Skip to comments.“Help me out here, Madam Speaker” ( “I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins” )
Posted on 08/25/2008 7:50:09 AM PDT by kellynla
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, described herself yesterday morning on NBCs Meet the Press as an ardent, practicing Catholic, then told moderator Tom Brokaw and an audience of millions that Church teaching on when human life begins is unclear.
Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose, she said. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child -- first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and to -- that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god.
Brokaw was quizzing the Speaker on Sen. Barack Obamas response last week to Pastor Rick Warrens straightforward question at the Saddleback Forum, At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?
Asked Brokaw, Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, Help me out here, Madam Speaker. When does life begin? what would you tell him?
Here is Pelosis response: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator -- St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know... And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins.
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Just wondering when Judgement Day comes when all who were ardent supporters of abortion will get to see all the millions of souls who were aborted as if evidence in a courtroom. The Supreme Court of Heaven will not be straddled with a Roe v. Wade albatross either.
To the left, human beings are the property of the State and are defined and permitted to live only in the way that is useful to what the State perceives as its interests.
You're right, that's a chicksht position. The leaders of the Catholic Church need to step up and actually kick these people out publicly.
It depends on your definition of ardent.
“I would love to know how Catholic pro-choice politicians who speak and vote pro-abortion are not automatically excommunicated.”
They ARE automatically excommunicated. The Pope has recently affirmed this. It is nothing new. The mainstream media has simply never given this the attention it deserves and continues to cloak these pro-abortion politicians in the *Catholic* mantle.
“Besides, said Pelosi, even if life does begin at conception, that would not change her pro-abortion views.”
I remember seeing a priest on the old Cross Talk program who was being harranged by liberal Catholic women about how the church didn’t represent women on abortion, priesthood, etc. He said if you disagree with the Church on abortion, you’re not a Catholic, try the Espiscopalians.
Pelosi is a Catholic in name only and probably only for political reasons I’d bet. I hope she spends eternity in the lowest ring of hell bobbing in baby guts.
Medical science can (conception).
"Anyone who has ever bought a condom knows when life begins."
Perhaps Pelosi is unclear about when life begins because either she herself was born permanently brain-dead or she has her head so far up her @ss that she can’t see things clearly...or more likely both!
I tell my lib friends that the right to be born trumps the right to choose life. The mother has already had the right to live, her child hasn’t.
More like almost 2000 years. The Church's opposition to infanticide, abortion, and contraception goes back to "day one" of the Church. There has been some question on when a human life actually started, as there was zip scientific knowledge of the process of conception and gestation (lots of practical knowledge, of course), but the Church now knows that the individual human life begins with the union of egg cell and sperm cell, and has so taught since that knowledge was available.
The ‘problem’ is that life began before conception.
This is one area that Catholics and Protestants should be able to agree on.
Our disdain for Abortion. No Christians or people of faith who are ardently against abortion should let these liar politicians - and that is exactly what they are - liars, get away with their lies about abortion.
We Catholics should take it upon ourselves to write our local newspapers and call Speaker Pelosi and Obama on their lies about Life and Abortion. She outright falsified the Truth of God and politicians need to be held to account for their barbaric policies on the unborn babies - and the lies they weave to justify it.
Certainly here is something that despite our doctrinal differences, Catholics and Protestants can unite on.
Her statement is very not true. The Church’s teaching is very clear. Life is precious from the moment of conception until natural death and at every point in between.
Church teaching is also very clear on the matter that there are certain times when those precious lifes may be taken (death penalty and war for example).
Abortion and homosexuality are the reason that the “liberal tradition” churches exist.
Both destroy the family unit, and consequently, our society.
Here, too, Professor Maguire argues that because some Catholic theologians do not consider abortion to be always wrong there is no unitary Catholic position on abortion. In fact, he argues that the dominant current of Catholic tradition supports early abortion because some eminent theologians of the past, such as St. Thomas Aquinas, did not believe that a fetus becomes a human person until several weeks after conception. Such judgments about the status of the fetus were based on the relatively primitive biology of the ancient and medieval periods. More importantly, these theologians never drew the conclusion that abortion was morally justified. Since modern biology provides clear evidence of the humanness of the embryo from the moment of conception, today there can be no reason that can justify the taking of innocent human life that occurs in abortion. Contrary to what Professor Maguire asserts, the Catholic tradition has never supported abortion. The Second Vatican Council clearly stated that “[l]ife must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.” Furthermore, the intrinsic immorality of abortion has been repeatedly and forcefully emphasized by the popes, particularly by Pope John Paul II.”
Plain scripture uninterpreted by the Church is clear on those issues as well, so Protestants should have the same viewpoint.