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Born in the U.S.A.The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
factcheck.org ^ | 8/21/08 | Jess Henig

Posted on 08/24/2008 7:40:05 AM PDT by TheNewPundit

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

(Excerpt) Read more at factcheck.org ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 3dollarbill; barackobama; billayers; birthcertificate; certifigate; factcheckdotorg; marines; obamafamily
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To: EagleUSA

“This issue is more important than any other aspect of this campaign. The people trying to whitewash this apparent massive fraud, should be more concerned about the importance of our laws, and the future of America in that regard. Every candidate should be made to PROVE THEIR BIRTHRIGHT AND CITIZENSHIP and have it scrutinized -— just like every US citizen has to do when they sign up for Social Security or other government program....”

I could not have put it better.

Then again, with the RATs they are nothing if not FRAUDULENT. If they really were open and honest about their intentions, they would be run out of the country in a New York minute.


51 posted on 08/24/2008 8:20:47 AM PDT by Howie66 (To the RAT Party: How can I question your patriotism? You have none, so what's your point?)
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To: TheNewPundit

Location of birth - Honolulu

52 posted on 08/24/2008 8:21:10 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Barack ("Peace Be Upon His Middle No Name") Obama

I don't care who you are, that's FUNNY!!!!!
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53 posted on 08/24/2008 8:24:08 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history. (Obama is his 2nd term))
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To: TheNewPundit
The FBI needs to check the records in Hawaii and Indonesia and even Kenya to find if Nobama is qualified to run for president. He is going to lose anyway but he should not be allowed to make false claims.
54 posted on 08/24/2008 8:26:04 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: TheNewPundit
Then why do they have so many posts correcting things that Obama said, including his recent ad that attacks McCain? And why did Dick Cheney use the site in his own defense?

Get it?

Easy, plausible deniability. By pretending to be fair and balanced they don't have to be either and can actually form public opinion by supporting the biggest lies of their candidate....

Who it just so happens help found the group that provides all their funding along with an admitted terrorist bomber who has worked all of his life to overthrow this country's government by any means necessary including murder and terror....

55 posted on 08/24/2008 8:26:56 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: MarkeyD
Normally I don't like getting someone disqualified on a technicality, and that is what this birth cert. issue is. But, Obama is the undisputed King of knocking out opponents on a technicality and what is good for the goose . . .
56 posted on 08/24/2008 8:28:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: rlmorel
They don’t really need that fish, though. There are plenty of torpedoes out there to sink the SS Obama.

In the most SERIOUS business of electing the leader of the Free World, and the POTUS, there are MILLIONS of people involved. To find the one fish that does Obama in requires hordes of people following as many threads as can be found to properly vet a candidate by his opposition. IF Obama is unqualified, whether it be a substance issue (foreign policy, abortion, taxes) or other issue (COLB, associations, etc), it may very well be the combined injuries to Obama that helps put McCain on top. I always bear in mind the notion of [political] "death from a thousand cuts".

57 posted on 08/24/2008 8:30:24 AM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: mountainlion; All
The FBI needs to check the records in Hawaii and Indonesia and even Kenya to find if Nobama is qualified to run for president. He is going to lose anyway but he should not be allowed to make false claims.

BINGO.

THIS is what needs to be done to put this controversy to rest once and for all, no matter how it turns out.

Advocates for and against Obama can post COLBs all day and all night, can analyze everything from fonts to borders to the presence or absence of raised seals, and it means absolutely nothing UNLESS the United States Department of Justice gets involved.

What could be more important from a law enforcement perspective than either establishing or disproving a case of document fraud perpetuated by a candidate for the Presidency of the United States who has already been elected to the United States Senate, and previously to the Illinois State Senate?!?

Send in the Feds and get to the bottom of it right now. I'm sure that Senator Obama/Soetoro/WTF-his-name is would welcome an investigation that would settle this question for good.
58 posted on 08/24/2008 8:32:43 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history. (Obama is his 2nd term))
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To: TheNewPundit

Somethings rotten in Denmark. Reckon he’s been there too.


59 posted on 08/24/2008 8:44:42 AM PDT by Waco (Fusion Smooishin)
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To: TheNewPundit

This is, as predicted, straight out of the
Kerry SF180 playbook:

Just show the document to In-The-Tank media pals,
and not the general public.

Annenberg’s photography is even worse than the previous
junk. And the analysis of the previous has educated BHO’s
people, who have now had lots of time to build a better forgery.

This won’t get settled unless addressed in court, or
Hillary decides to use it as a weapon.


60 posted on 08/24/2008 8:45:00 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: TheNewPundit

Hmmm...
Could be that one warehouse detention facility in Denver may be a bit small the next few dys....


61 posted on 08/24/2008 8:53:29 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: TheNewPundit

This picture answers many of the questions about the original "proof", namely the lack of a Certificate Number and the raised seal. As a SWAG, the Certificate Number consists of a hospital id, the date, and a sequence number. Obviously the first image was edited by Photoshop to remove the certificate number, at the very least.

