampened the O's turnout. Yeah, that's the ticket!

10 posted on 08/20/2008 7:36:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("It's not my fault if McCain loses - it's his own damn fault!" - Mark Levin)
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To: cdchik123
“Let's have a serious debate, and let's debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks,” Obama said.

Pretty funny as this c**t is afraid to debate McCain.

11 posted on 08/20/2008 7:36:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: cdchik123
Obama denied McCain's assertions that he was for failure in Iraq, ....

The historical record speaks for itself:

Published JAN 30, 2007: Obama wants troops home by spring ’08 ……. Illinois senator, presidential candidate introduces bill to force redeployment

12 posted on 08/20/2008 7:36:44 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: cdchik123
"You don't want to know what I think," said one. "I don't have anything nice to say," said another.

Hehehehehe...

Sam Compton, an Air Force veteran who served in Vietnam, said Obama "seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth"

Seems?!

13 posted on 08/20/2008 7:37:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: cdchik123
Democrat Barack Obama used his appearance Tuesday at a Veterans of Foreign Wars

Is Obamasiah seeing dead people again?

14 posted on 08/20/2008 7:39:17 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: cdchik123

“Fewer VFW members attended Obama’s remarks than McCain’s - due at least partly to heavy rain and hurricane and tornado threats. “

Right. Let’s blame the rain.


15 posted on 08/20/2008 7:40:57 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: cdchik123

“Fewer VFW members attended Obama’s remarks than McCain’s - due at least partly to heavy rain and hurricane and tornado threats.”

He He He

Bad grammar too.


16 posted on 08/20/2008 7:40:57 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.***)
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To: RexBeach

“He’s not tough enough to run a Steak & Ale.”

I think the Steak & Ale chain went out of business. Hopefully Obama will also be soon out of business.


17 posted on 08/20/2008 7:41:35 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: cdchik123
NBC is sure to open their package thusly...

Senator Obama received a chilly reception during a recent speech at the VFW Post. The audience, mostly older, white and male seemed dour and unmoved by the senator's inspiring words. Members of the audience remarked later about their reservations for the first black candidate for president.

18 posted on 08/20/2008 7:42:34 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: cdchik123
“...let's debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks,”

That sounds like McCain won't be permitted to challenge his political opponent on his policies and views, because ANY statement by McCain (especially those too painfully close to home for Obama) will be construed as ‘personal’ attacks. Pardon me for noticing, but isn't political campaigning by definition, a matter of candidates challenging each other's positions? How is it a personal attack on Obama if McCain accurately revisits Obama’s own statements??? Explain this please.

19 posted on 08/20/2008 7:45:17 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: cdchik123
I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America's national interest" and that "now, it's time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same.

True leaders don't seek out affirmation from others.

Comments like this make Obambi look very weak.

20 posted on 08/20/2008 7:46:13 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: cdchik123
Audio of Obama's VFW Reception
21 posted on 08/20/2008 7:47:19 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: edcoil

I am retired Navy and know hundreds of other vets. Three (3) say they will vote for Obama. LOL!


22 posted on 08/20/2008 7:48:33 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: cdchik123

So, it is now a personal attack to point out that Obama, on the record, has said that he was against the war, then that he doesn’t know how he would have voted had he been in the Senate in 2003, that his position in 2004 was “essentially the same as President Bush’s”, then when it didn’t look so great before it was clear the surge worked that he was “against this war from the beginning”? He can try to keep lying by denying that he has shifted his position, but it is there in his interviews while running for office.


23 posted on 08/20/2008 7:48:50 AM PDT by mak5
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To: cdchik123

Obama KNOWS who the vets will VOTE for and it will not be him.


24 posted on 08/20/2008 7:48:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: edcoil

We must ensure that Obama does not suppress the military overseas vote!


25 posted on 08/20/2008 7:49:15 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: DGHoodini
“If you took away everything from his personality and his speeches, his polies, and his “cool” that he stole from *OTHER PEOPLE*...There’d be nuthin much left.”

Actually I think there would be a huge personality deficit if you took all the other folk's stuff away.

THe big O. Zero. Nada. Niente. Uhn - Gatz.

Negative personality units.

26 posted on 08/20/2008 7:54:41 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: SMARTY
I would challenge ObaHamas to cite one instance in which McCain attacked his patriotism ... ever.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it ...." Barak Obama Goebbels.

27 posted on 08/20/2008 7:56:30 AM PDT by sofaman (Obama "Inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity & gifted with an egotistical imagination")
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To: pabianice
Three (3) say they will vote for Obama.

Sounds like you have some work to do! :-) I have one veteran friend who is still "walking toward the light," but I'm hopeful he'll come around by November.

28 posted on 08/20/2008 8:02:33 AM PDT by impeachedrapist
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To: impeachedrapist

a black friend, and veteran, who for all the world sounds like a conservative in everything he does...is voting for Obama...and I pretty much was told by him, I got to vote for the brother.


29 posted on 08/20/2008 8:07:32 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“Let’s have a serious debate, and let’s debate our disagreements on the merits of policy - not personal attacks,” Obama said.”

