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12 states sue EPA on refinery carbon emissions
Reuters ^ | August 25, 2008

Posted on 08/25/2008 11:46:15 AM PDT by Zakeet

New York and 11 other states are suing federal environmental regulators over greenhouse gas emissions from oil refineries, the New York attorney general's office said on Monday.

The suit, led by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, charges that the Environmental Protection Agency violated the federal Clean Air Act by refusing to issue standards, known as new source performance standards, for controlling global warming pollution emissions from oil refineries.

Note: Other states in the suit are California, Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. New York City and Washington D.C. also joined in the litigation.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Connecticut; US: Delaware; US: District of Columbia; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: New Mexico; US: New York; US: Oregon; US: Rhode Island; US: Vermont; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2008; andrewcuomo; cleanairact; cuomo; democrats; economy; energy; environment; envirowackos; epa; gasprices; globalwarming; govwatch; greens; judiciary; liberals; oil; oilrefineries; pollution

It will be worth it to stop global warming!

1 posted on 08/25/2008 11:46:16 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

I guess these states can do without refined gasoline.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 11:48:04 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: denydenydeny

The Wicked Witch of Ohio needs to get on the ball, no wonder Obama didn’t pick her. Kansas isn’t on the list, she’s getting behind.

Then again, scaring away a $10 billion refinery by jumping all over a $2billion coal plant is a novel technique.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 11:50:11 AM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: denydenydeny

Yep, isn’t this a great subject? (sarcasm). At a time when refining capacity is a problem, and we haven’t been able to build new refineries in this country for years, we’re going to sue over regulating their greenhouse gases.

Okay, what’s the end game of the lawsuit? If the refineries are not in compiance with whatever standards they come up with, what then? Shut them down? Even if it causes gas shortages and price spikes due to artificial tightening of the gas supply?

This lawsuit seems ill-advised to me. Hope it gets thrown out.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 11:52:45 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Zakeet

“New York, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. New York City and Washington D.C. also joined in the litigation.”

Every State listed I believe have screaming Leftist Governance. You get what you vote for.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 11:53:56 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Say Obama were "Pinky", Then who is "The Brain"?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But hey, let's not blame high gas prices on the democrats......no...........it's all those evil Big Oil men, Bush and Cheney that are to blame.

Are the voters possibly that stupid?

6 posted on 08/25/2008 11:56:17 AM PDT by marlon
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To: rockinqsranch

I’m surprised Maryland’s not in there!


8 posted on 08/25/2008 11:58:21 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: denydenydeny

If the RNC was smart they would run advertising about LAWSUITS that hold up oil production AND mention the parties behind those actions. The American people don’t see what shows up in Free Republic, only what is on MSM, so they rarely put two and two together. Just as legal action have driven up medical costs, so too the price of oil and gas.


10 posted on 08/25/2008 12:02:37 PM PDT by q_an_a ( that is right not out in public in the media in mialings to citizens ther)
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To: Zakeet

They’ll be found to be outside some arbitrary guideline, because what is the point of issuing the guidelines if you’re not going to find them in violation?

Then they will be required to pay some kind of monthly “fine” to the state government of maybe a couple million per month.

And they will be required to pay for some kind of “offset”, either buying “credits” from the carbon credit mafia, or else buying land and donating it to the park service. All of this will increase the cost of gasoline at the pump, because corporations don’t pay taxes, they collect them. They don’t pay fines or offsets, they collect the money from the customer.


11 posted on 08/25/2008 12:03:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: Zakeet
From the article;

The suit said about 15 percent of U.S. industrial emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, come from crude refineries, which burn some oil as they make products like gasoline and jet fuel.

Gee, and here I thought that water vapor was the main greenhouse gas. Live and learn.

12 posted on 08/25/2008 12:04:06 PM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: Dogbert41

Not the best form for FR but I agree with you!

LLS


13 posted on 08/25/2008 12:04:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: Zakeet

Alrighty then...

Fact One: We are dependent on gasoline.

Fact Two: Our refinery emissions are better then the majority of the countries out there.

Fact Three: If this ban goes into effect...it will push oil refinery out of our country and into another country with worse refinery emissions...thus increasing carbon emissions that the eco-terrorists are soooo concerned about.

This is the worst idea ever on so many levels.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 12:05:14 PM PDT by BrianInNC
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To: rockinqsranch

When they shut down a refinery or two, then those states can do without gasoline or diesel fuel.


15 posted on 08/25/2008 12:07:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: denydenydeny
No more gas for you!


16 posted on 08/25/2008 12:16:38 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: marron
All of this will increase the cost of gasoline at the pump, because corporations don’t pay taxes, they collect them. They don’t pay fines or offsets, they collect the money from the customer.

Finally someone believes like I do. Go one step further, any fee levied on local business also result in increase in the cost to consumers. All businesses must return a profit, so when taxes are increased, goodbye business. Expand this to every increase government makes and no matter what cute word they call it is paid by the consumer.

