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As a result, I think we may look back and find that Mr. Obama's inroads among evangelicals and Catholics ended at Saddleback.

There NEVER should have been any "inroads" made!

1 posted on 08/25/2008 3:58:16 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/25/2008 3:59:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/25/2008 4:00:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Obviously a new human life begins at the moment of conception. It is human, not a mass of tissue, as the feminazis say.

4 posted on 08/25/2008 4:33:47 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: wagglebee

That life begins at conception, is a “core issue of faith?”

Interesting that the libs do not so categorize the belief that the ancestor, a billion years ago, was a protozoan, or the ancestor a few million years ago was a type of monkey; that’s not called a core issue of faith. But the entity that is conceived by humans, let’s not be hasty and call that a human life! That’s just your faith talking.

5 posted on 08/25/2008 4:35:31 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Obama bin Biden -- So let it be written; so let it be done!)
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To: wagglebee
My list keeps growing and growing. Obama is on the WRONG side of this issue! He and Biden will lose the election.

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6 posted on 08/25/2008 4:43:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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“What political issue could possibly outweigh this human devastation” of 40 million deaths through abortion? “The answer, of course, is that there is none. … It is time to put away the arguments of political spin masters that only serve to justify abortion killing. We have heard a great deal this year about the need for change. But at the same time we are told that one thing cannot change – namely, the abortion regime of Roe vs. Wade.

“It is time that we demand real change, and real change means the end of Roe vs. Wade.”

Carl Anderson, Knights of Columbus - Annual Report

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9 posted on 08/25/2008 4:44:45 PM PDT by (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at
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The Catholic Church that I'm familiar with in the Chicago area have a strict policy of separation of church and state. State trumps church everytime.
By refusing to excommunicate those liberal politicans who claim to be Catholic while endorsing abortion issues, the Church has become an enormous corporation interested only in the bottom line. The local priests here quietly endorse the Democratic Party and advice the elderly to vote that way. The number of families who attend church has dwindled. Looking at the hypocricy in the church, who could blame them. From the gay priest scandals to the phoney outrage about abortion, they have shown their hand and it's dirty.
11 posted on 08/25/2008 4:58:09 PM PDT by The Brush
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I’m going to venture off the reservation here. Does it really matter one whit the way one votes when it comes to ending infanticide?

Contrary to the views of (I suspect) most assembled here, I don’t think it does. If Sen. Obama is elected, the status quo won’t change much. Infanticide will remain legal. However if Sen. McCain is elected, the staus quo won’t change much either. Infanticide will likely remain legal. And I base that on what we’ve seen under several years of GOP control of all three branches of government. The GOP had every opportunity to make serious inroads toward ending the savage practice. Yet it didn’t. So why should any pro-creation conservative get excited about the prospect of a McCain presidency?

Of course I take it as a given that those who are pro-creation will not vote for Sen. Obama. I know I won’t, but it’s not because I think it’s going to change the legal situation with regard to unborn children.

I think this really gets to a bigger issue that we who are pro-creation tend to avoid talking about: whether approaching abortion from the perspective of partisan politics makes any sense.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 5:36:47 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: wagglebee
As explained to me by a Catholic convert, their interpretation of when life begins is that life is a continuum. It takes a live sperm and a live egg to create a live human being. Hence, life is already present at conception. From there on we can say an unique human person exists. Human life is ongoing and has no beginning, only an end. Abortion kills, destroys, a live human being. Abortion advocates may contend that abortion is justified for any number of reasons, but denying that a human life is being taken is just not biologically sustainable.
17 posted on 08/25/2008 6:00:30 PM PDT by mountainfolk ( God bless President George Bush)
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