Skip to comments.The Truth About Russia in Georgia
Posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:02 AM PDT by RKV
Virtually everyone believes Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili foolishly provoked a Russian invasion on August 7, 2008, when he sent troops into the breakaway district of South Ossetia. The warfare began Aug. 7 when Georgia launched a barrage targeting South Ossetia, the Associated Press reported over the weekend in typical fashion.
Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn't start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.
(Excerpt) Read more at michaeltotten.com ...
Plus it’s the oldest law of warfare: have your guns in populated areas, and when the enemy responds, show the world your dead women and children.
Right, I said. That goes on a lot where I usually work, in the Middle East.
Yes, he said. That’s exactly what the Russians were doing.
PING! Thanks for posting this.
You are welcome. Michael Totten really knows his stuff.
AP is really getting good at this. They can now start with lies right from the very first article. Even though the truth of how this all started is now known, MSM will never acknowledge it.
Five posts and no Russian apologists.
Where are all the people who think Georgia invaded foreign territory and it’s all America’s fault for bombing Serbia?
No, no, no, Russians are the good guys, they don’t loot, shoot civilians, steal toilets to wash potatoes, drink,beat their women so they all want to be mail order brides, have a crashing population with the life expectancy dropping 58 for men,stage cyber opts on their neighbors, bomb pipelines, have organized political parties that advocate open warfare with the west and Jews,fund and arm terrorists throughout the world,send their organized gangs to American cities to set up syndicates, traffic in drug’s on a governmental level, have institutionalized corruption in the government, love their brutal dictators,have institutionalized beatings and sodomy in their Armed services, wish for good old Uncle Joes days gone by,...you all have got Russians completely wrong.
Well I tried.......
They're home with their boyfriends, stuffing envelopes for Obama.
Pretty clear from the write up here that this incident was provoked by the Russkies and their sympathizers. Not unlike sports where the second hit draws the foul.
I think we’re winning - at least on the FR front.
A week ago responses to my posts were a paragraph or two long. Then it was several paragraphs and a lot of exclamation points. The only response I’ve gotten today that the invasion was based on Russia’s desire to control Caspian oil resources was “Baloney”.
It took a couple of weeks but the truth seems to be sining in.
I am looking for more information. I have had some very contentious disagreements with people on this. I sometimes resort to sarcasm to make an obvious point, and that doesn’t help the discussion.
But usually they say I am simply taking sides on the basis of what the media says, and nothing could be further from the truth.
Georgians need use that skunk gas the Israelis are using. It will clear out the Russians in minutes like roaches they are. It may take a few days to clean up all the vomit though.
Their press was taken over by Putin for this exact purpose, and to maintain power by denying any possible opposition.
It's about time we saw the truth in print.
Might want to follow the link. Totten’s article is detailed and well supported by experts in this area. Turns out Vlad is just following standard Soviet practice.
Ok, so what we’ve got to do is follow up on this. Vlad isn’t going to get it until he really hates what we do to him. Out of the G-8, no way on WTO, more NATO nations, find ways to cut his oil income - basically when he looks like the putz he is, then he’ll have to do something to fix the problem, and not before.
I see it as more of a question related to what NOT to do.
What we can not do is roll over to the idea that Russia somehow has a claim to the territory they desire which would total nearly a third of Georgia. They simply must be stopped.....Period...end of statement....
We must escalate in direct proportion to what they do, and maintain the high ground by what ever means we have, to include military force and even the risk of a nuclear exchange.
That's what we must do. There is no other conclusion that is viable. Russia has made their intentions quite clear.
As to these areas of dispute, the land belongs to Georgia, and the people on it are free to leave.
This is the only possible way to put it, without ceding to Russian demands which are the same as they were in the early 1920s when Russia invaded for the first time and when my grandparents fled as refugees to the U.S.
The demands then were similar. A faked protectorate response to aggression by Georgia that never happened to begin with. This is all repeated history to me.
If we blow this, the rest of Eastern Europe is wide open. Time to pick sides.
Great article exposing the Russkies.
