Skip to comments.Joe Biden Makes It Easier for Catholics to Oppose Pro-Abortion Barack Obama
Posted on 08/23/2008 10:06:32 AM PDT by wagglebee
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This reality hadn't even occurred to me.
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You didn’t get Joe Biden’s text this morning at 3:12AM saying he’s now Methodist?
Picking Biden was a shockingly bad decision.
Baby killing Catholic politicians like Biden and Pelosi are the scourge of the nation, this will be a huge issue in the campaign.
There must be a strong pro-life Catholic on McCain’s short list. Anyone know which Catholic has the best shot of those floated? Giuliani?
Giuliani hasn’t been Catholic for an extremely long time.
CNN still spinning themselves into the ground attempting to convince themselves this is a good pick.
Maybe Biden and Obama can do some church shopping together - they are both without a home, let’s see, Rev Wright is out, Farrakhan, probably not, Moonies - Nah, maybe the Whackos from Waco....No..something Californian, feel good, non judgmental sought of like buddhism but allowing you to eat meat and arugula and smoke crack on weekends, and infanticide is okay if you are not in the mood for raising a kid.
Interviewing Dem big shots as if they would go on record with criticisms of this selection.
Rudy G. is mildly in favor of pro-abortion...
The truth of the matter is that Biden’s selection will not change how Catholics vote anymore than nObama’s nomination did. No Catholic, nay, no Christian should vote for pro-abort politicians regardless of party. But many will.
Rooty would be a disaster.
Of the conservative names being floated, Bobby Jindal is Catholic and Tim Pawlenty is an Evangelical; Romney is Mormon, but I don't really consider him a conservative.
Wagglebee, do you think it would be a problem in any way that Pawlenty was Catholic but drifted away to become an evangelical?
I used to think he was our best choice but now cant make up my mind.
Rooty is only "mild" when compared to a militant abortionist like Obama.
Im pro-choice. Im pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. No, I have not supported that, and I dont see my position on that changing, he responded.
- CNN.com, Inside Politics Dec 2, 1999
"Ultimately I believe it's an individual right and a woman should make that choice."
- Apr 4, 2007
"Where I stand on abortion is, I oppose it. I don't like it. I hate it. I think abortion is something that, as a personal matter, I would advise somebody against.
"However, I believe in a woman's right to choose."
- Hannity & Colmes, Feb 5, 2007
"But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
- Phil Donahue Show, 1989
The RC clergy needs to read and understand this about Democrats:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
NAsbU Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them,
'I never knew you;
DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
I don't think that would be an issue at all.
I used to think he was our best choice but now cant make up my mind.
I would be fine with Pawlenty, but I think the Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal or Eric Cantor would be better.
Giuliani is one of those IAAAB Catholics.....
How does the formerly Catholic, pro-abortion apostate Joseph McClintock Biden make it easier for me to vote for the pro-infanticide Barack Hussein Peter Singer Obama? I must have missed the subtleness of the argument that Biden is the lesser of the two evils? But way back in third grade catechism class I learned that the lesser of two evils is still EVIL.
Abortion and Euthanasia
|Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE)||Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."|
So is Biden. CINO all the way!
Now Sibelius' bishop took a firmer stand with her. I don't know who Biden's bishop is, McCormick?
Anyway, they'll just campaign in some other church when they are in the St. Louis diocese or avoid it altogether like Kerry did.
I wish the bishops would present a firm, united front. Unless they actually instruct eucharistic ministers to refuse them communion, it's all just rhetoric. The Catholic pols are going to ignore it as usual and get away with it as usual.
I don't even know how to send or receive a text message.
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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
What many citizens today fail to reason through is that the so-called "right to choose," is an invented euphemism of recent decades designed to mask the ugly act of "destroying" the life and liberty of the child in the womb. By that euphemism, an artificial right was bestowed by unelected justices of the Supreme Court of the United States on only one class of citizens (women) to destroy the Creator-endowed, therefore "unalienable" life and liberty of an as-yet-unborn citizen.
This question is the most important one to be considered in the 2008 election of a President.
Consider the logic utilized by those who say they personally oppose taking the life of the child in the womb, but believes in the trite and tired old phrase of "a woman's right to choose."
Why could a 75-year-old daughter not use the same reasoning to apply to a "right to choose" to get rid of an elderly mother whose care is threatening her own health? (And don't say it is not realistic to claim the health risk that many face!)
