Skip to comments.Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court (Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency)
Posted on 08/21/2008 5:00:24 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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It is obvious that the Obama campaign has been playing games, refusing to release this information until a lawsuit was entered against them.
He better watch out, Jesse Jackson is gonna gank those nuts!
Not sure what you mean - I went to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
and read what it said.
There’s another post with the complete article ....
Correction post #96, suite should be suit.
The important point is that an uproar over something like this will be enough to cause some of his supporters to have second thoughts and be fearful about what else might pop up about the guy.
Competence and Judgement comes in question. The whole damn party closed their eyes to make a racial highwater mark. In attempting to do so, they drop a huge brown floater in the punch bowl, and are saying, “Drink Up”.
OK - can see that he should based on his association with Rev. Wright but it seems that he is eligible for the presidency per his citizenship ... but not his experience or knowledge. I wish that were a criteria as well .....
In order for Obami to have become an INDONESIAN citizen he was either 1) born there or 2) became naturalized.
IF he became naturalized, which is the likely scenario, any previous citizenship would have been renounced since Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship.
As such Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act goes to the heart of this matter. It states "that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
If Obama lost his U.S. citizenship by virtue of his birth upon being adopted by Soetoro in 1967, then all previous records pertaining to Obama being a 'natural born' citizen are now null and void. His U.S. citizenship would have been revoked and would have to be re-instated.
If re-instated he becomes 'naturalized' rather than natural-born since he revoked the natural-born status when he became a citizen of Indonesia. And that's the best scenario!
That record showing Barry as a citizen of Indonesia is a bombshell few people recognize. Kudos to the Lawyer for jumping on this one even if he is a rat. Although I wish he would have waited until AFTER the convention..........
I’ll feel better about his birth certificate, which is in question, if it was examined by independent document examiners, sworn to under oath, and is adjudicated authentic. Annenberg fact check is a liberal sycophant group of Obama.
Thanks for the references!
And? He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. That made him an Indonesian. There’s a LOT more going on here. Oh and, I don’t want him disqualified because McCain can beat him.
Matchett said:The important point is that an uproar over something like this will be enough to cause some of his supporters to have second thoughts and be fearful about what else might pop up about the guy.
He is defrauding the US voters by pretending to be a US citizen or lying about his legal name and lying about his indonesian citizenship. He is hurting the US voters by presenting himself as a candidate for office when in fact he isn't. This not only hurts the Voters it hurts the country as a whole because the rule of law, our constitution, has been sh** on. The US citizenship is still in doubt, but it is a proven fact he is a Citizen of Indonesian, or was at one time, and failed to inform the election committee of it, which makes him ineligible all by itself. If he is a US citizen and hasn't renounced his Indonesian citizenship then he is also not eligible.
Every state has a process in which any one can file against a candidate and get them removed from the ballot on grounds of eligibility, he doesn't need to prove fraud only that the candidate is not eligible, and he can do that, the proof is there. The MSM doesn't want to talk about it but they should have known the Clintons wouldn't let this just lie there unanswered.
Doesn’t matter what fact check says. The AP confirmed that Obama had Indonesian citizenship on a school record. They posted the photographic image of it. See my post above. For Obama to have Indonesian citizenship he would have had to REVOKE his U.S. citizenship and that ‘hawaii birth certificate’ became VOID.
But would he have been at a legal age to volunteer?
If, in fact, he traveled to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport, that might qualify as volunteering to be an Indonesian citizen, but again, how old was he at the time? 17? 18? Old enough to perform that particular act voluntarily under the law?
Good catch. Of course that’s what Bill means. They are on the cusp of highjacking the DNC’s nomination, the convention and also the White House. Many of us never doubted the HillBilly’s had no class and that they would send out their minions to do their dirty work.
Good catch. This will be delightful.
Can I have some of that popcorn?!
Isn't it a National Election because everyone in the country goes to the polls to elect the President on the same day?
"Why I support Barack Obama: I have known Barack for nearly 20 years, since we attended Harvard Law School class of 1991. Although he gained his strongest asset (Michelle) after we graduated, he has always been a thoughtful, determined, intelligent leader."
If so, then this is just a ruse by the Obama campaign to put up a strawman and then knock him down.
Isn't accepting funds under false pretenses committing fraud?
Put it on the docket for some time in December...maybe.
Factcheck is an Obama controlled site via its ownership by the Annenberg Foundation. The Foundation also is the sponsor of the $500 million Annenberg Challenge initially chaired by Obama and adminstered with the help of one William Ayers. Documents of that “Challenge” have been kept sequestered by the University of Illinois as they may lead to illegal contributions to Acorn, leftists found fixing election results in 13 or 14 states since the 2000 election. (whew!)
