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NATO-Russian naval controntation on tap in Black Sea?
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Posted on 08/26/2008 4:09:32 AM PDT by maquiladora

Tbilisia/Kiev/Moscow - A NATO-Russia naval confrontation in the Black Sea appeared days away on Tuesday, after American officials announced a US warship would attempt to enter a Georgian port controlled by Russian army and naval forces. US fleet elements will in coming weeks unload humanitarian aid in the Russia-controlled Georgian port Poti, US embassy spokesman Stephen Guice said in remarks widely reported by Georgian media.

The American announcement setting the stage for a direct US-Russia naval confrontation came against a background of continuing high tensions in the region in the wake of the Russia-Georgia conflict and with both Russia and NATO rushing warships into the Black Sea.

The first NATO naval vessel to sail into the region was the destroyer USS McFaul, arriving to take up station off Georgia's Black Sea coast on August 24.

Moscow officials called the US warship's presence near the Georgian port Batumi "provocative" and "unhelpful," pointing out the presence of a squadron of Russia's Black Sea fleet stationed only some 50 kilometres north, in the vicinity of the Georgian port Poti.

US officials said the American destroyer was landing humanitarian aid in Batumi, the only Georgian seaport currently not under Russian control.

Russian marines captured Georgia's main port Poti during the first week of the Russo-Georgian war, sinking Georgia's tiny navy and later demolishing practically all Georgian military infrastructure in the vicinity.

Russia's army continues to operate road checkpoints controlling movement between Poti and the former Soviet republic interior, blocking most trade between Georgia and western nations.

NATO nations have in recent days quietly upped their naval presence in the Black Sea, adding support to the US destroyer.

A Polish warship, according to unconfirmed Turkish media reports a minesweeper, reportedly accompanied the McFaul as the two ships passed the Bosphorus, and is operating off Georgia's coast.

The US coast guard cutter Dallas is en route to Batumi and will joun the US destroyer within the week, Georgia's Rustaveli-2 television reported.

Also en route to join the de facto NATO squadron operating in the Black Sea are the German frigate Luebeck, the Spanish frigate Admiral Juan den Borbon, and five other NATO warships including possibly an attack submarine, Kremlin officials have claimed.

NATO officials have confirmed ships are en route or are already in the Black Sea, but have said the warship concentration is because of a planned "peacekeeping" exercise off the coasts of Romania and Bulgaria.

A small Turkish warship squadron was reportedly also stationed off the Turkish coast to the south of Batumi, according to Georgian media reports.

The Kremlin has harshly criticised the NATO naval buildup, and has repeatedly made public the names and destinations of NATO warships moving into the region, well before Brussels' official acknowledgement.

NATO currently has a total eight warships operating in the Black Sea, with a ninth frigate en route and expected on Georgia station in the next few days, Russian naval officials citing maritime intelligence said Tuesday.

But Moscow also has responded to the apparent - if officially denied - NATO naval challenge by spiking its own Black Sea warship levels.

The flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet, the guided missle cruiser Moscow, put to sea on Monday after returning to its home base port Sevastopol, Ukraine.

The Moscow's sortie back into the Black came a mere 72 hours after the giant warship returned to the Crimea peninsula from Georgian waters. Normally, Sevastopol-based Russian warships spend most of the year in port, and take to open waters after months of preparation.

Russian general staff spokesmen denied point blank that the rapidity of the return to sea of the massive cruiser, a warship twice the size of NATO's largest warship in the region the USS McFaul, had anything to do with a US naval presence off Georgia.

Russia had been planning a naval exercise in the Black Sea "for months ahead of time," and the Moscow's departure "was part of normal planned training," deadpanned Anatoliy Nagovitsyn, vice Chief of Russia's general staff, at a Moscow press conference.

The cruiser Moscow will lead a squadron of as many of 18 Russian warships operating in the general vicinity of, but not interfering with the NATO flotilla, Nagovitsyn said.

Russian warships on Tuesday docked in Sukhumi, the capital of the Russia-allied Georgian renegade province Abkhazia, on Tuesday morning, he added, according to an Interfax news agency report.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blacksea; georgia; nato; russia; russianavy

1 posted on 08/26/2008 4:09:32 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora; Jeff Head

In Harm’s Way ping.


2 posted on 08/26/2008 4:11:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: maquiladora
If the rooskies want a Navy... don't screw with US!

LLS

3 posted on 08/26/2008 4:12:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( REAGANISM not communism)
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To: maquiladora

It wont be NAYO...we stand alone.


4 posted on 08/26/2008 4:13:51 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: rrrod

NATO*


5 posted on 08/26/2008 4:14:11 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: rrrod

We stand alone and hold the NAYO.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 4:19:29 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let all Democrats have a half vote. They deserve it!)
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To: maquiladora
Another report...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LP442126.htm

7 posted on 08/26/2008 7:35:36 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

Well... I’ve been “AFK” a few days.

This is not looking good. I think tswhtf shortly.