This seems to suggest that the state of Hawaii thinks he was born there. However "151" may mean "Born at Home", instead of a hospital, and 4 days is plenty of time to move him from Kenya (say) to the US after birth. This also does not answer questions about what his stay in Indonesia, and the fact that he might actually be a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

62 posted on 08/24/2008 8:54:29 AM PDT by NathanR ( Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.)
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To: C210N

Read my other posts. I don’t disagree.


63 posted on 08/24/2008 8:54:47 AM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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To: mkjessup

Obama;The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him


64 posted on 08/24/2008 8:55:29 AM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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To: penelopesire

The point is that Obama was never on any board associated with factcheck.org


65 posted on 08/24/2008 9:00:25 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: usmcobra

Plausible deniability works for each and every website and organization on the planet. Prove that he runs factcheck.


66 posted on 08/24/2008 9:05:29 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit
There is no better proof of Obama’s US citizenship than the Hillary did not bring it up in the primary campaigns. I'm certain Hillary's minions looked for all the dirt on Obama and would never have left such a knockout on the table.
67 posted on 08/24/2008 9:12:18 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: DaltonNC

“If Obama is lying I believe Bill & Hillary will be all over this during the convention.”

I am surprised that she would not have used this before so that she could easily gain the nomination beforehand.”


68 posted on 08/24/2008 9:12:31 AM PDT by Stephanie32 ((NObama08...Because you know that it is Wright to vote against him))
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To: TheNewPundit

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067161/posts

“In Kenya, where Obama’s father is from, a second birth certificate for Obama was issued and registered with Kenya’s government. “


69 posted on 08/24/2008 9:25:09 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: TheNewPundit

McCain doesn’t need Factcheck to cover or defend his record, Obama does....


70 posted on 08/24/2008 9:25:29 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: ryan71
Forget this. Let him run.

Agreed. Let him run and be destroyed at the polls.

Obama losing this election badly will send a very strong message.

Having "The Chosen One" disqualified would martyr him to millions who would never accept his disqualification as "fair." It's the kind of thing that could trigger race riots.

The birth certificate issue is a mountain of distraction for nothing.

71 posted on 08/24/2008 9:26:45 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: TheNewPundit

It is always important to be truthful.


72 posted on 08/24/2008 9:28:06 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The ruling Chinese oligarchy is the envy of the American Left.)
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To: Savage Beast

“It is always important to be truthful.”

Are there any political fact checking websites that are legit. as far as dissecting information that is being floated? I looked at Politichek but didn’t like it. Since this came out about factcheck.org I was wondering if there was one that wasn’t biased. I googled but didn’t find anything. Is there anyone who uses one that they like?


73 posted on 08/24/2008 9:37:34 AM PDT by Stephanie32 ((NObama08...Because you know that it is Wright to vote against him))
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To: TheNewPundit
If both Obama's parents were foreign-born, the public might be skeptical of a possibly doctored birth certificate but that is a political question.

The state of Hawaii apparently has determined he was born in Hawaii, to a mother who was an American citizen.

Unless the state of Hawaii is compelled to reverse its position through a legal proceeding, the matter is moot.

Birth records are not a federal matter and I can't see any federal court allowing a challenge to a birth certificate lawfully issued by a state.

74 posted on 08/24/2008 9:41:28 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: TheNewPundit

So? FACTCHECK.org, The Annenberg Foundation and George Soros,etal are ALL ON BOARD FOR OBAMA..now aren’t they?

LOL


75 posted on 08/24/2008 9:49:47 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: MarkeyD

Where bho was born is important, but there are many other reasons I could never cast my vote for him

1.) COLB
Proven fake by more than one source
2.) Sketchy childhood
We know some details - Lots of gaps
3.) College thesis has vanished
Was it anything like Michele’s?
4.) Overseas travel
Pakistan? Why?
5.) Law records
What cases did he represent?
6.) Senate records disappeared
What was he trying to hide?
7.) Associations
Rev Wright, Ayers, Michele etc.
8.) Senate voting record
That speaks for itself
9.) SCOTUS
10.) Proven liar
11.) Office of Presidency is above his paygrade
12.) I’m still clinging to guns and religion


76 posted on 08/24/2008 9:52:03 AM PDT by mouse1 (I'VE BEEN CALLED A REDNECK BIGOT AND I'M PROUD OF IT!!)
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To: mouse1

This is a bigger issue due to the total unreliability of the Media including FactCheck.org to do the job of vetting a Presidential candidate that has lied and obscured his history. This is a job for the USDOJ now that the question has remained unanswered by the seeker of the office.
I am glad that a lawsuit has been filed and hope it will provide the answer to this question before the election!


77 posted on 08/24/2008 10:14:54 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: pissant
Obama released a forged COLB. That is a fact. And so called “Fact Check” is full of BS.

