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Medvedev: We're 'not afraid' of a new Cold War
msnbc ^ | 8-26-08 | AP

Posted on 08/26/2008 12:18:30 PM PDT by 444Flyer

Moscow-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, speaking in the midst of one of the lowest points in the Russia-West relationship since the breakup of the Soviet Union 17 years ago, said Tuesday that his country did not seek a new Cold War-but neither was it afraid of one.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; evilempire; geopolitics; georgia; putin; russia; sovietunion
Reagan would have verbally twisted these goons into a pretzel by now.
1 posted on 08/26/2008 12:18:30 PM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

“not afraid”?

Heck, they’re asking for one!


2 posted on 08/26/2008 12:24:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: 444Flyer

Stop talking and BRING IT, fool.


3 posted on 08/26/2008 12:24:53 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: 444Flyer

>>>Medvedev: We’re ‘not afraid’ of a new Cold War

Boo!


4 posted on 08/26/2008 12:26:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: 444Flyer

They speak, and act, like petulant teenagers.


5 posted on 08/26/2008 12:26:47 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: 444Flyer
The White House needs to totally reverse course on its unilateral disarmament "strategy".

Bring back the MX missiles and Tridents, and the B-1B fleet.

Ramp up a new B-2 production.

And keep deploying F-22s and C-17s rather than shutting down....and restore the 600 ship Navy.

6 posted on 08/26/2008 12:27:53 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: 444Flyer
Lol.

America is different now, Med.

We don't care if you become a Commie again. WE love Commies, we love China. Just as long as you export cheap products to us and loan us money.

7 posted on 08/26/2008 12:28:46 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: 444Flyer
Studid is as stupid does...

8 posted on 08/26/2008 12:30:02 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: 444Flyer
Maybe another Cold War is what is needed to end America's increasing flirtations with dangerous & divisive leftwing lunatic ideologies.

Too bad it takes threat/s from outside to set our priorities straight when simple common sense should suffice.

9 posted on 08/26/2008 12:30:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: 444Flyer

And why are they not afraid of a new cold war? Because of global warming, of course! Bush’s Fault!


10 posted on 08/26/2008 12:30:34 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: Righter-than-Rush
his country did not seek a new Cold War-but neither was it afraid of one

He should be! If the Russian people end up living the 80's all over again they're not going to be happy campers.

11 posted on 08/26/2008 12:31:02 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“They speak, and act, like petulant teenagers.”

Which reminds me, has anyone asked BO what course of action should be taken with the Russians regarding this?


12 posted on 08/26/2008 12:32:49 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: Realism

Yeah no kidding.
The will lose again, and it will happen faster and they will suffer far worse then before.


13 posted on 08/26/2008 12:33:51 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: BenLurkin

Who wants to play “duck and cover” games, I say send the 4th ID up through Iran and slap em back across the border.


14 posted on 08/26/2008 12:36:04 PM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: 444Flyer

The Ruskis think they can strangle Europe by cutting off oil and gas, and they can. However, should that occur, the Russian supply of oil and Gas from the East can be cut. Winter in Moskva with no heating. Brrrrr.


15 posted on 08/26/2008 12:53:34 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Free the Oil, Topple the Saudis)
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To: plenipotentiary

The Ruskis think they can strangle Europe by cutting off oil and gas, and they can.


yes they can but this is a double edged sword. since they can´t eat their oil and gas they need the money from selling it. i don´t think europe gets russian oil and gas just out of goodwill. they need our money as much as we need their gas.


16 posted on 08/26/2008 12:57:05 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

The Ruskies now have enough money. We are now likely to fight a war having paid for our enemies weapons. What a big mistake in Statesmanship, ever to trust the oil producers. When they started their oil blackmail, we should have told them quite simply, to play fair, otherwise we take away their toys.


17 posted on 08/26/2008 1:17:25 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Free the Oil, Topple the Saudis)
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To: austrian
yes they can but this is a double edged sword. since they can´t eat their oil and gas they need the money from selling it. i don´t think europe gets russian oil and gas just out of goodwill. they need our money as much as we need their gas.

The Russians don't necessarily need Europe's money. Oil is a fungible commodity. They could just as easily sell their petroleum to the oil-hungry Chinese.

Regards,

18 posted on 08/26/2008 1:18:43 PM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: alexander_busek

The Russians don’t necessarily need Europe’s money. Oil is a fungible commodity. They could just as easily sell their petroleum to the oil-hungry Chinese.


true but you have to build new pipelines, oil tankers.... to do that. you cannot do this within a month or so. the same could be said about europe. europe does not stand or fall because of russian oil or gas. we could import more from other countries too if needed (the problem is most of them are lovely hellholes like iran). (shure this would take some time too). the big question is do both sides really want this? i´m not shure on this one. but i guess in the long time it would hurt russia more than it would hurt the EU for example. you don´t really want an economic war with EU GDP (purchasing power parity):
$14.38 trillion (2007 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate):
$16.62 trillion (2007 est.)

when your own russian gdp is only
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$2.088 trillion (2007 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate):
$1.286 trillion (2007 est.)

you would lose it the long way


19 posted on 08/26/2008 1:37:16 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

Sadly the russians would just role over europe with its military if you all ever did that to them. The EU combined could not stop them.The US is the only ones that could help you then.


20 posted on 08/26/2008 1:44:45 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

sorry but there is no way that russia could role over europe in a conventinal war any more. the EU spends a lot more for the military than russia does. the EU combined has more planes, tanks, troops, money.....
this is not cold war any more.