Have you heard him say that about 5 or 6 subjects yet he keeps avoiding debates!


30 posted on 08/20/2008 8:08:29 AM PDT by Holicheese (Rasdower, Zap Rasdower!)
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To: Vaquero

My friend’s white. We both have time to convince them of their errors. :-)


31 posted on 08/20/2008 8:09:21 AM PDT by impeachedrapist
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To: cdchik123

Obama tries too hard to tailor his message to the audience that after a few days all that is left has the firmness of jello...


32 posted on 08/20/2008 8:09:52 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: cdchik123

If he was abandoned his church of twenty years for the sake of politics how long before he abandons his country?


33 posted on 08/20/2008 8:10:25 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: cdchik123

‘Let’s have a serious debate...ah..ah..umm..well, ahh...’ - Obama


34 posted on 08/20/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Vaquero

Ask him not waste it on Obama but wait for Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell...


35 posted on 08/20/2008 8:11:58 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Phlap
how long before he abandons his country?

he already abandoned his country.

36 posted on 08/20/2008 8:13:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: cdchik123

“””””Democrat Barack Obama used his appearance Tuesday at a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention to attack Republican John McCain’s critique of him to the group a day earlier - but got a cooler reception than did the Vietnam veteran running against him for president””””

When MSM starts using lead ins like the above, those words are not good for the Obama Camp. The words could be reduced to headlines:

OBAMA ATTACKS NAVY VETERAN MCCAIN.

OBAMA GETS COOL RECEPTION FROM VETERANS.


37 posted on 08/20/2008 8:19:18 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Remember this?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-milspouse_04pol.ART.State.Edition2.4d7f936.html

McCain accepted. “Anytime Anywhere” Barry ran and hid.


38 posted on 08/20/2008 8:23:36 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

You forgot:

Senator Obama received a chilly reception during a recent speech at the VFW Post. The audience, mostly older, white and male seemed dour and unmoved by the senator’s inspiring words. Members of the audience remarked later about their reservations for the first black candidate for president. As everyone knows, older white men are always racists and hate young upstart black men because they are afraid they will date their daughters and leave them after they get them pregnant and hooked on meth anphetamins!


39 posted on 08/20/2008 8:23:40 AM PDT by Holicheese (Rasdower, Zap Rasdower!)
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To: NonValueAdded
"... not personal attacks," Obama said.

I am sure George Bush's name will not come up in less than derogatory terms.

And, I will not question Hussein's patriotism for Venezuela, Cuba or the old Soviet Union.

40 posted on 08/20/2008 8:23:54 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, where patriotism is replacing the stars in the flag with hammers and sickles.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Have others of you noticed the increasing tendancy for Obama and his MSM minions to blame something or someone else for their failings?

Now they are blaming the weather for Obama’s cool reception!!!!!

“””””Fewer VFW members attended Obama’s remarks than McCain’s - due at least partly to heavy rain and hurricane and tornado threats.”””””””


41 posted on 08/20/2008 8:24:18 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: cdchik123; Arrowhead1952; 2ndDivisionVet; No Surrender No Retreat; freekitty; oswegodeee; ...

This was akin to Adolf Hitler addressing the US military and convincing them that he’s a nice guy! The whole scenario is too sick and bizarre to be funny. The Muslim Messiah and his Liberal cohorts are as much our enemy as Al Qaeda. Both have the same goal, the destruction of the USA as we know it.


42 posted on 08/20/2008 8:32:50 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: NonValueAdded
Pretty bold statement given the attack ad Obama is running in Florida.

Pretty bold statement since Obama is the one that declined McCain's invitation to have 10 town hall debates. Obama is very afraid of debating if he doesn't have a script.

43 posted on 08/20/2008 8:34:46 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Vaquero
and I pretty much was told by him, I got(s) to vote for the brother.

Tell him Obama's only his half-brother.

44 posted on 08/20/2008 8:41:53 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: ExTexasRedhead; SandRat; river rat

True enough. But it looks like the vets treated Obama politely. No surprise there, as most vets try to carry themselves with a certain amount of dignity.


45 posted on 08/20/2008 9:16:49 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: John123
Is Obamasiah seeing dead people again?

I too recall that he claimed our honored dead were in his audience on Memorial Day. I don't think Obambi knows that Memorial Day honors those who died in service. I don't think he knows much of anything.

46 posted on 08/20/2008 9:23:55 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: cdchik123

This rookie can’t help but be thin skinned and defensive. Not a winning prescription.


47 posted on 08/20/2008 9:34:00 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Yea, has to be true, I know as a Viet Nam Infantry vet I’m scared to death to go out in the rain. LMAO


48 posted on 08/20/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by Ace the Biker (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: Ace the Biker

Kerry was unable to gain the VETS votes.

How could a loser like Obama get them ?

Bill KRISTOL interview : “McCain will win”
http://leblogdrzz.over-blog.com/article-22049632.html


49 posted on 08/20/2008 9:53:06 AM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: cdchik123
I will let no one question...

See, now there's his problem. He really needs to find another way to phrase this. It's like Bush trotting around saying "jobs Americans won't de-ew".

50 posted on 08/20/2008 10:01:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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