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US disrupts Olympic party with human rights attack on China
Telegraph ^ | 08/24/08 | Peter Foster

Posted on 08/24/2008 5:05:54 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

US disrupts Olympic party with human rights attack on China

America has openly attacked China for failing to live up to its Olympic promise to improve human rights after eight US citizens were arrested and imprisoned without trial for their part in a pro-Tibet demonstration.

By Peter Foster in Beijing

Last Updated: 12:20PM BST 24 Aug 2008


The Foreign and Commonwealth Office called on China to 'respect its commitment to freedom of expression' Photo: AFP

In an unusually candid statement issued on the eve of the Olympic closing ceremony the US Embassy in Beijing expressed mounting frustration with China's refusal to give ground on basic freedoms during the Games.

"We are disappointed that China has not used the occasion of the Olympics to demonstrate greater tolerance and openness," the statement said.

"We encourage the government of China to demonstrate respect for human rights, including freedom of expression and freedom of religion, of all people during the Olympic Games and beyond."

The statement appeared to be timed to inflict maximum embarrassment on the Chinese government which, despite the sporting success of the Games, has faced continued criticism of its human rights abuses.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; boycottchina; china; humanright; olympic; us

1 posted on 08/24/2008 5:05:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; Unam Sanctam; taxesareforever; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/24/2008 5:06:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
UK visitors in China should "respect local laws".

Sorry, but one shouldn't protest in another country and expect to be treated nicely.

3 posted on 08/24/2008 5:14:58 AM PDT by itsthejourney
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To: itsthejourney

So you think that nations who allege that they respect Freedom of Expression should not be expected to actually do so?


4 posted on 08/24/2008 5:25:46 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: All

I am sure all the Liberal Free Trader Globalists and ChiCom panderers will find some excuse or reasoning to justify the ChiComs actions during the Olympics.

At times the ChiCom panderers make this website more like DU..


5 posted on 08/24/2008 5:34:35 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (It's still COMMUNIST China)
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To: itsthejourney

“Sorry, but one shouldn’t protest in another country and expect to be treated nicely”

Except for the US, of course.


6 posted on 08/24/2008 5:52:26 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel
“Sorry, but one shouldn’t protest in another country and expect to be treated nicely” Except for the US, of course.

The fact that we do tolerate people protesting makes us a better country than China. I wouldn't want it any other way, it's the price of freedom.

7 posted on 08/24/2008 5:55:08 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: dfwgator

I’m sorry, but ILLEGALS protesting in our streets and being tolerated does NOT make us a better country. It simply shows that we are a nation of laws we refuse to enforce.


8 posted on 08/24/2008 5:57:36 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jeff Head

It’s starting to smell like Russia-China Axis for a new Cold War as tension rises in Georgia, and frictions increase on human rights in China.


9 posted on 08/24/2008 5:58:19 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
Olympics are over, and bubbles are popping.

Crunch time is coming.

10 posted on 08/24/2008 6:05:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
SCREW the chicoms and every other commie POS that infects the world!

LLS

11 posted on 08/24/2008 7:12:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: Wiz

Below the surface, they hate each other MORE than each hates us.

LLS


12 posted on 08/24/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: itsthejourney
"Sorry, but one shouldn't protest in another country and expect to be treated nicely."

They expect it HERE. They DEMAND it here.

13 posted on 08/24/2008 7:16:20 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: freeangel
"I’m sorry, but ILLEGALS protesting in our streets and being tolerated does NOT make us a better country. It simply shows that we are a nation of laws we refuse to enforce."

Amen. I was just thinking of the marches of illegals waving the Mexican flag in our streets.

14 posted on 08/24/2008 8:02:48 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: itsthejourney; Virginia Ridgerunner; Army Air Corps; TigersEye

“Sorry, but one shouldn’t protest in another country and expect to be treated nicely.”

Take a hike, ChiCom troll.


15 posted on 08/24/2008 8:19:53 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Summary of article:

"Hey, dis punk hurt my fist with his face! HELP, POLICE!!!"

16 posted on 08/24/2008 8:31:50 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
America has openly attacked China for failing to live up to its Olympic promise to improve human rights after eight US citizens were arrested and imprisoned without trial for their part in a pro-Tibet demonstration.

I am truly and profoundly disappointed that the U.S. has officially "taken the bait" and jumped into a diplomatic hornets' nest.

Who are these diplomats?
Whose "leadership" are we viewing here?

I very much want to know who these "eight US citizens" are. Personally I am guessing that they are fraudulent citizens (CINOs) who are using the basic principles of the U.S. as a weapon in their private wars elsewhere.

I say let China have them, and revoke their citizenship.

I may be weird, but I have never thought that my "American Citizenship" entitles me to impose our view of "freedom" in foreign countries.

Certainly not when our freedoms are being assailed in wholesale lots right here at home. Just take a look at who seriously feels qualified to be our president!

It's mind-boggling.

Has the world gone mad?

