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"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
California Catholic Daily ^ | August 21, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/21/2008 4:43:58 PM PDT by kellynla

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) -- Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion -- especially politicians -- should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.

(Excerpt) Read more at calcatholic.com ...


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To: grellis
grellis,

I admire true Catholics. In my opinion a true Catholic is someone who abides by everything in their Catechism. **ALL** of it!!! I wish we had a nation filled to the brim with them.

It is the liberal/ Marxist “Catholic-in-Name-Only”, “Pick and Choose-Cafeteria” guys that make me GAG!!! My CINO alma mater was stuffed to the brim with them! Their true god was Karl Marx.

I can't tell you how many weddings I have been to with full mass, umpteen bridesmaids, organ, and singing, where the bride and groom have been living together in the same apartment up to the very night before the wedding!

The priest knows it, **all** the Catholic relatives know it...and...not one person stands up to say, “Stop this! It is a sacrilege to desecrate the holy sacrament of marriage in this manner!”

Should these young people be married? You bet they should!...In the rectory! The beautiful ceremony of full mass with bride in white should be reserved for worthy couples who are faithful in gospel.

51 posted on 08/21/2008 7:04:48 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: kellynla
“Dude” I don’t reeeeeeeeeely care. LMAO

You cared enough to gloat about it when you thought I was banned.

You got chumped.

And you don't like it.

You're kind of a weenie, huh?

52 posted on 08/21/2008 7:08:13 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: kellynla
you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

Point out where I posted that and I'll give you a dollar.

53 posted on 08/21/2008 7:09:40 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: freedom9
“Then why all the posts to me, dumb ass?”

you, calling anyone a “dumbass” is rich!

you, who can't spell, can't conjugate a verb and can't debate an issue without posting profanity...and knows even less about the Catholic Church & Catholicism other than to post insults about the Church and her members.

but to answer your question, all the posts to you are responses from me for remarks that you posted to ME...

let us all know when you “get it.” LMAO

Class dismissed!

54 posted on 08/21/2008 7:14:54 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: humblegunner

you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

Point out where I posted that and I’ll give you a dollar.

I didn’t say you did...chump. LMAO


55 posted on 08/21/2008 7:16:56 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Artemis Webb
When Cardinal O Connor was alive he was pretty strict about those who are pro abortion.

To my knowledge Rudy did not receive communion when he attended St. Patrick's

Even Cardinal Egan (not one of my favorites) admonished Rudy when he received communion during the Holy Fathers recent visit.

56 posted on 08/21/2008 7:20:01 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Clintonfatigued
For example, with regard to abortion, shouldn’t the church only apply this to someone who has personally participated in an abortion?

No. Advocating and enabling the act of infanticide, whether it be privately or publicly, is just as serious a sin as directly procuring an abortion.

Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.74 God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.75

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"76 "by the very commission of the offense,"77 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.78 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 # 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. the Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life.

2323 Because it should be treated as a person from conception, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed like every other human being.

1395 By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the Eucharist preserves us from future mortal sins. the more we share the life of Christ and progress in his friendship, the more difficult it is to break away from him by mortal sin. the Eucharist is not ordered to the forgiveness of mortal sins - that is proper to the sacrament of Reconciliation. the Eucharist is properly the sacrament of those who are in full communion with the Church.

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

57 posted on 08/21/2008 7:23:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Sacajaweau
Pass the communion...Let God settle it.

God will mete out the final punishment but one's conscience should prevent one from receiving unworthily, just as St. Paul warned nearly two millenia ago.

"For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 11:26-29

58 posted on 08/21/2008 7:39:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla

Too many liberal bishops and priests in the USA - they won’t do this. Some conservatives will.


59 posted on 08/21/2008 7:41:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: wintertime
...not one person stands up to say, “Stop this! It is a sacrilege to desecrate the holy sacrament of marriage in this manner!”

Not even you?

60 posted on 08/21/2008 7:45:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla

“Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.”

The Catholic Church seldom moves in a hurry, but eventually this will get done. If not this time, then the next time, or the time after that.

In the meantime among the biggest losers are these selfsame pro-abortion politicians, who risk their immortal souls for personal and political gain. Each time they receive communion unworthily, they are risking damnation for themselves as well setting scandalous examples for others.


61 posted on 08/21/2008 7:48:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: humblegunner

How did you do that?


62 posted on 08/21/2008 7:56:22 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: kellynla

Thank you.

A Catholic BUMP.


64 posted on 08/21/2008 8:34:45 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: kellynla
""“Then why all the posts to me, dumb ass?”

you, calling anyone a “dumbass” is rich!

you, who can't spell, can't conjugate a verb and can't debate an issue without posting profanity...and knows even less about the Catholic Church & Catholicism other than to post insults about the Church and her members.

but to answer your question, all the posts to you are responses from me for remarks that you posted to ME...

let us all know when you “get it.” LMAO

Class dismissed!

