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“Help me out here, Madam Speaker” ( “I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins” )
California Catholic Daily ^ | August 25, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/25/2008 7:50:09 AM PDT by kellynla

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, described herself yesterday morning on NBC’s Meet the Press as “an ardent, practicing Catholic,” then told moderator Tom Brokaw and an audience of millions that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear.

Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views. “The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose,” she said. “Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child -- first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and – to -- that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god.”

Brokaw was quizzing the Speaker on Sen. Barack Obama’s response last week to Pastor Rick Warren’s straightforward question at the Saddleback Forum, “At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?”

Asked Brokaw, “Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, ‘Help me out here, Madam Speaker. When does life begin?’ what would you tell him?”

Here is Pelosi’s response: “I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator -- St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know... And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins.

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Pelosi,“an ardent, practicing Catholic?”
1 posted on 08/25/2008 7:50:09 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; narses; NYer; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 08/25/2008 7:51:16 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Pelosi is, and always has been, an ardent, practicing IDIOT.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 7:53:12 AM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: kellynla
Archbishop Niederauer, pick up the red courtesy phone please. Archbishop Niederauer . . . .

< crickets >

4 posted on 08/25/2008 7:53:48 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: kellynla

Pelosi,“an ardent, practicing Catholic?”
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Hmmm. Whatever that really means, other than a miserable attempt at pandering to the Catholic vote. And I think the Kennedys are “ardent practicing Catholics” too. Just ask people like Mary Jo and Norma Jean — if they were still around....yes, they did alot of practicing.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 7:54:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: kellynla; SmithL
Pelosi,“an ardent, practicing Catholic?”

Yeah. Just like these are "Nuns."

6 posted on 08/25/2008 7:54:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: kellynla
Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views.

I don't ever recall hearing about the Immaculate Unviable Tissue Mass in church.

7 posted on 08/25/2008 7:54:52 AM PDT by edpc (@#&!*$)
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To: kellynla

Science knows absolutely how life began and how man is ruining the climate but has no clue as to when life begins.

It is a philosphical question. In some nations they are pushing for terminating a baby up to the first 2 years (if there are birth defects, etc.).

Every chile’ a wanted child. < /s >

Liberals are mean.


8 posted on 08/25/2008 7:56:03 AM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: kellynla

“that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear”

Assuming this is true, where does it say it is OK to kill the baby.


9 posted on 08/25/2008 7:56:26 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: kellynla

Hey, Pelosi,

if you see some movement in the brush, is it moral to shoot at it when you don’t know if it’s a person or not?


10 posted on 08/25/2008 7:56:39 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kellynla
**Pelosi,“an ardent, practicing Catholic?”**

Pelosi is a CINO who has excommunicated herself from the Catholic Church by supporting abortion. If she were a REAL Catholic she would have quoted the following to Brokaw.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

11 posted on 08/25/2008 7:57:10 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla

I’m not a Catholic, but from what I do know, the Church is pretty clear on when life begins, and has publicly stated on several occasions.

And Nancy says even if life begins at conception, then she’s still in favor of abortion. Hmmm...taking a human life after it has begun. Somehow in Nancy’s mind this is not murder. What a truly stupid, twisted person.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 7:57:16 AM PDT by henkster ((Tagline under reconstruction))
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To: kellynla
I would love to know how “Catholic” pro-choice politicians who speak and vote pro-abortion are not automatically excommunicated. It is scandalous to the Church AND perhaps leads weak-minded Catholics astray (i.e., if Nancy Pelosi can feel that way, then so can I).
13 posted on 08/25/2008 7:57:44 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: All

Pelosi outright lied about what she knows is Catholic teaching.

She state, “I’ve studied all of the Church Fathers and even Augustin thought life began at 3 months, but he wasn’t sure...thus, this has always been a controversey in the Catholic Church.”

LOL, what a liar. There is not controversey in the Catholic Church on the evil and grave sin of abortion.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 7:57:46 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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To: weegee

Abortion is the quintessential

Good vs Evil

issue.


15 posted on 08/25/2008 7:57:53 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kellynla; antonius

16 posted on 08/25/2008 7:58:19 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla

>>Pelosi,“an ardent, practicing Catholic?”

If her definition is correct, then I am the Pope.

Ergo, since I am NOT the Pope; she is a liar. QED


17 posted on 08/25/2008 7:58:47 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: kellynla

Pelosi is a perfected noodlebrain.
The Roman Catholic church, of which she is an ardent member, is bitterly opposed to contraception (and abortion)and has been so for more than 50 yrs. “Family planning and all that” are of special concern to Rome. They welcome ALL to the banquet table of life.
How is it that there are so many people in our great country who are bamboozled by frauds and liars like Pelosi?


18 posted on 08/25/2008 7:58:49 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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To: kellynla

If it isn’t a baby at 6 months, what is the “thing” when it is put on life support outside of the womb (either from an induced early delivery or saving the baby when the mother is dead from a car accident or murder, etc.)?

