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Paper, plastic or bring your own (California Shopping Bag BAN)
Sacramento Bee ^ | 8/26/08 | Anon

Posted on 08/26/2008 6:19:16 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom

California, with its long coastline littered with white bags, needs a better approach, one that encourages people to make informed choices between disposable and reusable bags. Here are the options:

• A piecemeal, voluntary approach by stores.

• A hard-line approach, such as a ban.

A simple, market-based solution: a consumption tax. Ireland has taken this route. Since 2002, consumers who forget to bring a bag are charged a 15-cent tax at checkout. Before the tax, Ireland's 3.9 million people used 1.2 billion bags per year. Now it's 230 million. About $9.6 million was raised from the tax in the first year, earmarked for a fund for environmental projects such as recycling refrigerators.

A bill before the California Legislature would adopt Ireland's market-based approach. Beginning in January 2010, Assembly Bill 2769 (by Assemblyman Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys) would require California stores to collect a 25-cent tax on all disposable bags, paper or plastic. Stores would get 5 cents for every plastic bag and 10 cents for every paper bag. The balance would go to a Bag Pollution Fund to clean up the litter caused by single-use carryout bags and encourage the reduced use of single-use disposable bags.

The bill has the support of the grocery and retail industries, which currently subsidize the use of disposable bags.

AB 2769 would provide shoppers with a choice: Bring reusable bags or pay the true cost of a disposable bag. That should shift market behavior – and help the environment, too. The Senate should pass AB 2769, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger should sign it.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bag; envirokookism; environment; envirowhackos; kooksrunamok; losangeles; shopping
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Yee Gods, another insatiable demand from runaway, out-of-control government with even more intrusion into and control of every aspect of our lives.

Have you noticed how leftists now couch all their totalitarian initiatives as "simple, market based" and as "consumer choice" as a way to fool us sheep?

1 posted on 08/26/2008 6:19:18 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I understand your sentiment but sometimes, a good idea comes along.

If charging lazy people for not bringing their own shopping bags helps stem the tide of refuse we generate everyday, that ain't necessarily a bad thing.

Though, it should be something the stores do without the Gubmint getting in on the act.

2 posted on 08/26/2008 6:22:54 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Conservatives say, 'Seeing is believing.' - - - Liberals say, 'Believing is seeing'.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I'm okay with a tax on this. The fact is that there are many public costs associated with litter from grocery bags - it becomes a use cost. If you contribute to the problem (using plastic bags), you contribute to the solution (paying to clean them up). However, rather than a “We have spoken” outright ban, those who really want to continue to use these bags are free to do so, they'll just pay a premium at it. The cynical part of me thinks that many of these funds would go into the general pot - that, IMHO, defeats the purpose.
3 posted on 08/26/2008 6:24:59 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

We are required to put our garbage in plastic bags. I use my grocery bags. So now I have to go out and buy garbage bags?? This is a marketing scheme....and it’s stupid.


4 posted on 08/26/2008 6:26:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Why doesn't government just go ahead and make everything illegal? It would make things a lot simpler that way.
5 posted on 08/26/2008 6:28:01 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

If charging lazy people for not bringing their own shopping bags helps stem the tide of refuse we generate everyday, that ain’t necessarily a bad thing.

Lazy? I actually like getting the plastic bags from the store so that I use them as garbage bags.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 6:32:34 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I'm sorry, sir - your attitude has been determined to be illegal.

Please step over to the window and pay the "speech with attitude" assessment.

;-)

7 posted on 08/26/2008 6:34:34 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Wikipedia: The Truth Was Out There, but it was reverted...)
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To: napscoordinator

I do the same thing — use plastic bags as garbage bags. And I’m already green — I have green eyes. :-)


8 posted on 08/26/2008 6:36:07 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Those d@mn flimsy plastic grocery bags are all over the place around me - stuck to signs on the side of the roads, in the weeds, up in the trees, all in the woods around the river and everywhere else. They’re a mess and an eyesore. It costs me tax money for Public Works to clean them up. As far as I’m concerned this falls under the heading of “even a stopped clock is right twice a day.”


9 posted on 08/26/2008 6:36:38 AM PDT by RonF
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Why not make everything illegal? We're heading that way anyway and not enough people are speaking up.
10 posted on 08/26/2008 6:37:10 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Plastic bags I receive at the grocery store are recycled by taking the bags to the local food bank. The food bank is always looking for more plastic bags.


11 posted on 08/26/2008 6:37:56 AM PDT by upchuck (Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. (nObama))
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To: thefrankbaum

But I reuse the bags as trash bags.


12 posted on 08/26/2008 6:39:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: thefrankbaum
These funds are for the purpose stated or other purposes.
So if one cent goes to clean up its not fraud.
13 posted on 08/26/2008 6:41:23 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The stores I go to, give us the bags. Keeping them in the car and bringing them to the store is stupid....how?


14 posted on 08/26/2008 6:42:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Conservatives say, 'Seeing is believing.' - - - Liberals say, 'Believing is seeing'.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“California, with its long coastline littered with white bags,”

I question that statement. I live near the coast in CA and don’t see grocery bags littering it. We use each bag at least two or three times, for lunch (carrying, NOT eating) and to line small trash containers.


15 posted on 08/26/2008 6:44:11 AM PDT by pelicandriver
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Japan had an even better solution and the government didn't get involved. Some discount stores (similar to Aldi's in the U.S.) charged for the bags. Others (such as Daiei) stamped a card when the customer declined bags. When the card was full, the customer traded it in for a gift certificate from the same store.

We usually took the bags when we were doing bulk shopping, but declined them when we were making the mid-week purchases of fresh produce and milk. This gave us the bags we needed to collect trash, but still helped us cut down on the use with the small incentive offered by Daiei.

16 posted on 08/26/2008 6:47:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: napscoordinator
I actually like getting the plastic bags from the store so that I use them as garbage bags.

Not talking about HDPE plastic bags. The bags I speak of are a woven synthetic material that have handles. They fold up flat to the size of a paperback, unfold to about 1'x1'x2' and hold a lot of weight.
The one I use at my local wine merchant is compartmented and they gave it to me gratis as long as I bring it back to use for carrying my purchases.

I know the HDPE plastic bags we're used to are handy for trash, etc....but what did we do before we had them...say 1970?

17 posted on 08/26/2008 6:48:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Conservatives say, 'Seeing is believing.' - - - Liberals say, 'Believing is seeing'.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

How the heck is a tax a “market-based approach”?

It is a “government-revenue-based approach”.


18 posted on 08/26/2008 6:49:55 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Vigilanteman

Awesome. That’s what I call thinking.


19 posted on 08/26/2008 6:50:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Conservatives say, 'Seeing is believing.' - - - Liberals say, 'Believing is seeing'.)
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To: AppyPappy
That's good - do you have a problem paying 25 cents for a bunch of trash bags? I use the bags to carry my lunch into work. It is no different from recycling your cans (in a deposit-free state) - you pay for the cans as a function of the price of the good, and you get nothing back for doing the right thing.
20 posted on 08/26/2008 6:50:55 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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