17 posted on 08/25/2008 12:18:07 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Zakeet
The same people who accuse President Bush of abusing executive power and intruding into powers delegated to congress are now demanding that the executive branch write EPA regulations without consulting congress.
18 posted on 08/25/2008 12:20:40 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; neverdem; Thunder90; cogitator; PROCON; Delacon; steelyourfaith

Wow! Guess my #7 was a bit harsh for some people. OK, OK, I will merely run those people off my property. To those well-meaning, environmentally concerned citizens who are allied with these cretins, I recommend that they separate themselves from these individuals and groups. I suspect that there’s a storm coming. People just won’t put up with this crap forever. I won’t be a part of it, but I don’t want the decent, concerned citizens getting caught in the crosshairs, either.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 12:25:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: rockinqsranch

Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, son of dumba$$ former Governor Mario Cuomo.

Question: Mario...why did you lose the 1994 election?

Mario’s Answer: The Death Penalty ( Cuomo opposed Pataki supported)

Correct Answer: The 55MPH speed limit. Mario said “ the speed limit in NY will remain 55MPH as long as I am governor”. All those libs from NYC driving to their vacation homes on Lake George, and skiing in Vermont got tired of having the boot of the state police at their throats while on the NYS Thruway, and poof Mario is in the dustbin of history. NY may not have the death penalty, but the speed limit is 65MPH.


20 posted on 08/25/2008 12:28:23 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (I will not vote for Obama not because he is black, but because he is RED)
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To: denydenydeny
Gasoline, road tar, diesel, heating oil, plastic, pharmaceuticals, and jobs, jobs, jobs.

Just when you think they have reached the epitomy of stupidity, they find another pinnacle to scale.

21 posted on 08/25/2008 12:28:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
It doesn't matter if refineries cut their 'greenhouse gas' emissions; it will never be green enough for the liberal envirowacko wing of the Democrat Party:

Greens Thwart Gasoline Production

"... The Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council, or NRDC, successfully pressured the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to block ConocoPhillips’ expansion of its Roxana, Ill., gasoline refinery, which processes heavy crude oil from Canada, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.

The project would have expanded the volume of Canadian crude processed from 60,000 barrels per day to more than 500,000 barrels a day by 2015. After the Illinois EPA had approved the expansion, the green groups petitioned the federal EPA to block it, alleging ConocoPhillips wasn’t using the best available technology for reducing emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides.

Apparently, the plant’s planned 95 percent reduction in sulfur dioxide emissions and 25 percent reduction in nitrogen oxides wasn’t green enough..."



22 posted on 08/25/2008 12:37:06 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I suspect that when it comes to humanity, intelligence has its limit, but stupidity knows no bounds.


23 posted on 08/25/2008 12:37:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: Zakeet
What ticks me off even more is the fact that these morons use their BASELESS rhetoric to try and back up their claims of carbon-based emissions driving up temperatures.... when there is so much science out there disproving this MYTH!!! And of course we all know why they are doing this b/c they KNOW that drilling offshore will pass as well as exploration and drilling in AK, CO, MT, WY, NM... they are trying to contrive MORE ROADBLOCKS to the US ACTUALLY becoming less energy dependent. If you voted democrat at any time in the last 20 years.... you voted for higher prices at the pump, to heat your home, everytime you go to the grocery store.... oh heck you voted to increase your cost of living in EVERY way.... period! You also voted to increase the strength of people like Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Putin.... USA No Domestic Drill Policy
24 posted on 08/25/2008 12:40:43 PM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: zimfam007; MeekOneGOP

BTTT


25 posted on 08/25/2008 1:23:04 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Zakeet; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; ...

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

26 posted on 08/25/2008 1:32:28 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Roccus

“I thought that water vapor was the main greenhouse gas”

Exactly. Plus the “carbon” used in the title is carbon dioxide. What a crock!


27 posted on 08/25/2008 2:15:27 PM PDT by Need4Truth
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To: Zakeet
EPA: "Ya know, guys. You're right. We're sorry. Starting tomorrow, not only are we going to enforce existing regulations, we're going develop even MORE stringent regulations....just for your states. WAY MORE stringent. It's the least we can do to make it up to you and show our gratitude for your..uh..vigilance. In fact, we're so sorry, we're even going to throw in a full scale advertising campaign free of charge to let everyone in your states know that it was THEIR representatives that showed us the light. That's right, a ton of FREE publicity just for you. After all, you deserve it. Sincerely, your friends at the Environmental Protection Agency of the President George W. Bush Administration. XOXOXO"
28 posted on 08/25/2008 2:16:09 PM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: Zakeet

Richardson’s doing his best to shut down the industry here in NM. We have a couple of refineries that are expanding to meet demand and comply with existing AQ rules and now that new technology will be almost worthless because it doesn’t address CO2. Nothing like trying to make a problem out of something that isn’t.

But, of course McCain won’t be any better on this; he’s swallowed the environut’s Kool-aid.


29 posted on 08/25/2008 9:12:40 PM PDT by CedarDave (Rat party platform: Socialist, pro-abortion, tax everyone, surrender to anyone, sex with anything)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I know, I lost control, but dang...


30 posted on 08/25/2008 10:35:35 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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