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Cardinal Egan Corrects Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Catholic Online ^ | 8/27/08

Posted on 08/26/2008 4:29:15 PM PDT by tcg

Representative Nancy Pelosi has been a lightning rod for the ire of conservatives for some time, but now she has drawn fire of a different kind. Within the last 24 hours, the archbishops of Denver, New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C., along with Bishop William Lori have all publicly upbraided the Speaker of the House for her erroneous comments on the Church’s abortion teaching...

Not only was Cardinal Egan shocked, but he went on to say that, “What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age.”

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; abortion; cardinal; catholic; catholicpoliticians; demlies; egan; mccain; obamatruthfile; pelosi; prolife
“Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception…Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.”
1 posted on 08/26/2008 4:29:16 PM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg

The list grows....

I am liking this very much. Now the pressure needs to be put on those clerics who are still allowing her to receive the Eucharist! (Of course we should continue to pray for her as well....)


2 posted on 08/26/2008 4:32:44 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: All

Cardinal Egan lays the Smackdown! Woo Hoo!


3 posted on 08/26/2008 4:33:34 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: tcg

I simply cannot understand why Congress’ approval rating is 9%, what with this amazing leadership from Pelosi.


4 posted on 08/26/2008 4:33:52 PM PDT by rightwinghour (http://rightwinghour.podbean.com/)
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To: SumProVita

I too am happy with those speaking out. Haven’t heard from Cardinal Egan in years on anything....glad he finally found his voice and is leading.


5 posted on 08/26/2008 4:34:35 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: tcg

To which Nancy responded: Many practicing Catholics dispute this. The woman is nuts.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 4:34:56 PM PDT by sarasota
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This is the correct specific link to the story:
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=29033
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“The head of the Catholic Church in New York closed his statement by saying that anyone who defends abortion is not fit to be a leader in a civilized democracy.”


7 posted on 08/26/2008 4:35:50 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: rightwinghour

“I simply cannot understand why Congress’ approval rating is 9%, what with this amazing leadership from Pelosi.”

Is it that high?


8 posted on 08/26/2008 4:35:55 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: tcg

Pelosi the handmaiden of Satan, strikes again....


9 posted on 08/26/2008 4:37:16 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: sarasota

This is how out of touch the libs really are, I heard Barbara Boxer say on Fox today that John McCain is a radical because he is pro life. So I guess Jesus is also a radical??? These people must have been out smoking weed when brains, common sense, and decency were handed out.


10 posted on 08/26/2008 4:37:18 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: SumProVita

Notice, none of this criticism is coming from the San Francisco Arch Diocese. The power structure of the Catholic Church in San Francisco has been co-opted by Marxists and homosexuals and need a good cleaning.


11 posted on 08/26/2008 4:38:31 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: tcg

The Cardinal opened up a can of Psalms 78:66 on Pelosi.


12 posted on 08/26/2008 4:39:02 PM PDT by hsrazorback1 (To get what you had, do what you did.)
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To: milford421

It’s a good sign, isn’t it? ;-)

I think the Holy Spirit is moving...


13 posted on 08/26/2008 4:39:29 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

It certainly DOES need some purification.

(On a side note....hubby just told me that on Fox...he heard that the Bishop of Denver has asked Biden NOT to go to Communion.)

YES!!!!


14 posted on 08/26/2008 4:42:05 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
It is amazing that in this day and age, when we can actually see that life begins at conception, that these people still deny it. Incredible.
15 posted on 08/26/2008 4:46:40 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: tcg

Think back to last Saturday. Remember when all of the MSM were talking about how the selection of Biden would be a plus for getting the Catholic vote? I said to my wife that the selection of Biden was as dumb as if Obama had selected Sibelius. Both are pro-abortion, and in this election, the Catholic Church is not going to sit quietly by.

With Obama’s position on abortion, our Bishop had already published an article in the July Diocese newspaper and advised that more was to be written in the coming months on the matter of politicians and abortion. Obama is so thick-headed, he cannot see the writing on the wall.

Thank you, Barack. One more nail in the coffin.


16 posted on 08/26/2008 4:46:49 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: LegalEagle61
I heard Barbara Boxer say on Fox today that John McCain is a radical because he is pro life. So I guess Jesus is also a radical??? These people must have been out smoking weed when brains, common sense, and decency were handed out.

Don't be fooled, they know exactly what they are saying and why they are saying it.

More and more Christians that actually follow the way are being titled "radical", "extremist".

Pretty soon, that will become the rule

17 posted on 08/26/2008 4:48:05 PM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Notice, none of this criticism is coming from the San Francisco Arch Diocese.

