Posted on 08/25/2008 2:30:44 PM PDT by doug from upland
Augustine of Hippo (354-430)
http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/earlychurchfathers/augustine.html
‘Sometimes, indeed, this lustful cruelty, or if you please, cruel lust, resorts to such extravagant methods as to use poisonous drugs to secure barrenness; or else, if unsuccessful in this, to destroy the conceived seed by some means previous to birth, preferring that its offspring should rather perish than receive vitality; or if it was advancing to life within the womb, should be slain before it was born.’
-De Nube et Concupiscentia 1.17 (15)
On the undeveloped fetus:
Now who is there that is not rather disposed to think that unformed abortions perish, like seeds that have never fructified? But who will dare to deny, though he may not dare to affirm, that at the resurrection every defect in the form shall be supplied, and that thus the perfection which time would have brought shall not be wanting, any more than the blemishes which time did bring shall be present: so that the nature shall neither want anything suitable and in harmony with it that length of days would have added, nor be debased by the presence of anything of an opposite kind that length of days has added; but that what is not yet complete shall be completed, just as what has been injured shall be renewed.
-Enchiridion 23.85.4
On therapeutic abortion:
And therefore the following question may be very carefully inquired into and discussed by learned men, though I do not know whether it is in man’s power to resolve it: At what time the infant begins to live in the womb: whether life exists in a latent form before it manifests itself in the motions of the living being.
To deny that the young who are cut out limb by limb from the womb, lest if they were left there dead the mother should die too, have never been alive, seems too audacious.
Now, from the time that a man begins to live, from that time it is possible for him to die. And if he die, wheresoever death may overtake him, I cannot discover on what principle he can be denied an interest in the resurrection of the dead.
-Enchiridion 23.86
Therefore brothers, you see how perverse they are and hastening wickedness, who are immature, they seek abortion of the conception before the birth; they are those who tell us, “I do not see that which you say must be believed.”
HEARTBEAT DETECTED AT 18 DAYS, BRAINWAVES AT 40 DAYS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZ5V3O5A8o
Larry Elder is on the issue - http://www.kabc.com
What a damned liar pelosi is!
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=4F507ECA-3048-5C12-009A112D84695055
Pope’s visit renews abortion debate
By: Josephine Hearn and Ryan Grim
April 15, 2008 06:48 AM EST
In June 2004, as prominent Catholics in the United States debated whether Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry should be allowed to receive Communion, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger weighed in with what appeared to be an unequivocal opinion: No.
If a politician who supports abortion rights attempts to receive Communion, Ratzinger wrote, the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it.
Ratzinger is to arrive in Washington on Tuesday as Pope Benedict XVI, and his visit to the nations capital is already pitting anti-abortion-rights activists against Roman Catholic lawmakers who support abortion rights, reviving an issue that has received scant attention in Congress or on the campaign trail in recent months.
The conflict could come to a head Thursday, when the pope is scheduled to celebrate a Mass at the Washington Nationals new ballpark. The Vatican has invited all Catholic lawmakers, and many abortion-rights-supporting Catholics including Kerry and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) are expected to attend.
In ads placed in The Washington Times and Politico this week, the anti-abortion-rights American Life League is urging the pontiff to protect the body of Christ from the bloodstained hands of pro-abortion Catholics by denying Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.
Michael Hichborn, ALLs media director, said his group is the largest anti-abortion advocacy organization in the U.S. What we expect is that there will be pro-abortion Catholics who are going to try to receive Communion when the pope holds Mass, he said. Were also hoping that his advisers have fully briefed him on those politicians who may attempt to receive Communion. I dont know how well-prepared hell be.
You presume that everyone there knows the rules of the church and follows them, she said. No one is policing that. People go to church and people go to Communion if they feel in their heart they are prepared to receive Communion.
Abortion-rights-supporting Catholic lawmakers on the Hill seemed reluctant Monday to discuss the issues raised by the popes visit. Representatives for several members said their bosses were traveling and couldnt be reached or were otherwise unavailable for comment.
Drew Hammill, a spokesman for Pelosi, offered a one-line statement: The speaker receives Communion regularly and expects to receive it on Thursday.
Kerry spokesman David Wade said his boss also intends to take Communion on Thursday.
A spokesman for Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), one of the lawmakers singled out for attention in ALLs ads, said that Durbin wont be attending Mass because of floor and committee schedules but that he will go to a papal reception at the Italian Embassy on Wednesday.
Sen. Durbins religion is a private matter, and were not going to comment beyond giving scheduling information, said spokesman Joe Shoemaker.
Ratzingers 2004 opinion appeared in a memo that was sent to then-Washington Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and first reported in the Italian magazine LEspresso. In the memo, which did not mention Kerry by name, Ratzinger said: The church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion, even among Catholics, about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not, however, with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
McCarrick later told Catholic News Service that the memo didnt reflect the full message I received, but he refused to release what more there might have been.
Benedict has not softened the position expressed in the memo. Aboard the papal plane in 2007, he discussed a threat by Mexican Catholic leaders to excommunicate politicians who supported abortion.
According to a Reuters report, the pope supported the proposed excommunication.
Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon law, which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving Communion, which is receiving the body of Christ, he said.
The Mexican church leaders did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the church, he went on.
Walsh said that while the pope supported the Mexican church leaders right to excommunicate lawmakers who support abortion rights, they eventually chose not to do so.
Catholic lawmakers in the United States have periodically come under attack for failing to follow all of the Vaticans teachings in their politics, particularly on abortion rights.
When the pontiff made his comments about Communion and abortion in the context of the Mexican political debate last year, some Catholic House Democrats, led by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), responded by issuing a statement in which they stressed their efforts to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
Advancing respect for life and for the dignity of every human being is, as our church has taught us, our own lifes mission, the lawmakers said in a May 2007 statement. Each of us is committed to reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies and creating an environment with policies that encourage pregnancies to be carried to term.
WASHINGTON--Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman of the U.S. Bishops Committee on Doctrine, have issued the following statement:
In the course of a Meet the Press interview on abortion and other public issues on August 24, 2008, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi misrepresented the history and nature of the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church against abortion.
The Church has always taught that human life deserves respect from its very beginning and that procured abortion is a grave moral evil. In the Middle Ages, uninformed and inadequate theories about embryology led some theologians to speculate that specifically human life capable of receiving an immortal soul may not exist until a few weeks into pregnancy. While in canon law these theories led to a distinction in penalties between very early and later abortions, the Churchs moral teaching never justified or permitted abortion at any stage of development.
These mistaken biological theories became obsolete over 150 years ago when scientists discovered that a new human individual comes into being from the union of sperm and egg at fertilization. In keeping with this modern understanding, the Church has long taught that from the time of conception (fertilization), each member of the human species must be given the full respect due to a human person, beginning with respect for the fundamental right to life.
LOL!
See also Basil of Caesarea:
“Women also who administer drugs to cause abortion, as well as those who take poisons to destroy unborn children, are murderesses. So much on this subject.”
Letter CLXXXVIII, chap. VIII
Letter to Amphilochius
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