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Message of change will doom Barack Obama, swing voters warn
Telegraph ^ | August 26, 2008 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 08/25/2008 10:37:27 PM PDT by Schnucki

Barack Obama will lose the November election to John McCain unless he overhauls his message of change, outlines specific plans and reassures Americans that he is one of them, according to swing voters in Denver.

The results of a focus group held by Frank Luntz, the leading American pollster, on the eve of the Democratic convention should sound alarm bells for the Obama campaign after a month in which Mr McCain, the Republican, has drawn level in the polls.

"The way that he gets here to the Democratic nomination - 'change' - is not how he gets there, to the White House," said Mr Luntz. "If it's change, by itself, he will fail. Change what? Change how? Change why?" Mr Luntz is a Republican but his work on focus groups is respected on both sides of the aisle.

Some 21 carefully-selected undecided voters were gathered in a conference room in a downtown skyscraper. Observed by The Daily Telegraph and a small group of other media through a one-way mirror, they were grilled by Mr Luntz about their views of the candidates in a two-hour session.

Although 12 said they had voted for President George W. Bush in 2004, not a single person described themselves as a Republican - bad news for Mr McCain, who has to shake off his party label to claim victory.

But these undecideds were willing to separate their disdain for the Republican party from the individual candidates. The one-word descriptions of Mr Obama showed he has mountain to climb to overcome the doubts of these swing voters in the swing state of Colorado - a top Democratic target in November.

Among the words offered for Mr Obama: apocalypse, terrifying, scary, pizzazz, unknown, inexperienced, innovative, new, charismatic, smooth, unaffordable, change, hopeful.

Mr McCain's name inspired: dependable, strong,

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; change; conservatism; luntz; mccain; obama; republicanparty; swingvote

1 posted on 08/25/2008 10:37:27 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

I’ve always said, change for change’s sake is for dumbasses. I really get PO’d at these snotty-nosed, 18 and 19 year old college kids who are always running around and whining that we need more “change.” MORONS!


2 posted on 08/25/2008 10:40:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (A History and Science Minute.- "Climate change" has been going on for millions of years!)
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To: Schnucki
Among the words offered for Mr Obama: apocalypse, terrifying, scary, pizzazz, unknown, inexperienced, innovative, new, charismatic, smooth, unaffordable, change, hopeful.

fraud, flim flam man, snake oil salesman, champagne socialist, empty suit ...

3 posted on 08/25/2008 10:43:55 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Schnucki

Those words are a pretty good description.

It baffles me why people would regard “change” as inherently good. Apparently, you just say the word really really really loud, and it’ll prove you have the best policies.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 10:46:03 PM PDT by butterbattle (I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

An ad that questions what has Obama ever changed in his life for the better, would be effective.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 10:46:35 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: Schnucki
They have worn everyone out with 'Climate Change' and 'enough is enough'. . .people don't realllly like change or too much of it.

Think too, Obama's voice promising 'change' is now tiresome and ineffective; the ears designated for this to fall on; now dull.

And there are more than a few; who have figured out just what Obama's 'change' means.

6 posted on 08/25/2008 10:49:11 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Schnucki

Obama’s mantra of “Change!” is sounding a lot like Kerry’s foghorning of “I have a plan!”

Vague, useless pablum. Any actual substance either doesn’t exist, or, if it does it would be offensive to the majority of voters if revealed.


7 posted on 08/25/2008 10:53:56 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I really get PO’d at these snotty-nosed, 18 and 19 year old college kids who are always running around and whining that we need more “change.”

Next time they tell you they want "change," give them a couple pennies. Maybe a dime, if you're feeling generous.

8 posted on 08/25/2008 10:56:32 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Schnucki

GREAT article. I don’t get Dem campaigners. I was a lib for years, but this guy is nothing, and it took one tiny ad after his Berlin speech to finally get the word out that his camapign is made of nothing more substantial than cotton-candy.


9 posted on 08/25/2008 10:58:36 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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To: freespirited
Elmer Gantry with a pseudo countrified accent and street cred name.
10 posted on 08/25/2008 11:11:30 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Schnucki
The vast majority of the remaining undecideds are middle class whites. Not exactly the typical Obambi voters.

That is why he is working so hard to paint McCain as out of touch with the middle class. Looks like he still has a lot of work to do by the sound of Luntz's focus group.

11 posted on 08/25/2008 11:12:39 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Change is good” is the philosophy of a cancer cell.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 11:12:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Merci beau coup.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Change your name
Change your citizenship
Change your message
Change your campaign funding
Change your church
Change your vote
13 posted on 08/25/2008 11:17:49 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Schnucki

Doesn’t anyone remember the story of King Log and King Stork? The frogs in the swamp got bored with King Log, complaining that all he did was lie around silently, never doing anything. They decided that Stork would make a much better monarch — so tall, so elegant, always going somewhere and doing something. Such a change! So the frogs invited Stork to be their king instead. He accepted — and promptly ate ‘em all up.

Yes, change for the mere sake of change is overrated.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 11:24:18 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Marxist Obama will trash the USA for the next 30 years. Vote McCain!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Sadly there are a lot of MORONs and dumbasses out there or you would not have:
a) Obama running for President
b) A Democrat Party

So whether you like it or not “Change” is an idea that you will have to overcome if Obama is to be beaten.