Au contraire, kind of:

Breaking: Pelosi's home archdiocese republishes USCCB statement ...

with more to follow, per the article.

18 posted on 08/26/2008 4:50:04 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

“...The power structure of the Catholic Church in San Francisco
has been co-opted by Marxists and homosexuals
and need a good cleaning.”
- - -
I am not catholic, but I have great respect for the religion.
I do not understand “how things work” within the church.
Is there a methodology by which this can be done?
Are there any historical references to any similar such “cleanings”?


19 posted on 08/26/2008 4:53:34 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: PA-RIVER

I honestly think it has to do with their obsession with sex and NOT having to deal with the consequences. Plain ole’ sin and lack of self control. It is INDEED childish that they even look away from the SCIENTIFIC PROOF.


20 posted on 08/26/2008 4:56:25 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Thank you. I have bookmarked the site and await the Friday posting. I hope I’m wrong but my expectations are not high.


21 posted on 08/26/2008 4:56:29 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: hsrazorback1

Psalms 78:66:
And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts:
he put them to a perpetual reproach.
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Thank you,
I shall endeavor to use that scripture on someone tomorrow.


22 posted on 08/26/2008 4:57:33 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: LegalEagle61

Good for the cardinals. The Church needs to speak out more and more against these CINO’s in leadership. Hooray for them!!!


23 posted on 08/26/2008 5:21:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: PA-RIVER

They’ve been deceived by the enemy of their souls. I feel the same way about mothers who abort their ‘tissue.’ Sad, sad, sad.


24 posted on 08/26/2008 5:23:10 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Good luck trying to figure out Catholic politics. I don’t think anyone has for almost 2000 years.

In the Catholic Church it seems to be all too easy to co-opt the levers of power. A gay priest or Marxist nun advances up the chain of command to a position of authority in their diocese or order then they bring those of like mind along with them. Seminaries seem to play a large role in identifying and indoctrinating those who will fulfill agendas.

You clean it up by firing the people who are operating in violation of Catholic doctrine. This is done by retiring or “reassigning” people to positions where you hope they can do less damage.

As much as I revere John-Paul II he seemed to turn a blind eye to some things that needed his attention. Benedict is a good Pope and I hope he has the courage to take steps which may embarrass and expose disunity and disloyalty in The Church. We already have a shortage of priests in this country so there is great reluctance to do anything that will alienate anyone.

Entire orders have been and probably are today controlled by Marxists. the Jesuits under Father General Arupe invented the doctrine of “Liberation Theology”. Much of the bloodshed in Central America in the 1980s can be laid at his feet. The fact that in some Central American countries over a quarter of the population are now Protestant can also be laid at his feet. Arupe’s successor Kolvenbach continued the Marxist policies within the order but without the emphasis on “Liberation Theology”. This year Kolvenbach was replaced by a new Father General I don’t know what his politics are. As someone who attended a Jesuit high school and has great respect for the historical contributions of the Jesuit Order I think it would be great if the order could be restored to it’s historic, constructive mission. I aint holding my breath.


25 posted on 08/26/2008 5:24:32 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Thank you.


26 posted on 08/26/2008 5:36:37 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: NativeSon
Pretty soon, that will become the rule

I don't think it will get to that point.

Most of this country is on the "right" (more than one meaning) side and there is a limit as to what will be tolerated. Not to diss the current generation but there are a whole bunch of folks that understand why this country happened, too many that know what WWII was all about. And I firmly believe that if push comes to shove, we'll see some clean up action from the original effort. Too many that know what they have and why they have it, and won't let it go without a fight.

Just my dimes worth.

Listen to Mark Levin? He started his show today with a recap of who spoke at the 'Rat Fest last night, then listed who was scheduled to speak tonight. Then he said......

"Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Conga line of malcontents continues!"

I'm sure more than one saw me LMAO on the I-15 drive home....

27 posted on 08/26/2008 5:41:45 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: tcg

Pro-Life bump


28 posted on 08/26/2008 6:18:55 PM PDT by Dajjal (Visit Ann Coulter's getdrunkandvote4mccain.com)
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To: Repeal The 17th

There’s no set systematic procedure (like the recall provisions in some state constitutions), but since the Catholic Church is a hierarchy, and the bishop of San Francisco is pretty far up the hierarchy, essentially the Vatican has to be made aware of a problem in a diocese.

In principle, that information could be transmitted by the papal nuncio to the US, if he’s a guy whose got a good feel for the problems in the country; alternatively, a group of orthodox American bishops could make a case to the nuncio or directly to the Pope (a tough bet, since it’s essentially a case of turning on one of your own, like a cop turning in a cop).

