Nascar Sprint Cup Pepsi 500 at California's Auto Club Speedway - Sun. Aug. 31 - ESPN - 7pm ET

Nascar.com ^ | 8/27/08

[NormsRevenge]

Getting down to the last couple races , 2 to go, and the Chase for The Keg .. Uuhh .. Chase for the Cup. :-]

Join us this Labor Day week-end and unwind after the Obama Slamma Jamma Fest.

As Always , This thread is dedicated to the men and women that serve and have served us so proudly. Let their labor and sacrifice not be in vain.

God Bless Our Troops and Their Families!

[NormsRevenge]

Welcome to this week's 2008 Nascar at FR race thread!

This Week - Sunday's Pepsi 500 at SoCal's Auto Club Speedway

August 31 , 2008



Click for Nascar race & news threads at FR

Sprint Cup Pepsi 500 - 08|31|08 - ESPN Sun. 7pm ET /~/ Qualifying 08|29|08 - Speed - 630pm ET

Nationwide Series Camping World RV Service 300 - 08|30|08 - ESPN2 Sat. 945pm ET /~/ Qualifying 08|30|08 - Speed - 530pm ET

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California Speedway
Broadcast Schedule for the weekend series

California Speedway California Speedway has a history that you might expect a track just 50 miles from Hollywood to have.

The speedway sits on a 568-acre site that once hosted the first steel mill located west of the Rocky Mountains, Kaiser Steel Mill. The mill produced the steel that helped build the Liberty ships used by the Allies to win World War II.

Kaiser Steel went out of business in 1983. Following that, the site fell into such disrepair that it was used in the movie The Terminator to portray a post-Apocalyptic world where men and machines battled each other for supremacy and survival.

Penske Motorsports Inc. purchased the land and completed the track in 1997. The first race held on the track was a Winston West Series race won by Ken Schrader on June 21, 1997. Later that day, Mark Martin won an International Race of Champions event at the new facility. Jeff Gordon won the track's first Cup race the following day.

California Speedway has also played host to races in the NASCAR Busch and Craftsman Truck Series, as well as events in the IndyCar Series and what is now the ChampCar World Series on its oval and road racing and motorcycle events on its road courses.

In 1999, Penske Motorsports Inc. merged with International Speedway Corporation, bringing California Speedway into the ISC family of tracks. Beginning in 2004, California Speedway's two-mile oval became the host of two NASCAR Cup Series races each year, adding a Labor Day weekend event to is roster of activities.

Track Facts
Banking/Turns: 14 degrees
Distance: 2.0 miles
Shape: D-shaped Oval

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The FR Canteen

24 X 7

[NormsRevenge]

FRFLers ..--.. Deadline to select or edit your drivers is Aug 29 2:00am PDT

[NormsRevenge]

Labor Day at Fontana, weather looks to be in the upper 80s,, Pepsi 500 Ping.

[flutters]

Wishing all of you a great Labor Day.

Go 17!

[TexasCajun]

How much was Crybaby Busch fined for last week's attack on Cousin Carl?

What a brat! ..ok for him to move people out of the way, but no one else.

[NormsRevenge]

Busch, Edwards placed on probation for Bristol antics

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/08/27/cedwards.kybusch.probation.bristol/index.html

NASCAR announced on Wednesday that it has placed Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards on probation for the next six races in the Sprint Cup Series, as a result of their on-track incident Saturday night at the conclusion of the race at Bristol.

Busch and Edwards violated Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing; hitting another competitor’s car after the race had concluded) of the 2008 NASCAR rule book.

The probation takes effect beginning with this weekend’s event at Fontana, Calif.

Executing an adroit bump and run on Lap 470, Edwards passed for the lead and pulled away over the final 30 laps, winning by 1.969 seconds over Busch.

[NormsRevenge]

Nascar needs to be real careful with its image, yaknow... bunch of weinies.. lol.

They only gave out probation.

[NormsRevenge]

Done proper way, nothing wrong with bump-and-run

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/opinion/08/27/dcaraviello.cedwards.kybusch.bump.n.run/index.html

What’s with all the fuss?