21 posted on 08/26/2008 1:50:35 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

You dont get it do you? The russians fear only one force in europe and thats the US. The EU does not have a unified military(NATO is a tiered alliance or havent you seen the pathetic caveats certain nations have in afghanistan). The russian actually could win a conventional war there before the EU could react huge portions of it would be defeated. The russians know this and no airforce except the USAF could deter their air power.Only the US,UK,and French nuclear arsenal is what keeps the bear at bay for now.


22 posted on 08/26/2008 1:59:04 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

sorry but you are wrong. it´s true that europe serious lacks transport capabilities (and the will to fight wars somewhere around the globe) we are not able to deploy many troops outside europe. but you don´t need this for defence.
russia would encounter thousands of tanks untill their troops would reach portugal (the most western point of europe). this is not possible. (btw. the EU has about 2 million troops under arms). only the US spends more on the military (a lot more) then the EU. russia has no chance to match the numbers really. true one single european country is no match for russia. but the whole EU? no way. and for the nuclear weapons you do know that france and the UK are members of the EU do you? and a last point france told years before that they will use their nuclear umbrella
to protect EU countries. don´t be stuck in cold war times. it has changed a lot.


23 posted on 08/26/2008 2:13:25 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

Uhh yes I know they are part of the EU. What Im saying has to do with airpower. They could easily achieve air dominance over the EU if the US doesnt help. Once you achieve air dominance the amount of tanks is moot, and you can assert your will below against a much higher populated enemy.


24 posted on 08/26/2008 2:16:56 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

you really think that russia has more planes than the 27 EU countries? if yes you are dead wrong believe me.


25 posted on 08/26/2008 2:21:46 PM PDT by austrian
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To: 444Flyer

Another cold war is exactly what the Russians want. They look longingly back to the sixties and seventies when the USSR was a powerful adversary of the Americans.

Unfortunately, what Russia sees and what it will get if it keeps up with this dangerous kind of behavior are two completely different things.


26 posted on 08/26/2008 2:23:01 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: austrian

I think russia has better pilots(with more experience) and about as many planes,and they have a unified air force and command and control structure. The EU doesnt.They also have bombers that can carry nukes or conventional. Trust me the EU cant beat russia alone. They would annihilate you then you guys would be screaming for the US to recuse you. Which we would no doubt have to do because its in our intrests.I would be for the Eu over russia dont get me wrong but the russian air force would dominate you without US airpower. If you think otherwise you are living in socialist fantasy land.


27 posted on 08/26/2008 2:26:22 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ks3eN8m5Y


28 posted on 08/26/2008 2:46:46 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

i´m split on this one. i do believe we (EU) are not able to invade russia for example but able to defend against russia? anytime. and for the air power. we do have a lot more planes combined but it´s hard to present a valid source for this one. and i do not have the time right now to find a valid source for every EU country and then summ up all numbers. and i don´t think any military in this world has the capability to invade and defeat a block big like EU or a big country like USA, Russia or china for example. No one has a military big enought for that right now. could we do serious damage? shure. but invade never. and in times of nuclear weapons this doesn´t make sense anyway. because if one of this members would lose or as you point it out would be annihilated they would use nuclear weapons. and then it does not count if you are about to win the conventional war. the result is the same we are all dead.


29 posted on 08/26/2008 3:26:13 PM PDT by austrian
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To: plenipotentiary; austrian

This has occurred to me too. They need the money. They need the product to keep flowing. If they can growl and bluster and talk the price up higher, as Achmed-nijad has been so good at doing, so much the better, but they both need to keep selling.


30 posted on 08/26/2008 3:42:33 PM PDT by ichabod1 (It's all fun and games until Russia starts invading Eastern Europe (pete))
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To: 444Flyer
This is why we need McCain to win this election. I think he's better on issues such as this than is Bush. While he may be worse than Bush on a lot of things there are things that he is actually better on in my opinion. Bush was calling Russia an ally for years when it was obvious they were trying undermine us on almost everything. McCain has a much tougher stance on Russia and China and has for a long time. And Obama will just let out enemies completely walk all over us.

And on immigration Bush and McCain are both just as bad. Some say McCain is worse but that's not the case. They are both very wrong on illegal immigration and Bush would have been more than happy to sign McCain's bill if he had gotten the chance.

31 posted on 08/26/2008 9:08:46 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (John McCain 2008!)
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To: plenipotentiary
The Ruskies now have enough money. We are now likely to fight a war having paid for our enemies weapons.

The butcher Lenin said that we would sell them the rope by which they would hang us with.

32 posted on 08/26/2008 9:58:20 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from this list, please FReepmail me...

33 posted on 08/26/2008 10:02:39 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

34 posted on 08/26/2008 10:07:49 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: skeeter

It does seem that we’re doomed to slip into idiocy without some adversity to force us to return to sanity.


35 posted on 08/26/2008 10:08:13 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: austrian
I fully expected to die in the Fulda Gap in the 80s. And now, should it come to it, so be it...

...though I think I'd prefer it to be in Kharkov or on the banks of the Dnieper River... watching Putin's Cretins in full retreat.

36 posted on 08/26/2008 10:26:14 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Thunder90

Thanks for keeping the pings going out.


37 posted on 08/27/2008 12:44:15 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Ping


38 posted on 08/27/2008 12:44:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Thunder90; nw_arizona_granny
This one might be posted, but if not here is another article for the ping list:

Syria, Iran warm to Russia as US tensions grow

39 posted on 08/27/2008 1:53:10 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: austrian

US airpower is needed friend.

http://images.military.com/Video/060719_lowdrag.wmv


40 posted on 08/27/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: austrian

This one is better quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWfsUt_8NA


41 posted on 08/27/2008 2:55:44 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: M. Espinola

Hello, thank you for the link.

I am far behind on checking my pings, time for me goes so fast.


42 posted on 09/02/2008 5:48:12 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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