Posted on 08/20/2008 12:30:43 PM PDT by mojito
If you want to understand just how potent the issue of abortion can be in this campaign, take a look at this segment from Hannity & Colmes last night. Sean Hannity laid out for Bob Beckel — in a specific, careful, calm way — the fact that Barack Obama opposed legislation protecting children who had survived an abortion attempt. (For more on this issue, go here, here, and here).
In response, Beckel’s head began to explode.
Beckel seemed quite unfamiliar with the specifics of the issue (for example, he asserted existing Illinois law protected children who survived an abortion attempt, even though the state attorney general said it did not; that reality is what launched the national debate in the first place). Beckel therefore decided to go on the offensive. Enraged, he said that while he knew Republicans would go low, even he didn’t think they would go this low. Why don’t conservatives go back to accusing Obama of being a Muslim, Beckel shouted, rather than accusing him of supporting infanticide? What Republicans were doing was “obscene and disgraceful.” Alan Colmes decided to join the festivities as well; he said what Republicans were saying about Obama was “outrageous and insulting.”
In fact, it’s not. Regardless of what Obama’s personal beliefs on the matter are, he voted against legislation that would have protected the rights of children who survived an attempted abortion. That fact is so stunning, and the implications so brutal, that Beckel and Colmes simply could not process it. They assumed it had to be impossible. But it’s not only possible, it’s true. Obama cast the vote he did. And it’s clear from last night’s exchange that Democrats understand how explosive this issue can be.
It doesn’t help matters, of course, that Obama’s story is falling apart. Obama has been insisting that if the wording of the Illinois Born-Alive Infant Protection legislation had been similar to the wording of federal legislation, he would have voted for the legislation. But as the Washington Post reports today, “Obama aides acknowledged yesterday that the wording of the state and federal bills was virtually identical.”
Oops.
It’s worth noting as well that the effort by the New York Times to provide a political life-raft to Obama on this issue has been taken apart by my colleague Yuval Levin here.
While a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama cast the most extreme vote imaginable on abortion, worse even than supporting partial-birth abortion. Children who had been targeted for abortion but were born alive were still not safe; in Barack Obama’s America, they still do not possess rights or the protection of the law. Obama’s effort to explain his vote away is in the process of collapsing. And the gap between him and McCain continues to close. For the first time in this campaign, Obama is on the defensive, a bit rattled, and worried. He has reason to be.
Their Golden Child has turned to brass......................
Beckel and Colmes were just following the Progressive Playbook, Page One: when the facts are against you (which is virtually all of the time,) go on the offensive and attack the character and mean-spiritedness of those who are offering the facts. Attack Bob Bork, Ken Starr, The Swiftboaters, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and on and on. Can’t refute the facts? Call them names—racists, homophones, bigots, morons, whatever. Amazingly, about 50% of the American people fall for this crap.
“A liar, a thief, a rapist, and a murderer. That’s not a man; take it away.” Bernard Cornwell’s Richard Sharpe with regard to the liar, thief, rapist, and murderer Obadiah Hakeswill.
“A liar, a fraud, a misuser of tax exempt church resources, and an enabler of racists, anti-Semites, and child murderers. That’s not a man; take it away.” Our assessment of Barack Obama.
Obama doesn’t lie-he’s just too “nuanced” for us hicks to comprehend.
Beckel, as usual when facts get in the way, resorted to name calling, and attacking the messenger instead of answering the question put forth. You could see the panic in his eyes.
Look, while I err on the side of Pro-life, it's not one of my big issues. It's not hot topic issues like national defense and taxes are to me. (flame away)That being said, I find this practice absolutely horrific and barbaric.
What i said in a few post later lol
Sharpe rocks.
That pic makes my blood boil.
That line begs me to create a limerick:
Their Golden Child has turned to brass
And the libs are just getting more crass
McCain's a war hero
But their guy's a zero
I've got more intellect in my ass
My husband and I were watching that show and I was commenting (in a rather loud voice) how ASTOUNDING it was that these people seemed so ignorant of the facts. In a country where people are becoming more and more pro-life.....it’s a major fact they should be aware of!!
Juan needs to get on the ball!
The turth is coming out on Obama's stand on the born alive act.
What I find amazing is that the folks here have known about Obama's stand on this issue for over a year. Did the Dem's really think this issue was not a deal breaker with the American people?
Good to see you around, Friend!
Continued good fortune to your G Men, unless they’re playing my Birds of course.
Or even homophobes.
Juan is typical of the average dhimmirat that I’ve talked to about the issue.