You’d think that Carl Edwards had taken a tire iron to Kyle Busch’s front bumper, or keyed the side of his No. 18 Toyota. You’d think he had done something dastardly, the equivalent of beaning a batter in the helmet or hitting a quarterback after the whistle. Busch was upset. Busch’s fans were upset. Some of Edwards’ fans were embarrassed. There was talk of payback, and warnings that you reap what you sow. It was as if an episode of The Sopranos had unfolded at Bristol Motor Speedway, and everyone had a vendetta they wanted to unleash on somebody else.

And over what, exactly? A completely legal and expertly executed move on the racetrack, that’s what. Every time somebody wins using the bump-and-run, there’s an uproar. Drivers get angry. Fans get angry. Harsh words, old memories and veiled threats are bandied about. Amid all the noise and recrimination, nobody seems willing to appreciate the move for what it is — a fundamental tactic of short-track racing that, when done correctly, is as devastatingly effective as the deep post route or the 3-point shot.

Enough of the outrage already. Jeff Gordon did it to beat Rusty Wallace, Dale Earnhardt did it to beat Terry Labonte, Jeremy Mayfield did it to beat Earnhardt, and list goes on and on and on. Over the years we’ve seen different incarnations, like Busch banging the back of Jimmie Johnson’s car on the restart before his shootout victory in July at Chicagoland, or Gordon giving Johnson a few good shots in his unsuccessful attempt to get by at Martinsville last year. It’s not cheating, it’s not dirty, it’s not out of line. It’s more difficult than it used to be, given the matched bumpers on the new car. And it’s a completely legal way to win a race, despite the fact that it’s been bastardized by unwritten rules and partisanship.

—snip—

[NormsRevenge]

Logano officially named to replace Stewart in No. 20
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/08/25/jlogano.jgibbs.20.car/index.html

NASCAR changes format of Shootout at Daytona
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20080826/SPORTS/808269995/-1/RSS04

[NormsRevenge]

Radical new look in works for Cup testing in 2009
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/08/25/cup.testing.landscape.2009/index.html

[TexasCajun]

Probation is ok.

Now we have White-Hat Carl & Black-Hat Kyle.

I'm rooting for the Good-Guy!

[TexasCajun]

Busch was upset. Busch’s fans were upset

All two of them. :)

[tubebender]

You’re on a roll Norm. Keep it up...

[B4Ranch]

I think the bunch of weinies is in the announcers booth. They make such a fuss everytime someone bumps another driver, you’d think it was a cardinal sin.

Actually, I am prejudiced against the 2nd half of the season announcers. I don’t like any of them.

[B Knotts]

The whole thing was pretty silly. Kyle seems to think he’s the one guy who can’t be bumped. But he found out different, I reckon.

[MountainDad]

#8

Very well put!

[NormsRevenge]

You’re on a roll Norm. Keep it up...

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Thanks,
A California Roll. :-)

[TexasCajun]

I only remember one driver rubb'n & fussing AFTER the checkered flag.

During the race, if you're not rubb'n you're not race'n.

Rowdy's nickname should be Crybaby.

[NormsRevenge]

I hear ya ,, this split coverage from here to mauna loa is not all its cracked up to be.

Loyalty to anyone or anything is out the window. It’s all about the buck.

Remember, Change is good. ;-)

part of the reason I posted the article links ,, more Change ahead.

[NormsRevenge]

Yup, when I read that, had to post it.

Bumping is nothing new... Heck, these guys are racing in tanks out there as is.

[B4Ranch]

> more Change ahead.<

Yup, us old NASCAR fans are going to stop attending the local tracks and watching races on TV.

[McGruff]

How much they going to fine Mikey Waltrip for being the worst driver in NASCAR? LOL

[NormsRevenge]

The Worst? Ouch. Of current drivers,, that smarts.

[cleveland gop]

Present!

[Old Professer]

It was still better when the idea was to bring the fastest car and the best driver; now they make them race with a brick under their foot.

[CodeJockey]

I’m taking my son (9 yo) to the Emerson Radio 250 in Richmond VA on Sept 5. His first race. About a 2.5 hour drive from our home. He actually likes the Nationwide Series the best.

I like going to the Nationwide series races. General admission $30.00 ticket and you get to sit just about anywhere. Might even be able to sit across from Carl Edwards pit stall.