But if the Pope becomes convinced a bishop is failing in his duty to lead his diocese on a path that brings its flock nearer to holiness, then he can replace that bishop with one he trusts more. That bishop could then provide a new direction in terms of policy, move troublesome priests into less-problematic positions, and the like.

When the clerical abuse scandal in Boston reached a point where it boiled over even to Rome, the Pope moved its bishop, Cardinal Law (who although theologically orthodox failed in this leadership task) into a post in the bureaucracy, and brought in a new bishop to try to clean things up.

Despite its reputation as a monolithic structure, the Catholic Church is surprisingly diverse in the range of views and policies you’ll find among its bishops. So you don’t see them getting bounced too often. But it can happen, and sometimes does.

By the way, your tagline is spot-on -— other than Prohibition, the 17th was the biggest mistake since the slavery-related clauses in the original document.


29 posted on 08/26/2008 6:31:20 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Stosh

Thank you for your reply.
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“...that information could be transmitted
by the papal nuncio to the US...”
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“papal nuncio”...is that a person?
Or a group of people?
Or what?
Surely he (they?) knows what is going on...
Are you saying that someone has to “officially”
rat these renegades out to the pope, himself?


30 posted on 08/26/2008 6:51:44 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Stosh

Would that be Archbishop Pietro Sambi?


31 posted on 08/26/2008 6:56:12 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: tcg

“In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons. They are not parts of their mothers, and what they are depends not at all upon the opinions of theologians of any faith.”

The head of the Catholic Church in New York closed his statement by saying that anyone who defends abortion is not fit to be a leader in a civilized democracy. “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being ‘chooses’ to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.”

True eloquence.


32 posted on 08/26/2008 7:05:32 PM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: tcg
I am glad they are speaking out about this but what has taken them so long?

The democrats have been in favor of abortion for years with many of the elected proclaiming themselves Catholic .....The Kennedy Clan....

I am not slamming Catholicism I have a great respect for the church. I am pleased to see it's leaders speaking up.

33 posted on 08/26/2008 7:32:48 PM PDT by Kimmers (Liberalism: Where fun goes to die)
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To: SumProVita

“It’s a good sign, isn’t it? ;-)”

Yes, it is.

“I think the Holy Spirit is moving...”

Always think He is...I believe he’s finally being listened to.


34 posted on 08/26/2008 7:40:44 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Would that be Archbishop Pietro Sambi?”

The same.

If you haven’t already googled it, see the link below:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=5644

Officially the equivalent of the Vatican’s ambassador to the US, he’s also a link between the local bishops and the power structure back in Rome.


35 posted on 08/26/2008 7:47:38 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: LasVegasMac
I don't think it will get to that point.

I would like to believe that but to make it true, someone must do something.

There are many good conservative people in America but not enough to keep the unAmerican out of office.

I feel that we are approaching the time of bread and circuses.

I am not a Christian, nor any other Eastern Religion but I do believe that Christianity is a target that must be undermined in order to ruin our country.

The people that call themselves Christian on the other hand are also a part of the problem. Many are so pious and quick to judge the 'sinful ways' of others and with the other part of their tongues support a woman's right to choose.

sorry for the rant, it's just plain to me

36 posted on 08/26/2008 8:10:38 PM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: sarasota

“To which Nancy responded: Many practicing Catholics dispute this. The woman is nuts.”

Did she really?
OMG!
She just keeps stepping in it! She can’t help herself!


37 posted on 08/26/2008 8:13:51 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Are there any historical references to any similar such “cleanings”?”

Patiently awaiting a “cleaning” in my home diocese.
The bishop is approaching the age he will be required to hand his resignation to the pope.
The pope can accept it and replace him, or request for him to remain for a certain pd. of time.
The most disobedienct bishops certainly will have their letters “accepted.”
Some bishops are moved around or receive the gift of a co-bishop.

But this is mostly a case of waiting for the worst ones to age out.
JPII made some bad appointments when he first became pope because he was relying on advice from the wrong folks within the US.
After a period of time most of his appointments were good ones.


38 posted on 08/26/2008 8:21:17 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Psalms 78:66:
And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts:
he put them to a perpetual reproach.
- - -
Thank you,
I shall endeavor to use that scripture on someone tomorrow.”

One of the reasons I love Free Republic - some of the best dry humor on the planet.


39 posted on 08/26/2008 8:26:42 PM PDT by motoman
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To: Scotswife

Yes she did. I saw the video. She is a disgrace.


40 posted on 08/27/2008 5:48:07 AM PDT by sarasota
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