And if the threshold is going to “viablity”, then that comes at like a year or two. Until they they will not be mobile enough to seek out food on their own.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 7:58:53 AM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: kellynla

When you examine the pedigree of their ideas, what you come to understand is that the abortion issue is one of the keystones to devaluing human life. This is something that is implicit in the ideology of the Left; it’s cast into their philosophical DNA.

Humans are things.

That the essence of it. Humans are fungible and ultimately disposable “assets”.

This is why you’ve got the likes of Margaret Sanger and Dr. Peter Singer doing their damndest to move the goalposts when it comes to defining life and humanity. Singer, for example, has argued that infants up to 28 months old don’t really have any cognitive ability that defines them as human. So it’s OK to ‘terminate’ them if the parent (or really, the State) so chooses.

Who lives, who dies. That’s the power they seek. They are all monsters, monsters from the deepest dark heart of of our existence and history is replete with the outcomes and the evidence of their sick Utopian ideas.

History also tells us what we must do to deal with them. As does my tagline.


20 posted on 08/25/2008 7:59:13 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and pick up a gun.)
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To: kellynla

“Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views. “The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose,” she said.”

Using that logic it’s okay for a woman to choose to drownd her 5 kids in a bath tub.


21 posted on 08/25/2008 7:59:22 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: kellynla
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, described herself yesterday morning on NBC’s Meet the Press as “an ardent, practicing Catholic,” then told moderator Tom Brokaw and an audience of millions that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear.

Pardon me but ... WTF???!!!!! I'm so sick of the media letting these CINOs tell the world about the Catholic Church. They are wrong and they know it. They just tell themselves these things to satisfy their own consciences.

22 posted on 08/25/2008 7:59:33 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Heartland Mom

**“Catholic” pro-choice politicians who speak and vote pro-abortion are not automatically excommunicated. **

They are.

Please read the post above

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067572/posts?page=11#11


23 posted on 08/25/2008 8:00:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: henkster

Your thought processes have to be as messed up as a pile of hangers to justify liberal positions on anything.


24 posted on 08/25/2008 8:00:21 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kellynla

Just once I’d like to hear an interviewer take to task someone who claims the believe abortion is wrong, but defends other people’s right to choose. If you BELIEVE that abortion is the killing of an innocent life — if you truly believe that — how can you allow others to take that life?


25 posted on 08/25/2008 8:00:29 AM PDT by trublu
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To: Hildy

“....Pelosi is, and always has been, an ardent, practicing IDIOT...”

Practice makes perfect!


26 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:14 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: kellynla

Obviously, our dear ‘speaker’ has never read the Bible...or if she has...she doesn’t give much credence to what it says. It makes no bones about when life begins.


27 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:20 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: edpc
I read in a recent Peggy Noonan column that “anyone who has ever bought a condom knows exactly when life begins”. I think that message should be drilled into any speaker who suggests that the question of when human life and rights begin is beyond their “pay grade”.

Speaking of which, the suggestion of being incapable of answering the question seems to be one of comprehension, not compensation. Just a thought.

28 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:33 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (Angels want to wear my red shoes...)
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To: kellynla

Peggy Noonan made an interesting observation in her WSJ column: “You know why they call it birth control? Because it’s meant to stop a birth from happening nine months later. We know when life begins. Everyone who ever bought a pack of condoms knows when life begins.”


29 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:37 AM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: Noumenon

Human beings:

Evolved apes,
or the crowning glory of God’s creation, housing an eternal soul created in God’s image?


30 posted on 08/25/2008 8:02:08 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kellynla

Given that answer, it is doubtful that Pelosi’s human life has yet begun.


31 posted on 08/25/2008 8:02:35 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: kellynla

I miss the old days. Wasn’t the discussion whether or not life begins at birth or earlier. When did people come up with the life didn’t begin at birth argument?


32 posted on 08/25/2008 8:03:31 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kellynla
I liked the argument Peggy Noonan used. There is a reason they call it birth control.
33 posted on 08/25/2008 8:04:01 AM PDT by Free State Four
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Maybe life begins at age 1. Age 3 maybe? Maybe a woman ought to have the right to choose whether she wants to be a mother or not up until the child is....say..... 7 years old???? I’ve got teen agers, maybe it should be up until 18, as they’re getting really sassy now and I should have the right to choose.

After-all, it’s all about the right to choose /yes.....sarcasm.


34 posted on 08/25/2008 8:04:39 AM PDT by LaurenD
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To: kellynla
Abortion is a turning point for the election this year -- posts from FR alone!

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Barack Obama's Sole Article in Harvard Law Review Promotes Abortion

Why Obama Really Voted For Infanticide
Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

OBAMA AND INFANTICIDE (Reinhard)
They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
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Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
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Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
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Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
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Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
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35 posted on 08/25/2008 8:04:53 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

>>Pelosi is a CINO who has excommunicated herself from the Catholic Church by supporting abortion.