17 posted on 08/24/2008 9:58:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Teacher317
So you think that nations who allege that they respect Freedom of Expression should not be expected to actually do so?

Actually I do expect them to actually do what they profess.
But in the real world that is a retard's view of the problem.

The actual problem is that individual American "citizens" have no standing in reality to force an expected outcome in foreign countries.

Ever checked on the definition of insanity lately?

18 posted on 08/24/2008 10:02:50 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
At times the ChiCom panderers make this website more like DU..

They have now been joined by an even larger contingent of Soviet/Russian apologists.

19 posted on 08/24/2008 10:34:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I am sure all the Liberal Free Trader Globalists and ChiCom panderers will find some excuse or reasoning to justify the ChiComs actions during the Olympics.

At times the ChiCom panderers make this website more like DU..

Your comments really do sum up the emotional sentiment of so many on the FR. It really is perplexing to me....honestly. The media and much of the world has heaped praises upon China's hosting of the games. They acknowledge some of the negatives, however, overall, the world has been pleasantly surprised. And certainly, everyone on the FR must realize, this is not just a pride for the government of China but much more so for the ordinary citizens. Yet, for many on the FR, it's as though the Berlin games of 36 were replayed. In fact, I sometimes wonder if many on the FR are more offended by the Beijing games than by the Berlin games. I'm not here to make accusations, but I do sometimes wonder.

It's as though, ......to put it bluntly, a certain old order it being rocked, and many on the FR do not like it.

20 posted on 08/24/2008 2:21:24 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life; indcons
however, overall, the world has been pleasantly surprised.

(snip)

In fact, I sometimes wonder if many on the FR are more offended by the Beijing games than by the Berlin games.


21 posted on 08/25/2008 1:28:36 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: ponder life
The media and much of the world has heaped praises upon China's hosting of the games. They acknowledge some of the negatives, however, overall, the world has been pleasantly surprised…

It's as though, ......to put it bluntly, a certain old order it being rocked, and many on the FR do not like it.

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With respect to the Olympics, the MSM that matters most in the US is NBC. It virtually ignored China's human rights abuses, political prisoners, labor camps, anti-Christian policies, one child policy, repression of minorities, widespread poverty outside camera range of the Olympic Village. Such coverage would not have helped their ratings.

As for an old order being rocked, I submit that that is a bad thing, and we should not like it. As China's economy and military strengthen, they become an increasing potential threat. Some threats become real menaces, then real enemies. Enemies must eventually be appeased or defeated, and either option is expensive.

22 posted on 08/25/2008 1:52:03 AM PDT by stillonaroll (If the VP is Romney or another RINO, I'm staying home!)
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To: ponder life
They acknowledge some of the negatives, however, overall, the world has been pleasantly surprised.

Bull. The rest of the world has been exposed to what a polluted, cheating, authoritarian piece of $hit of a country China is. How you're not completely embarrassed by what a joke your country is baffles me.

23 posted on 08/25/2008 7:06:18 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I am not a troll. I have nothing to gain by provoking anyone. I just want to narrow down what makes ya’ll tick. What is at the core of this Hawkish view of China.


24 posted on 08/25/2008 11:21:59 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: stillonaroll
As for an old order being rocked, I submit that that is a bad thing, and we should not like it.

Well, that does appear to be the core of the FR perspective.

As China's economy and military strengthen, they become an increasing potential threat. Some threats become real menaces, then real enemies. Enemies must eventually be appeased or defeated, and either option is expensive.

I don't fault you for that view. However, the problem is, China is typically alerted on the FR as the only threat. And then something like Russia invading Georgia seems to prove that the threat is somewhere else. I believe, that scenario of another country taking hostile action in the backdrop of the perceived China threat will continue play out in the next couple of decades.

25 posted on 08/25/2008 11:27:50 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: jmc813
Bull. The rest of the world has been exposed to what a polluted, cheating, authoritarian piece of $hit of a country China is. How you're not completely embarrassed by what a joke your country is baffles me.

Not embarassed at all. There's alot of good things happening in China. Changes need to continue to be made of course, but they are making them.

But I'm curious, why do my comments seem to provoke such visceral responses from you? Just as you have asked what motivates me, I want to know what motivates this overriding negative focus on China by you and many like you. From my perspective (and I admit, it is a perspective on my part), it does appear there is an anger against China, that has at it's core, a fear of a potential shift of an old order.

26 posted on 08/25/2008 11:39:28 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
But I'm curious, why do my comments seem to provoke such visceral responses from you?

It's not you in particular. It's anyone who defends China.

Just as you have asked what motivates me, I want to know what motivates this overriding negative focus on China by you and many like you.

I can't speak for anybody else, but personally I happen to be a libertarian and consider personal liberty and freedom to be about the most important things in life. So when it comes to a country like China which stands for everything I am opposed to at the core of my being, I speak out, and yes, admittedly, at times it can be visceral.

27 posted on 08/25/2008 11:48:40 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: ponder life
What is at the core of this Hawkish view of China.

How's this for starters?