BTW, have you noticed that since the Russia-Georgia conflict began, Iran has been verrryyy quiet?
There are US missiles in the Black Sea, and Nutjob knows his toy rockets are no match...
Yeah, the mullahs could manage to get it from both sides.
Virtually everyone believes Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili foolishly provoked a Russian invasion on August 7, 2008, when he sent troops into the breakaway district of South Ossetia... Georgia didn't start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.
I read the article...seems very well explained in english to me. It was very informative, and I want to say again how much I appreciate your posting it here.
Yer welcome. Totten is a champ. Him and Yon are the go-to guys to keep up with world affairs.
Can’t say for sure, but theft is one logical option.
Not only the Russians.
Remember that Hitler and Stalin agreed to divide Poland, and Stalin would grab other countries.
Hitler had dead German prisoners dressed up in Polish uniforms, accused Poland of attack Germany, and therefore Hitler was “forced to respond by counter-attacking”.
Russians still acting like Hitler!
Bush should call for Chechen independence also.
This is wonderful, thanks for posting it!!
A lot of this information made its way in bits and pieces into western media but its nice to have it all compiled in one piece.
Yes...I am a big fan of Michael Yon...I don’t always agree 100% with his outlook on some things, but on the other hand, I won’t argue with him because HE IS THERE!
The Slavophiles seem to mostly post at night (US time zones). So they’re actually posting from Russia or Serbia OR they’re really vampires. The latter seems highly likely.
Great article, with some very pretty pictures!
Thank you for the ping and the post!
mark for later
Would the 'Slavophiles' include the pro Polish and Pro Ukraine posters?
Right, I said. That goes on a lot where I usually work, in the Middle East.
A fitting end to a very revealing article. Thanks for posting it.
I.  speaking of substance, there is large amount of evidence attesting that the war against Georgia was being prepared for a long time, at least three years, and most intensively, at least, during last four months from April 2008, when at the frontiers along Caucasus Range about 20,000 personnel were moved forward, and approximately 1,200 units of armored vehicle were moved onto the territory of Abkhazia, before the conflict even began, in May, June July; actually speaking, a party which claims to achieve peaceful resolution of the problem does not move in an armada of tanks, which is comparable with the amount used by Soviet Union in the Battle of Kursk  (one of the largest tank battlefields in the history of the world; happened during WWII).
The West is ideologically divided. Too many of us believe the Russian lies. We believe, in our simplistic way, that tiny Georgia provoked mighty Russia. We havent bothered to find out what actually happened. Here are just a few indications that Moscow planned everything in advance: (1) Last month the Russian army practiced invading a small country; (2) Russia recalled its ambassadors to Moscow for a meeting on July 15 to discuss a new foreign policy concept connected to the necessity of defending Russian speaking people in unnamed other countries; (3) Moscows South Ossetian proxy evacuated ethnic woman and children before beginning an intense bombardment of Georgian villages; (4) The South Ossetian artillery opened fire at 11 pm, while the Georgian artillery didnt return fire until 12:30 am; (5) Russian mechanized columns were actually moving into Georgia prior to Georgias push into South Ossetia on 8 August ; (6) The Russians were mobilizing ships in the Black Sea weeks before the supposed Georgian aggression; (7) Georgian internet sites came under intensive Russian attack in advance of military operations. Georgia invasion 'planned since April'
GEORGIA CONFLICT 2008 - Day by Day Documentary website by FReeper Jeff Head
“Georgia didn’t start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia.”
KGB tactics are to look for an EXCUSE to invade/attack a country.
What a great post!
Thank you for so many informative links.
Thanks...I did read that article.
You’re right...it washes the mud off.
It’s good to “see” you. ;o)
Bump so I can find this again. I read it through and it was wonderful, but I’m pretty sure I’l need it again.
I cannot help but be suspicious of any “peacekeepers”
The very word is ominous
In the case of Russia, for sure. :’) “Let’s loot the town, bring in South Ossetian death squads, threaten Europe’s gas and oil supplies...”