Go to www.texasdarlin.wordpress.com. for an in depth report. Poor Walter Annenberg, a member or Reagan’s kitchen cabinet, and like many conservatives leaving fat foundations, -see Ford, Rockefeller, Pew, MacArthur - taken over by the left of left leaving their benefactors spinning in their graves.
"Dictatorial, unscrupulous, calculating, and crafty... Moreover, being intensely superstitious, she surrounded herself with astrologers... Indeed her methods were so essentially egotistical as to border on cynicism... In a word she was a woman of the Renaissance, a disciple of Machiavelli..."
-- Catherine de Medici, From the Catholic Encyclopedia
Philip J. Berg tried to have Obama removed from the Democratic primaries due to his association with Rev. Wright in March 2008.
Philip C. Berg went to Harvard Law with Obama.
He won’t produce a certified birth certificate. He won’t release his medical records. There’s gray areas of his life prior to becoming a community organizer. We can’t see the papers for the Ayers committee he sat on. Such simple things to explain or disclose, and yet it’s all so top-secret. Got to be a reason why. The longer he procrastinates, the more it looks like he’s hiding something.
I think people are missing the more important factors surrounding this controversy. The point is the lawsuit and related documents will create additional doubt in the mind of undecided voters about who Obama is. The stuff about divided loyalties will be the killer to some people. With Obama’s support already fading this could be the death blow.
That this is being alleged by a Hillary supporter is great. The McCain campaign should stay far away from this issue unless and until the court rules.
But the whispers and e-mails about this may snowball doubt and cause more voters to go to the safety of McCain.
Perfect comparison, another one would be: Livia, the Grandmother in I Claudius, just as cunning and ruthless as Catherine de Medici./Just Asking - seoul62........
Any good lawyer knows that all you have to do is plant a seed of doubt in the jury's mind, and hopefully this will do that.
I just went to www.pacer.gov and could not find the lawsuit as described. Maybe it will appear tomorrow. Should be good reading.
“Which, IMHO, is why this guy filed suit now. It is the old game of: fear, uncertainty and doubt.” ~ flyfree
It’s an effective tactic or they wouldn’t use it. Everything they get on top of that (winning a law suit) is merely gravy.
The same game is played by the “Liars for Science” in the Global Warming Hoax:
You are absolutely correct. This is on page one of the “Divide and Conquer” textbook.
He, like all citizens, are entitled to a legal presidency.
Just went (tried) to get back to Factcheck.org and it seems their server is down .... hmmmmmmm didn’t know it was an Obama backed site ....
Explains a lot.
Just tried to get to Factcheck.org and it seems their site is down ... hmmmmm ....
Here’s hoping we hear more about this tomorrow! If anything comes of this it will be blamed on Hillary since Berg is referred to as a Hillary supporter.
Over here, ladies...
Looks like the lawsuit may have legs.
Someone asked "How has he--Berg--been harmed?"
Seems like he's suing to prevent harm to his Democrat Party--like a person whose child is going in for surgery, but the surgeon doesn't have the qualifications of a Medical Degree--and the Hospital Administration doesn't seem to give one damn about that fact.
Berg is trying to stop an operation--the nomination of Obama--before his baby, the Democrat Party, is seriously harmed.
For me personally I think we as a country should get back to the original definition of 'natural born' as explained by the guys who actually wrote the constitution. In the Naturalization Act of 1790 natural born was clarified as: "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens". You can't get any clearer than that! The men who wrote our constitution also wrote this act and they made it crystal clear what they meant by natural born!!
Note that in this Act it specifically stated citizens. Plural - both parents. It goes on to as well specifically describe that natural born was not based on where a person was born, but to whom. You could be born 'beyond the sea' or 'out of the limits' of the U.S. so long as you were the child of 'citizenS'.
I realize this definition was later revoked etc. etc. 14th amendment and all that - but sheez - we wouldn't have all these problems with anchor babies and everything else if we would just return to what the founders intended!
In the meantime I personally, even IF the candidate would be conservative; would NEVER EVER vote for anyone who had a parent who was NOT a U.S. citizen......
Thanks for the link to the image!
The Philip (one L) C. Berg on Obama’s page is a lawyer in New York City. There’s a Phillip J. Berg who is a practicing attorney is Pa. This one was former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania and political activist. I believe they are two different people.