28 posted on 08/25/2008 2:02:13 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: jmc813
It's not you in particular. It's anyone who defends China.

Does that include ordinary citizens who live there?

I can't speak for anybody else, but personally I happen to be a libertarian and consider personal liberty and freedom to be about the most important things in life.

I can buy into that. So why then, do countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and many many more, not get the same attention as China? Certainly, not all of the other 5+ billion people in the world that live outside of China be beacons of democracy. So, why aren't those who are so Hawkish about China, include other countries? There must be more than just standing up for "Life, Liberty and the Puruit of Happiness" as a reason for focusing on China..

29 posted on 08/25/2008 3:10:15 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
How's this for starters?

Tienanmen square did occur almost 20 years ago. Your concern for human rights is commendable. So, why isn't the energy also directed at other parts of the world? I mean, I'm sure I could go on the web right now and find pictures like that somewhere in the world (and definitely more recent than 20 years). Why, for people like you, China is such a focus? I'm sure your energies would be appreciated standing up to tyrrants in Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Asia. And would be much more appreciated there than in China. So, why China?

I can only draw the conclusion of disrupting the old order.

30 posted on 08/25/2008 3:20:07 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life; indcons; Army Air Corps; TigerLikesRooster; Jeff Head
So, why China?

Because China is a clear threat to the national security of the United States and security of the entire western Pacific.

More news that you apparently missed...

Rising Sea Dragon in Asia

Pacific Choke Point


31 posted on 08/26/2008 4:55:50 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: ponder life
So why then, do countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and many many more, not get the same attention as China?

I'm more than happy to rip them apart too. But for the last month, the media has been fluffing the heck out of China, so I've concentrated on letting people know how horrendous of a country they are as an attempt at a counterbalance.

32 posted on 08/26/2008 9:26:51 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: ponder life

“I’m sure your energies would be appreciated standing up to tyrrants in Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Asia.”

We focus on China and its shameless enablers because you claim to be better than everyone else while oppressing and slaughtering people like no other evil force on earth.

I, for one, would hope that Pres. Bush and his gang of free traitors would actually put their money where their mouths are and do something concrete about the barbarians that rule your country.


33 posted on 08/26/2008 1:21:04 PM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Because China is a clear threat to the national security of the United States and security of the entire western Pacific.

Honestly, I believe Russia is more of a national security to the United States. They are more willing to take military action when it suits them.

Pacific Choke Point

I'm willing to bet that China will not initiate hostile action. So far they haven't. Other countries have. In fact, in the future, China will contribute to the security of sea lanes. Because the US will get tired of always paying for it.

34 posted on 08/26/2008 6:13:17 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: jmc813
I'm more than happy to rip them apart too. But for the last month, the media has been fluffing the heck out of China, so I've concentrated on letting people know how horrendous of a country they are as an attempt at a counterbalance.

The media does say alot of good things about China, but they also say alot of negatives as well. So, to counterbalance, you should also include positives. Here on the FR, it'all negative by those with a Hawkish view of China.

35 posted on 08/26/2008 6:15:13 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
I'm willing to bet that China will not initiate hostile action. So far they haven't.

Remember that skirmish called, "The Korean War?"

36 posted on 08/26/2008 6:19:01 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: indcons
I, for one, would hope that Pres. Bush and his gang of free traitors would actually put their money where their mouths are and do something concrete about the barbarians that rule your country.

President Bush has a good approach. He respects China for all her accomplishments, while at the same time exhort her to respect human rights. I appreciate what he did. His motivation isn't the same as those on the FR. He wants to change the country as it industrializes. Many on the FR just wants to bring her down behind the cloak of human rights.....because she is industrializing.

37 posted on 08/26/2008 6:22:32 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: dfwgator
Remember that skirmish called, "The Korean War?"

How is that a pertinent arguement for today? Have you ever heard of WWII? If you want to condemn Germany and Italy for what they did 63+ years ago, I'll back you up.

38 posted on 08/26/2008 6:37:21 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life

“Many on the FR just wants to bring her down behind the cloak of human rights.....because she is industrializing.”

You’re wrong - yet again. The reason why we oppose your masters, the Chicoms, was explained in my post above but you conveniently ignored it:
“We focus on China and its shameless enablers because you claim to be better than everyone else while oppressing and slaughtering people like no other evil force on earth.”


39 posted on 08/27/2008 8:02:26 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: indcons
You’re wrong - yet again. The reason why we oppose your masters, the Chicoms, was explained in my post above but you conveniently ignored it:

“We focus on China and its shameless enablers because you claim to be better than everyone else while oppressing and slaughtering people like no other evil force on earth.”

I didn't ignore it. How am I suppose to reply to it? It's a blanket statement. My only reply would be "no it's not". Are you talking about the way they touted the Olympics as evidence they feel they are better than others? Confront others in disputes such as territorial claims as indication they are evil? Since you basically said "China is evil and arrogant" (without specific clarification), I would have just said "no, it isn't".

40 posted on 08/27/2008 9:41:47 AM PDT by ponder life
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