Pissant, the author of this piece, Jessica Henig, is the daughter of Robin Marantz Henig, who writes for the NY Times and WaPo. A fine science writer but very much a liberal.

There is evidence that the apple has not fallen far from the tree.

78 posted on 08/24/2008 10:47:09 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Here is more evidence...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067140/posts


79 posted on 08/24/2008 10:50:34 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: TheNewPundit

I added the keyword CertifiGate. Also, this is about the 3rd time this article has been posted (with the same title).


80 posted on 08/24/2008 11:09:19 AM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: TheNewPundit
It is important to keep our focus on the truth instead of getting caught up in rumors and spin.

Exactly. There's arguments of much more substance to be made against Obama.

81 posted on 08/24/2008 12:06:26 PM PDT by Crankologist
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To: EagleUSA

What is also indisputably true Is that the COLB that the Obama campaign has proffered for proof of Obama’s natural born citizenship is a document that is devoid of the normal Indications of provenence that one expects to see on an official government document that enables it to be authenticated. It has no birth certificate number, no official State of Hawaii seal, and no official signatures. It looks to be in every way a crude forgery. The question should be, why has the Obama campaign not released indisputable evidence of his natural born citizenship? The WORST that should happen is that he does so, and this issue gets laid to rest. We will have provided a valuable service to the American people in satisfying a question of his constitutional eligibility and can devote our energies to exposing him for the radical crypto-Marxist that he really is. Or we will have shown that a presidential candidate is willing to defraud the American people by proffering an illegally altered government document to enable his election to the highest office in the land. This could possibly lead to felony criminal charges against persons in the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign is amazingly quick to respond to real and imagined slurs. They are suspiciously silent on this. I suspect that they are hoping that it will remain unexamined, and are counting on their in the tank MSM allies to hush it up.

We already know that a corrupt Democrat Congress will not vote to impeach and remove corrupt Democrat presidents from office despite clear evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. We know that Democrats almost NEVER resign when they have been caught in various forms of political criminality. Should (GOD forbid) Barack Hussein Obama ever take the oath of office, and it is subsequently proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is NOT natural born, than there will be no legal way to remove him from office. This could (at best) lead to a constitutional crisis and worst a civil war. Not a War Between the States, but an honest to God fight over who controls the government.

This is NOT a subsidiary issue. It is of greater importance constitutionally than Obama’s position on health care, Iraq, the energy policy, or national health care. It is crucial to our standing as a constitutional republic.
We should be insisting the he release the proper documents. We should not be apologetic about upholding the constitution. We already have proof positive as to what an inveterate liar that he has already shown himself to be as seeks to create myths about himself.


82 posted on 08/24/2008 1:44:26 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

“In Kenya, where Obama’s father is from, a second birth certificate for Obama was issued and registered with Kenya’s government. “

That means nothing because Kenyan law does not override US law.


83 posted on 08/24/2008 2:51:45 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: rlmorel

And if Obama pulled any funny business with his birth certificate he would be in serious trouble for falsifying a document.

Impeachment and banished for US Senate.
Maybe prison time?

We must continue in our great adventure.
Tally Ho!


84 posted on 08/24/2008 6:33:20 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Da Coyote
Factcheck appears to have a good case. However, I’d like to know if any of the “researchers” the produced this report once worked for 1) any of the networks or 2) any of the MSM. If the answer is yes for either, I withdraw my trust, since these clowns have repeatedly demonstrated their lack of talent, ability, and honesty.

FactCheck has a good case for being obfuscating. They have cropped out any of the evidence that shows their paper COLB is bogus.

85 posted on 08/27/2008 5:44:57 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: TheNewPundit
With all of the other issues to raise, why, on earth. do you even bother writing about Obama's bogus birth certificate saga?

Why aren't you writing posts about the "other issues?"

While you're pondering that answer, why did FactCheck say, in its Aug 26 update to this article, dated Aug 21, that "they did not learn anything about the 'security paper' that COLBs are printed on," when they were allegedly fondling OBama's real COLB six days earlier?

86 posted on 09/01/2008 7:34:15 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: TheNewPundit
FYI:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2086586/posts

87 posted on 09/20/2008 9:35:08 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik

“Why aren’t you writing posts about the “other issues?””

Speaking without reference can make you look silly. It doesn’t take long to check a profile.


88 posted on 09/20/2008 6:20:25 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit
Why aren’t you writing posts about the “other issues?””

Speaking without reference can make you look silly. It doesn't take long to check a profile.

What the heck are you talking about?

89 posted on 09/21/2008 7:31:18 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik

“What the heck are you talking about?”

You asked me why I am not writing posts about other issues. I find it a bit funny that I am the one being accused of being a noobie and a troll, yet I am the only one who seems to know how to click on a screen name and look at the submitted articles.


90 posted on 09/21/2008 9:46:03 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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