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To: BlueSun

So, in defending Pelosi, I take it that you are pro abortion or choice, as they like to say.


107 posted on 08/25/2008 1:01:47 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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Since the thread was slightly diluted on a history tangent by a faulty debate tactic (appeal to history), I think I’ll just restate the thrust of the thread and theh Catholic teachings on such.

The thread is about the Speaker of the House misstating the Catholic Church’s position on abortion.

The Catholic Church makes it very clear that abortion is a grave sin. It also states that support for abortion is punishable by the denial of Holy Communion.

Now, although the history lesson of the Catholic Church by a non Catholic is very interesting...according to the Catechism the history is otherwise. But that is not germane to the thread which is not about history but actual teaching of the Church on public policy matters.

This is clear. Pelosi is a liar regarding her attempts to make abortion an issue where a Catholic is “just fine” supporting abortion rights. Below puts it very directly.

“Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) — Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians — should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

That means, Pelosi, Biden, Giuliani, and many others should not be taking Holy Communion in the Catholic Church that they belong to.


108 posted on 08/25/2008 1:31:54 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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To: rbmillerjr
It is interesting that, rather than countering arguments, you seek to assign me into a pigeonhole of a Pelosi and abortion supporter, and thus dismiss me without the uncomfortable mental effort of having to marshall reason or facts to refute me.

I am not defending Pelosi, whom I personally hold in considerable contempt. Nor am I attempting to defend any particular stance on abortion - pro or con. There was nothing in any of my posts that expressed either an approval or disapproval of abortion - only an attempt to explore some of the underlying assumptions (not always correct) that people in this thread seemed to have about the question.

What I am defending is the idea that we all go past our little stereotypes and look deeper for the truths (small 't') that support or contradict them. I have always felt that, if one's opinion can't stand a collision with fact and truth, then it is better to alter one's opinion than try to alter or deny the facts.

Best regards,

- Blue Sun

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

- Herbert Spencer

109 posted on 08/25/2008 1:35:46 PM PDT by BlueSun
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