Mel


15 posted on 08/25/2008 11:24:23 PM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Schnucki
As Rush pointed out from a Battleground poll Monday, 60% of the country is conservative. The disdain for the Republican Party is easily explained. It abandoned conservatism. There's a difference between Americans' aversion to the GOP and their embrace of conservatism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 08/25/2008 11:34:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: melsec
Wrong. If McCain were a principled conservative, he would win in a landslide. His baggage is that he isn't one and tries too hard to pander to the so called moderates. According to the Battleground poll, less than 2% of Americans are middle of the road. 60% are conservative and 38% are liberal.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 08/25/2008 11:40:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Well how the hell did Slick Willie win 2 terms. Your 60% of conservatives must include a lot of lazy voters or many must swing more than they say. If this 60% had their vote for a nominee why didn’t they vote for a conservative or are they too lazy to get off their collective butts.

and BTW 38% is still a lot of dumbasses!

Cheers

Mel


18 posted on 08/26/2008 12:11:43 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: goldstategop

Here’s what I took from what Rush said and the article he read:

While 60% of the country consistently self-describes as conservative, only about 20% of those self-describe as “very conservative.”

Of course, what the difference is between being conservative and very conservative is likely in the eye of the beholder.

That said, however, it seems clear that those who disdain the Republican party (your words) are likely to be within that 20% that describes themselves as “very” conservative.

Certainly, this seems evident around FR, for example. It is those people who feel they are the “most” conservative who also tend to claim that they are “not Republicans” and that they have disdain for the Republican party for not being conservative enough.

If that’s true, that leaves at least 40% of conservatives who, while demonstrably not entirely happy with the Republican party, continue to view it as an appropriate (if not always effective) vehicle to express conservatism in the political realm.

So any aversion that may be seen to the GOP is not, as you posit, because the GOP “abandoned” conservatism, but because, for a certain segment of conservatives, the GOP simply is not conservative *enough.*

Since presidential elections have been mostly close in recent history, the 40% of conservatives who, by and large, make their political home within the GOP need only come up with, say, 5-11% more voters to win the election.


19 posted on 08/26/2008 12:14:51 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: goldstategop

Only 20% describe themselves as “very” conservative. It is mostly among these folks that you’ll find the conservatives who refuse to vote for McCain, regardless that that helps Obambi get elected.

I forget the number, but it was the same on the liberal side-—it was an even smaller percentage that self-described as “very” liberal. These are the people who would never vote for a Republican and who are willing to refuse to vote for the Rat nominee, regardless that that helps the Republican nominee get elected.

So with 40% self-describing as conservative (as opposed to “very conservative), and something like 30% self-describing as liberal (as opposed to “very liberal”), not many liberals need to cross-over to elect the Republican nominee. That’s even if NO “very conservative” voter votes Republican (which is unlikely to be the case. While many will say they refuse to vote for McCain, many of those will think better of that position when push comes to shove.)


20 posted on 08/26/2008 12:20:59 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: melsec

Here’s how Flubba won:

Of those 60% conservatives, 20% describe themselves as “very conservative.”

This tends to be the group in which the Refusniks (those who can’t bring themselves to vote for the Republican nominee, regardless that it helps the Rat nominee win) abide.

The Refusniks, as stated, either refuse to vote for the Republican nominee (because he’s so horrible on their issues or whatever reason) or they vote for Loserman Third Party candidate (on “principle”).

In other words, those particular conservatives refuse to vote for the more conservative of the two major party candidates (one of whom WILL become president).


21 posted on 08/26/2008 12:25:05 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: PghBaldy
I was a lib for years...

Well, welcome back home, bro!

I was kind of a social liberal in college (chicks, man...) until I met the right girl and we had children. Then the personal accountability thing kicked in.

22 posted on 08/26/2008 2:30:16 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Don’t get too mad at them ... remind them that if their Daddy is a businessman and is paying their way at college, an B Hussein O win in November will likely lead to the end of their gravy train. Yes, ‘change’ will definitely come about.


23 posted on 08/26/2008 3:17:52 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (9-11: supported everywhere by followers of the the cult of islam.)
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To: melsec

Perot, Ross


24 posted on 08/26/2008 4:03:02 AM PDT by Right Angler
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To: Schnucki

Another example of truth coming from overseas ratmedia and being ignored by our home grown rat cheerleaders.

barack mcgovern can not change his message from “blah blah blah change” to anything because he has nothing to offer but class envy and liberalism’s forced redistribution of wealth.


25 posted on 08/26/2008 4:45:37 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: fightinJAG

If ya don’t mind me saying so that’s nutz. That 20% can basically be ignored by everybody then. In doing what they do the status quo will never change. That 20% have the potential for having lots of leverage but in their ignorance they care giving their potential power away.


26 posted on 08/26/2008 5:29:48 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Schnucki
"Message of change will doom Barack Obama, swing voters warn "

Old whine in a new Oreo Bozo Democratic bottle

The Democrats Field a Liberal Bad LSD Dream Team!

It's Biden: So much for 'Hope and Change'

Double the Arrogance -- Double the Fun! It's Obama-BinBiden 2008

The rat's dream team of hate America and capitalism, the Islamofascist Narcissistic Liar and an Old White Honky Narcissistic Plagiarist/Liar $inator, the #1 and #3 Liberal voters in the $inate, or Karl Rove strikes again:


27 posted on 08/26/2008 6:45:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Snowbami, the Oreo Bozo, wants special-ed treatment as an untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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