Simply deny Obama’s position on the issue. Ignore any evidence, say it is out of context.
maybe homophobe & homophone are two of those words that sound alike but have different meaning... I don’t remember what the word for that is... :)
There could be a video on YouTube of Barry Hussein lopping the heads off babies and liberals would still vote for him.
...and if that fails, just say "Well, everyone does that!"
I've been to several dinner parties loaded with libs over the past year and I always bring up the Infants Born Alive Act because it is impossible for anyone to agree with Obama on this issue, no matter how liberal they are. Inevitably, their responses were that I had my facts wrong, that this was just a right-wing talking point, blah-blah-blah. One putz even suggested that I had "swallowed the Kool-Aid." It's a good thing I was at the home of a close friend, because I was ready, willing, and able to physically extract a refutation of that comment. ("Take it back or die, liberal putz!")
I’m not sure about saying he favors murder (you have to believe its murder for it tobe murder), but from the beginning, I was a astonished that the Dems would run an extremist like Obama and expect success. It’s like the GOP running Jesse Helms for President and expecting a landslide victory. It’s just dopey.
That’s my experience, as well - they simply deny that this is his position on the issue.
“Oh, he doesn’t favor killing those babies, he just voted against REQUIRING aid for them.”
The last Zogby had his numbers with Catholics at
Catholics 47%, July 36% August
That is a drop of 11 points with Catholic voters. Keep in mind this poll was taken between Aug12-16.
Saddleback was not held until the evening of Aug 16th.
“That’s not the Obama I knew.”
Been saying that for several days now. Mccain play this one point correctly he could win everything but DC and VT. Them two would vote for Satan(D).
Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg
CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY
Jill Stanek on Obama and Infant Born Alive Protection Act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo
Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html
Hello, Hanuman...... Hello, Jerry.
Watching the panel at the end of H&C last night was fascinating. To hear Betchell accuse and attack Hannity and Anne Colter, asking "How low can you Republicans go?" Wow!!!
I cannot call it abortion after the fetus would be viable, maybe 5-6 months. To partially deliver an 8-month premie and suck it's brains out isn't abortion, it's murder to me and to most Americans. Obama supports that form of infanticide and it was just a small step for him to prefer the killing of a survivor of a "botched abortion" whatever that phrase means.
I really believe that this punk State Senator five years ago didn't envision himself being on the national stage in such a short time having to defend his punk statements about an "Infant Protection" bill potentially impacting partial birth abortions and eventually all late-term abortions, thus limiting Roe v. Wade.
What I've heard is that Obama chaired the Health Committee in Illinois and blocked this bill from even coming a vote two or three times. When it did get past him he voted against protecting infants once and the other time, he denounced the Infant Protection bill then voted "Present".
Dang his mojo need a lot of help. What happened to the Cross and his Voodoo doll.
Saw it. It’s just too easy to push Beckel’s hot button and watch his eyes turn black. He starts screaming above those trying to speak so that the truth can’t be understood, all because either he doesn’t understand it or doesn’t want others to. He’s so predictable now.
Look at our favorite limericker.
Unfortunately for BO, allowing a baby that survives an abortion to die it is still murder (negligent homicide).
If I killed an illegal immigrant and did not think the laws against murder applied to them because they were here illegally, I would still be guilty of murder.
Is a child that survives an abortion attempt no less a person and deserving of legal protection than an illegal immigrant?
This is what will sink Obama on this issue.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
It makes mine turn cold and evil.
If any report ever asks McCain if he thinks Obama supports infanticide his answer should be “”No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,”
-sharing his talents with the world!
"In response, Beckel’s head began to explode. "
Yeah, that was scary. They let him out for the day program without a straitjacket again. He needs to up the Beta blockers.
Sheesh, I feel dirty. Still, somebody had to do it.
They ARE freaking out. Fractures are appearing over their BO selection...some saying Hillary had what it takes for a street fight and BO does not.
They are genuinely disheartened by the latest polling trends...but the MAJORITY are convinced the "One" will pull it out in the end.
They are afraid of the GOP...tactically...in an election. They consider the GOP MASTERS of communication, and thereby manipulation, of the "dumb/stupid" electorate.
These polls are driving them crazy.
"I - (clap) - DENTICAL!" /"My Cousin Vinny
Homophones - words that sound alike, but have a different spelling
Homonyms - words that sound alike but have different meanings
http://www.magickeys.com/books/riddles/words.html
The NFC East is going to be a rock 'em sock 'em brawl to the finish. All is right in the NFL Universe again.
darn, can’t even make a good self effacing joke these days.
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