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Free grocery bags targeted for extinction in California
Sacramento Bee ^ | 8/25/8 | Jim Downing

Posted on 08/25/2008 2:36:41 AM PDT by SmithL

The plastic grocery bag is fighting for its crinkly life.

From the city of San Francisco to Los Angeles County, more than a dozen local governments around the state have proposed or passed plastic-bag restrictions, ranging from recycling mandates to outright bans.

Now, a proposal in the Legislature would put a 25-cent fee on all disposable bags – paper or plastic – given out at drug and grocery store check stands starting Jan. 1, 2010. It has won key support from the grocery and retail industries and faces its next legislative step today.

Those in favor of the fee, led by Assemblyman Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys, and a collection of environmental groups, point to dirty oceans, sewers fouled with plastic and millions of dollars in litter-cleanup costs. Opponents – mainly bag-industry and taxpayer organizations – say plastic bags draw more blame than they deserve and the fee would be a burden on consumers.

"People have completely lost their perspective," said Stephen Joseph, a Tiburon lawyer who runs savetheplasticbag.com, an industry group.

Both sides expect a fee would drive shoppers to switch to reusable bags. After Ireland imposed a fee on plastic checkout-counter bags in 2002, their use dropped by about 90 percent.

About 80 percent of bags given out in the state's supermarkets are plastic, according to Californians Against Waste, an advocacy group.

Winning over grocers

Powerful grocery and retail industry groups objected to an early version of the proposal that put a fee only on plastic bags. They worried that stores would be pressured to switch to paper bags, which cost about 8 cents each vs. about 1.5 cents for a plastic bag.

Now that the measure – Assembly Bill 2769 – covers both paper and plastic, though, grocers are behind it.

Big supermarket and drugstore chains would rather have a single statewide standard...

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab2769; bags; callegislation; environment; govwatch; greens; grocery; grocerybags; paperbags; plasticbags; tax
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These people want your groceries to cost more
1 posted on 08/25/2008 2:36:41 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

The state of California is swirling around in the toilet bowl and the lawmakers are concerned with grocery bags.
Priorities.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 2:39:35 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: SmithL
How are people going to change their cat boxes? Seriously. I'm stockpiling bags in the garage in anticipation of a ban here in Virginia. I'm afraid since the greenies are so frustrated by the failure of smoking bans here, they'll focus on bags and the Assembly will throw them that bone.
3 posted on 08/25/2008 2:45:12 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: SmithL

Watch for a huge increase in stolen shopping carts.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 2:49:24 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: SmithL

Its now Kalifornia.....comrades......


5 posted on 08/25/2008 2:53:11 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCLAME VS. NOBOMBEM.......What a choice?)
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To: SmithL

The Soviet Socialist Republik of Kalifornia is keeping its citizens in line.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 2:53:45 AM PDT by Allegra (It's above my pay grade.)
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To: SmithL

We went this route in South Africa about 5 years ago. At first people acquired re-usable bags (on sale at our supermarkets - at no profit we were told), but many people gradually slipped into their old habits and just got used to paying for the plastic bags. I have to admit, though, that you see a lot less of them lying around - they used to be known as our national flower!


7 posted on 08/25/2008 3:14:55 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: Diapason
Same here on Taiwan. Bring your own bag or buy one for a penny or 2. No big deal. Also...much much less trash bags floating around the streets and parks. Also, most places make their boxes available free if you have a large amount of groceries. I also have several canvas bags that are great...use, wash and re-use.

People complain without thinking this through.
8 posted on 08/25/2008 3:24:34 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Tainan
We just started using reusable bags and like them much more than plastic.
We made the change because we were tired of the bag boys putting three items in a bag and we having to tote 15 bags out to the car and watch everything flop out of said bags before we got home.
There are a lot better uses for the plastic.
9 posted on 08/25/2008 3:34:18 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: nina0113
How are people going to change their cat boxes? Seriously. I'm stockpiling bags in the garage in anticipation of a ban here in Virginia.

Wow - me too and for the same reason...

If there are bags at the end of the checkout line, I quietly double bag my purchase just for the extra bag.

Crazy times we live in!

10 posted on 08/25/2008 3:51:10 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Recon Dad

We use the grocery plastic in our kitchen trash can. If the nanny staters take them away, we’ll just end up buying the bigger, thicker plastic bags for our kitchen garbage. Yeah, that will really save the environment. This is another ethanol or CFL debacle in the making.


11 posted on 08/25/2008 3:53:40 AM PDT by GnL
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To: SmithL

How do so many fruitcakes get in office?
These commy greenies and their global warmist friends will destroy our country.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 4:12:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Tainan
People, especially Americans, complain because it is totalitarian to put a fee on grocery bags, especially plastic, which the stupid government forced us into using years ago saying that we were killing all our trees. Paper bags are great and, like plastic, are included in the price of your groceries now, they are not "free" as the grocers would have you believe. Grocers are all for this because it will increase their profit margins as they will NOT lower the price of groceries to reflect the price of the Grocery bags they no longer have to buy or are receiving extra compensation for after this inane law passes.

The main point is this: If grocery stores, and others, wish to put a fee on bags that is their business, if they don't that is their business. Our government(the USA)has no rights to interfere in private enterprise and especially no right to impose a fee, SAY TAX, on grocery bags.

The wide use of plastic is tied directly to the greenies who now do not own their mistake in pushing them 30 years ago.

I say f*** the government and especially California's government.

13 posted on 08/25/2008 4:15:22 AM PDT by calex59
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To: SmithL
A word to the wise for the nanny staters (of left and right):
14 posted on 08/25/2008 4:23:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: SmithL

No government has any right to tell sellers what the price is for an item. That’s communism. Once this is happens, there will be one more board in the plank of communism in the once-great state of California.


15 posted on 08/25/2008 4:25:13 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: SmithL

The Aldi Mart grocery store model!


16 posted on 08/25/2008 4:27:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: calex59
"I say f*** the government and especially California's government."

A noble, and quite ambitious, endeavor.
When I lived in California I shopped at a grocery chain named 'Ralphs.' I also preferred paper bags. A nice thing was that if I saved my bags and brought them back for re-use I was given a small credit for each bag. I liked that.
17 posted on 08/25/2008 4:27:52 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Recon Dad
We just started using reusable bags and like them much more than plastic.

We made the change because we were tired of the bag boys putting three items in a bag and we having to tote 15 bags out to the car and watch everything flop out of said bags before we got home.

There are a lot better uses for the plastic.

That's true, oil is too expensive to waste on grocery bags.

The last time we bought groceries at Wallyworld,we bought a insulated reusable bag to use. We put it in front of the groceries so it could be scanned & then used, but the twit running the cashier started to fold it up & put it in a plastic bag. She then ask if we wanted everything in the bag. I told her I didn't think everything would fit in there but most of our cold stuff would.

18 posted on 08/25/2008 5:00:34 AM PDT by Smittie
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To: BooksForTheRight.com

The man heading the Democrat ticket has said he intends to TELL YOU how warm you can keep your home, TELL the car manufacturers that they cannot sell SUVs and TELL YOU how many calories you can eat.

This once-great nation is really rotting from the inside.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 5:53:51 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: nina0113
How are people going to change their cat boxes? Seriously. I'm stockpiling bags in the garage in anticipation of a ban here in Virginia.

This Californian says more power to you!

20 posted on 08/25/2008 8:37:06 AM PDT by newzjunkey (YES on CA PROP 4. (Family notification for underage abortions))
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