Everyone keeps denying anything will happen, but they keep pushing.

Now they are attempting to interfere with US Warships bringing supplies to an area the Russians tore up.

That’s a no-no. I don’t know many Naval Captains that will lets the Russians board them. Not without a fight.


8 posted on 08/26/2008 7:54:29 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: blasater1960

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LP442126.htm

Pacific Fleet scheduled exercise begins on Kamchatka

26.08.2008, 08.27

PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, August 26 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian Pacific Fleet’s scheduled exercise has begun on Kamchatka, the headquarters of the fleet’s grouping told Itar-Tass on Tuesday.

Coastal defence units will hold firing drills at the Radygino range near Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. Ships and submarines will train how to repulse an attack of an imaginary enemy at sea. They will also master missile and artillery firing.

Aircraft and missile defence units are also engaged in the exercise.


9 posted on 08/26/2008 8:02:54 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
It does sound serious like the deepest Cold War days. Someone is going have to blink here soon or one missile launch could cause it to hit the fan.

This maybe a humanitarian mission but we'd better be loaded for bear. I hope we have some air cover or other aces up our sleeves.

10 posted on 08/26/2008 8:03:13 AM PDT by McGruff ("the presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." - Joe Biden)
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To: blasater1960

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=13008874&PageNum=0

NATO Navy has extraordinary activity in Black Sea-Gen Staff

26.08.2008, 13.27

MOSCOW, August 26 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian army’s General Staff is “bewildered” by the extraordinary activity of the NATO Naval forces in the north-eastern sector of the Black Sea, Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn said at a press conference on Tuesday. According to him, there are currently nine warships of NATO countries in the region.

“And another frigate of the US Navy entered the Bosporus yesterday at 23:30,” the official added. Nogovitsyn forecasted that “the arrival of eight more NATO ships is expected in the area shortly.”


11 posted on 08/26/2008 8:03:46 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: McGruff

I’ve been saying, and have said it here several times, these are “plays from the Cold War Play book”.... and they are. This is exactly a scenario we worried about in those days of yore.

Looks like Yore is Tomorrow now. Or today.

Lemme see, I’m headed for Jamaica in a few days.

With a little luck a hurricane won’t hit, and if the missiles fly, I’ll be getting myself a ship and becoming a pirate :)

Arrrrr!


12 posted on 08/26/2008 8:10:10 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: McGruff

Fox is reporting that the Russian President just stated they were not “blocking US ships” and further “but we all know they aren’t bringing in humanitarian assistance”... Fox reporter further said he believed the Russian president believes the US is taking in weapons.

update:
Fox just verified what I thought I heard. President Mededev is stating he believes the US is bringing weapons in.

There is currently a US Destroyer sailing into the Black Sea through the straits at Turkey (I believe from the description).


13 posted on 08/26/2008 10:32:28 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Hot Water Ping.


14 posted on 08/26/2008 10:40:44 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Thats just great.

Someone tell me again why we are sending warships into the Black Sea? How is any of this crap in Georgia in any way remotely related to our national security?

The founding fathers are ROLLING in their graves.


15 posted on 08/26/2008 11:42:34 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Fox just verified what I thought I heard. President Mededev is stating he believes the US is bringing weapons in.

We need to tell that little Soros poodle to shut up. He is trying to get us into his little war by these statements.

16 posted on 08/26/2008 7:11:37 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Suck it, Moscow.


17 posted on 08/26/2008 9:00:19 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberals: can't live with them, can't ship them to Syria.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I hope we taking in a lot of advanced weapons that will kill a lot of Russian scum if they start getting aggressive again.


18 posted on 08/26/2008 9:37:52 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (John McCain 2008!)
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To: maquiladora
Normally, Sevastopol-based Russian warships spend most of the year in port, and take to open waters after months of preparation.

This is a very polite way of saying that the Russian Navy isn't fit for service 3/4 of the time.

L

19 posted on 08/26/2008 9:43:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: RightWingNilla

Hmmm... Well, IF you bother to read history you would perhaps have a better understanding of the situation.

There certainly are a number of reasons for us to be involved. However, I’m not going to try to explain it when you are invoking the names of the Founding Fathers “turning over in their graves”.

Indeed, given the circumstances of WWI and WWII I’d say they not only would not be “turning over in their graves” they would be standing strong behind our actions.


20 posted on 08/27/2008 6:27:34 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

So you think this is worth starting WWIII over???


21 posted on 08/27/2008 8:52:25 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

Well... The RUSSIANS seem to think so, since THEY started the crap...

Since you’re willing to point fingers, point them in the right DIRECTION.

Ask the RUSSIANS if they are willing to start WWIII (Wait, never mind, they already have said they ARE WILLING).

Therefore, by your logic every time some craphole rogue nation, or country like China, Russia or North Korea OR Iran says “Kiss my butt” we should kiss their butts.

RIGHT?


22 posted on 08/27/2008 10:23:18 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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