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To: new cruelty

You have the unfortunate tendency to put words in others’ mouths to change their meaning when their arguments do not support your own belief. How convenient for you.

I was just pointing out that Christians throughout history have disagreed and debated when a fetus is ensouled and when or whether abortion is or is not murder. Pelosi is within that tradition. In fact, if it weren’t for a deal made by Pius IX and Napolean III, to get Napolean’s endorsement of Papal Infallibility, it is not totally beyond the ken that the Church would STILL not consider abortion to be murder during the first four months or so.

It is you who miss the entire point - that for 1869 years, the official Catholic position was that abortion before ensoulment WAS NOT MURDERING UNBORN CHILDREN.

In fact, the penance for abortion (which was sometimes treated as a minor sin against marriage) was the same as for masturbation, and far, far less than that of ‘serious’ sins like adultery.

You can use emotionally-laden words to cover up the fact that you are not offering a reasoned rebuttal to my post (which came straight from the website of the Catholic University of America, BTW). Please try to stick to reason and facts, and not just jingoism.

BTW, I am not totally unfamiliar with Christian theology, or that of the other major religions, as I once was an associate professor of Comparative Religions at a major western university before I gave up teaching, frustrated by the intellectual laziness, as well as the low intellectual quality of too many of the students.


93 posted on 08/25/2008 11:01:54 AM PDT by BlueSun ("When good does evil in its struggle against evil, it becomes indistinguishable from its enemy.”)
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To: BlueSun

Settle down. You’re getting bent out of shape. It is not my intent to convince you. You yourself stated nancy disagrees with current dogma. And I agree with you.


98 posted on 08/25/2008 11:12:04 AM PDT by new cruelty (don't believe the hype)
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