I am really tired of this “excommunicated herself” crap. That is just a cop-out on the part of the Bishops to avoid “offending” anyone. Throw their A$$es out, publicly. Watch how quick the message gets across.

BTW, by her public words, she has committed and persisted in her heresy. She is NOT a Catholic, she is a heretic. I don’t know what she practices, but sure ain’t Catholicism.


36 posted on 08/25/2008 8:05:08 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: MrB
if you see some movement in the brush, is it moral to shoot at it when you don’t know if it’s a person or not?

One of the best rejoinders I've seen. Nice one.

37 posted on 08/25/2008 8:05:12 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great (until it happens to YOU)...)
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To: All; Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

For those of you who haven’t already seen this:

“Until they have reformed their lives”

No Communion for pro-abortion Catholics, says Archbishop Burke

California Catholic Daily

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) — Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians — should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.
“If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege,” he added.

“We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist,” the archbishop continued. “Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious — if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”

“If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother’s womb,” he warned.

Archbishop Burke also noted that when a bishop or a Church leader prevents an abortion supporter from receiving Communion, “it is not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well.

“Therefore, it is simply ridiculous and wrong to try to silence a pastor, accusing him of interferi ng in politics so that he cannot do good to the soul of a member of his flock,” he stated.
http://calcatholic.com/news/newsArticlePrintable.aspx?id=ae7464ca-97de-4e56-88c8-3004d2adf4ba


38 posted on 08/25/2008 8:06:15 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Heartland Mom
It is scandalous to the Church AND perhaps leads weak-minded Catholics astray (i.e., if Nancy Pelosi can feel that way, then so can I).

Exactly. Every moment the bishops remain silent makes it worse. They should have said something as soon as the Dems named Biden (a "pro-choice Catholic," sorry, but there ain't no such animal).

My theory is that picking somebody like Biden was a challenge to the Catholic Church. It already appears that the Dems have won that one without even a fight.

39 posted on 08/25/2008 8:08:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: henkster

Actually the debate was more over when the soul entered the body, not when life began. There were some that held that this did not happen until the “quickening”, the first movements of the baby.

Science has allowed us to see into the womb and shown us that from the moment of conception, humans have separate and unique DNA.

Funny how all the pro-aborts who are so enamored with the science of global warming and embryonic stem cell research
ignore the clear science of DNA and ultrasound.


40 posted on 08/25/2008 8:09:33 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: kellynla

Just wondering when Judgement Day comes when all who were ardent supporters of abortion will get to see all the millions of souls who were aborted as if evidence in a courtroom. The Supreme Court of Heaven will not be straddled with a Roe v. Wade albatross either.


41 posted on 08/25/2008 8:09:44 AM PDT by tflabo (.)
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To: Noumenon

To the left, human beings are the property of the State and are defined and permitted to live only in the way that is useful to what the State perceives as its interests.


42 posted on 08/25/2008 8:09:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: NTHockey
I am really tired of this “excommunicated herself” crap.

You're right, that's a chicksht position. The leaders of the Catholic Church need to step up and actually kick these people out publicly.

43 posted on 08/25/2008 8:10:55 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: edcoil
“that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear”

The Catholic church is absolutely clear on this issue, Nancy should leave the church if she feels differently.
44 posted on 08/25/2008 8:11:25 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: kellynla

It depends on your definition of ardent.


45 posted on 08/25/2008 8:11:38 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.***)
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To: Heartland Mom

“I would love to know how “Catholic” pro-choice politicians who speak and vote pro-abortion are not automatically excommunicated.”

They ARE automatically excommunicated. The Pope has recently affirmed this. It is nothing new. The mainstream media has simply never given this the attention it deserves and continues to cloak these pro-abortion politicians in the *Catholic* mantle.


46 posted on 08/25/2008 8:12:07 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: kellynla

“Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views.”

I remember seeing a priest on the old Cross Talk program who was being harranged by liberal Catholic women about how the church didn’t represent women on abortion, priesthood, etc. He said if you disagree with the Church on abortion, you’re not a Catholic, try the Espiscopalians.

Pelosi is a Catholic in name only and probably only for political reasons I’d bet. I hope she spends eternity in the lowest ring of hell bobbing in baby guts.


47 posted on 08/25/2008 8:13:07 AM PDT by y6162 (uot)
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To: jaydubya2
“that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear”

What this means is that it is unclear to her. In the typical liberal fashion, lack of clarity always is out there in the world, never in the liberal's own head, even if it's projected onto the world around him.
48 posted on 08/25/2008 8:14:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: kellynla
And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins.

Medical science can (conception).

49 posted on 08/25/2008 8:16:20 AM PDT by chimera
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To: kellynla
Monica Crowley put it in simple terms yesterday:

"Anyone who has ever bought a condom knows when life begins."

50 posted on 08/25/2008 8:16:37 AM PDT by FlyVet
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