Sorry again for my rough speech and improper grammer.

The time will come when things past and present are revealed and you will recall what I said about your church and maybe share my displeasure.

But until then, as you say and as others have noted on this thread. . . .

Class dismissed!

You have none

65 posted on 08/21/2008 8:35:45 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: humblegunner

maybe you missed this part:

” ...Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians “

this is talk of PUBLIC FIGURES.


66 posted on 08/21/2008 8:38:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Sacajaweau

Your “pass the communion” comment shows utter disregard, and indeed, disrespect for exactly what Communion means to Roman Catholics. To a Catholic, s/he is receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ. To Catholic’s it’s not bread and wine symbolizing Christ’s body and blood. It IS His body and blood. It is not taken lightly. Communion is a sacrament to be received by Roman Cathoics only, and only those Catholics in a state of grace. Roman Catholic politicians and others in the public forum who advance abortion are not in a state of grace.

Their ‘thoughts’ consist of allowing, promoting, and encouraging abortion and, more important, advancing public funds for abortion. That is more than a ‘thought,’ it is an action that results in the destruction of what the Church teaches is a human life. To the Catholic Church, that’s not a ‘sin,’ it’s a mortal sin.

I am not a Catholic, but I respect the Church’s unflinching position on abortion, and believe it is about time it reined in its politicians who are selling their souls for a few votes.


67 posted on 08/21/2008 9:08:31 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I am not Catholic.

Who am I to tell them how to run their church?


68 posted on 08/21/2008 9:26:29 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Who am I to tell them how to run their church?

Then why provide the anecdote and the following advice?

Should these young people be married? You bet they should!...In the rectory! The beautiful ceremony of full mass with bride in white should be reserved for worthy couples who are faithful in gospel.

69 posted on 08/21/2008 9:38:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla; Artemis Webb; narses; Clintonfatigued; livius; mimaw; airedale; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation; ...
Actually, Burke might be in a position to do something about it in his new position as Prefect of the Signatura. As I point out in this post, in his new position, he has competence to refer petitions to the Apostolic See (i.e., to the Pope) to the Roman Rota (the "job description" says one of his jobs is: to deal with petitions presented to the Apostolic See for obtaining the commission of a case to the Roman Rota or some other favour relative to the administration of justice). If you click on the link, I have posted the actual Vatican document that defines Burke's authority in his new position.

So I'm not sure that the bishops could ignore him: at least once he, in his official capacity, has the opportunity to actually hear a case. If they ignore him in his official role, I'd say they do so at their own peril (note: "in his official role" does not include talking to Catholic News Agency)

70 posted on 08/22/2008 2:49:15 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Randy Larsen
How did you do that?

I captured a screen shot of a banned account and posted it on my profile page.

It fools most folks and has great comedic value when some dillweed
gets his knickers in a twist and starts gloating about how I've been banned.

71 posted on 08/22/2008 4:20:06 AM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Ah! Have I stepped on a tender toe? Have you too been to a number of these travesties?

I admire Catholics very much, and I am pleased to see so many of them practicing their religion...ALL of it.


72 posted on 08/22/2008 5:21:29 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: grellis; humblegunner
One of the politicians in Arlington Diocese, pro-abort Jim Moran, makes the rounds of the parishes which are also in his Congressional district. Mine isn't one (DG), but a co-worker’s is, and one day when it was her parish's “turn”, she heard the pastor warning him in the vestibule NOT to present himself for communion. This was several years ago, so it does happen and has been happening for a while.
73 posted on 08/22/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There are nine ways to cooperate in evil or aid another in sin:

Every public official's moral authority is predicated on the defense of human life and his enforcement of objective justice. This is the Biblical doctrine (Romans 13:4) and is also upheld in the foundational document of American political philosophy ("Inalienable rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness... To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..")

A politician who defends or enables the killing of an innocent human being is clerly acting in a morally abominable way --- and that, publicly, in a way which is not only wrong in itself, but gives sacandal to all.

Open, mainifest, public accomplices to the crime of murder are only compounding their guilt if they, in addition, commit the sacrilege of presenting themselves for Communion without repentance.

This seems as clear as daylight to me.

74 posted on 08/22/2008 6:06:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio)
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To: Sacajaweau
See #74
75 posted on 08/22/2008 6:14:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio)
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To: kellynla
you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

That was freedom9 in post #18. If you had taken the time to look at my post #48, you would have seen that freedom9 was not included in my "reply to" line. I replied to freepers who appeared to have genuine questions about Catholicism.

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

76 posted on 08/22/2008 7:16:59 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: kellynla
I am Catholic as well and I don't believe that statement could be considered as dialogue. And it was really quite childish if intended to be included in any serious discussion! For those who don't like the Catholic church that is your opinion but it does not give someone the excuse to be rude in an adult discussion on a topic that Catholics consider important to them.
77 posted on 08/25/2008 4:13:27 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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