Or, why should the nation's law not provide that same "right to choose" to both men and women who consider another individual to be a threat to their personal health or wellbeing, an inconvenience to their lifestyle, or merely a burden they cannot take care of?
Clearly, America's laws against the taking of life do not allow for a citizen's "right to choose" murder as an optional way of solving a personal dilemma, no matter how perplexing or burdensome.
Unmask the faulty logic of the fence sitters, and let them articulate what is their real reason for favoring the taking of a life in the womb! Is it not possibly because they do not see children in the womb as beings "endowed by their Creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?
Whichever candidate who's most likely to appoint Supreme Court justices who understand this basic principle underlying our liberty and the American Constitution is the only logical choice to lead this nation, in this voter's humble opinion!
Yes, McCain, Brownback, Santorum, Palin, and I am probably missing some.
I think you misread the headline, Biden will make it easier to OPPOSE Obama.
McCain isn’t Catholic, is he? If so, where have I been? I didn’t know the other 3 were Catholic either, just recently read good things about Palin. Good to know there are some.
John McCain is an Episcopalian. Sarah Palin is Protestant, but I’m not sure what denomination. Bobby Jindal is a Catholic (he converted from Hinduism) and has been touted as a possible running mate, but not as prominently as Palin and Eric Cantor (Cantor is a Jew, but he is extremely well liked in a very conservative district that is largely Evangelical Christian and devout Catholic). Charlie Crist (Methodist) has been mentioned prominently, but many (myself included) hold him partly responsible for Terri Schiavo’s murder.
I goofed. I thought you just said and pro-life politicians.
Mitt will not appeal to the conservatives. Don’t you remember the mess with Mass. healthcare. It is now a million in the red and the state has capped coverage.
We don’t need a socialist for a vice-presidential in the GOP.
PS. If you check further......you will see that Romney flip flops to get elected. LOL!
And I still don't know what to do about McCain's support of ESCR, know I shouldn't be a one-issue voter, know it isn't going to likely matter, but still - it's a pretty big issue. Still one could be fooled by a supposed pro-life candidate who uses it to deceive masses, could be possible, not sayin McCain is doing that, just saying.
Am relieved to hear it would not be an issue.
No doubt Sarah Palin would electrify the ticket. One thing no one mentions with her is that her husband works in the oil fields. Instead of another lawyer spouse we’d actually have a blue collar person. Might be a minus to the yuppie fraction, but the blue collar population is a lot larger so I see it as a big plus.
I would love to have a no-lawyer ticket. Obama, Michelle, and Joe are all lawyers.
Not to worry. I didn’t read the article very well myself, see Saltiereli (sp?) is Biden’s home bishop and spoken firmly but evidently not to the point of denying communion unlike Sibelius’ bishop and Burke. Don’t know where Chaput stands on that. Also Biden, if he attends mass regularly, probably attends in Washington, another diocese.
Pretty straightforward that.
LOL. That's funny because Mitt ALREADY appealed to a majority of conservatives. A quick perusal of any of the primary exit polls will confirm that fact for you. And, the last time I looked, the people who support him, like Ann Coulter, Judge Robert Bork, Jim DeMint, Rick Santorum and this guy are all pretty conservative.
Supporting the killing of innocent human life obviously excommunicates one from the church. Such a depraved moral state would automatically render one unworthy to receive communion.
You mean any, or any on McCain's short list?
Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum, and Bobby Jindal are all Catholics and all pro-life.
His health care reform plan was mostly devised by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank who counts among it's most prominent members, Margaret Thatcher who very recently did a radio ad for them.
I suppose by extension and the parameters you set, Salvation, the members of the Heritage Foundation who largely devised Mitt's health care plan, and Margaret Thatcher are socialists too?
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Pawlenty is the youngest child of his birth family. By the time he was 17 years old, both parents had died. So, he was more-or-less orphaned during his teenage years. His older siblings sort of took him under their wings. This must have been a traumatic time for him.
I would not judge him on his change of religious faith. I would judge him more on being able to overcome such a hard knock so early in life and become a very faithful Christian, husband, and father. His wife, Mary, is an evangelical, and a lawyer. She is a judge now.
**I would love to have a no-lawyer ticket. Obama, Michelle, and Joe are all lawyers.**
I like that idea.
There are statements by Archbishop Chaput in this post:
Where might I find this in displayable form?
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