Sprint Cup is fine but you better bust out your pocket book and be ready for a huge crowd. I like that series better on the 60” widescreen in HD.

[NormsRevenge]

There are some mighty fine drivers in the junior circuits.. quite a few Cup drivers run there. I hear ya on the prices tho.

Have a good time! Here’s to good weather.

Let us know how it went from the track perspective.

[NYTexan]

Thanks for the ping and for hosting this weeks thread!

[SouthTexas]

I’m here, sort of. Will be in and out for a while.

[glock rocks]

As Always , This thread is dedicated to the men and women that serve and have served us so proudly.

Let their labor and sacrifice not be in vain.

God Bless Our Troops and Their Families!

[glock rocks]

I am prejudiced against the 2nd half of the season announcers. I don’t like any of them.

This is Disney/ABC/ESPN we're talking about here. They see nothing beyond the revenue. The cognitive dissonance between their greed and hatred of American values shines through at key times... coverage of "diversity" issues (racism and sexism in drag) lack of coverage of the flyover, and the general prostrating themselves to the bottom line. Left wing prostitutes huckstering a family event, because they have the money and they can. It's a symptom of the times, the mine canary has cancer. But that's just my opinion when the race isn't on. When the candle is lit, the slobs show the race and, in spite of them, we watch it.

There's a lot of wanton Madison Ave mindlessness congealed around this whole circus, and those of us who've watched the races for years and years have excellent filters for the bs. Yep, I ignore the stupidity and watch the teams and drivers. I ignore the commercials too, otherwise, I'd have a pallet of Smilin Bob pills, several Featherlite trailers, a dozen Go Daddy accounts, and have all of it insured with AFLAC.

Nope. I'm just watchin the racin.

[tubebender]

Why don't don't you jump in your plane and fly over for some local RACIN...

[Unicorn]

BTTT

[B4Ranch]

Thanks for the invite.

Paul Peeples Jr., the current points leader of the Thunder Roadster division, outdrove Randy Olson’s track record of 16.885 with a time of 16.839. = .046 difference

That’s almost five hundredths! Stomped him into the mud!

But Peeples Jr. wasn’t the only one shattering records. Mini Stock driver Craig Baker bested Jaison Chand’s long-standing fastest time of 18.622 as Baker posted a time of 18.597. = .025 difference

Now with one quarter of a thousandths I don’t think shattering was the proper adjective to use. Perhaps nudged aside might have been a better choice.

[tubebender]

Finish Line for Phil Hill

[B4Ranch]

From the days when racing ran on pure innovation and the men were proud to be known as a rule breaker or even better, an outlaw.

[SouthTexas]

1st practice, top 10:

1 Carl Edwards
2 Jimmie Johnson
3 A.J. Allmendinger
4 Elliott Sadler
5 Brian Vickers
6 Kyle Busch
7 Kasey Kahne
8 Casey Mears
9 Greg Biffle
10 Dave Blaney

[B4Ranch]

Now if KK can finish the race in the top five .........

[B4Ranch]

I’ve got a Fontana Practice show (Speed channel) on, with no voice and KK is shown as 19th????????

No sweat, time for a shower anyway.

[SouthTexas]

I went back to check and see if there was another one. this is the only one listed. Maybe he wasn’t warmed up yet. :)

[glock rocks]

NSCS Practice 1
Auto Club Speedway
Pepsi 500
Provided by NASCAR Statistics - Fri, August 29, 2008

Auto Club Speedway #1 Friday, August 29, 2008
Pos	Car #	Driver	Manu	Time secs	Speed mph	Fast Lap	Laps Run
1	99	Carl Edwards	Aflac Ford	40.243	178.913	1	19
2	48	Jimmie Johnson	Lowe's/Jimmie Johnson Foundation	40.301	178.656	9	9
3	84	AJ Allmendinger	Red Bull Toyota	40.436	178.059	12	12
4	19	Elliott Sadler	McDonald's Dodge	40.495	177.800	15	15
5	83	Brian Vickers	Red Bull Toyota	40.501	177.773	1	7
6	18	Kyle Busch	M&M's Toyota	40.554	177.541	1	18
7	9	Kasey Kahne	Budweiser Dodge	40.567	177.484	18	18
8	5	Casey Mears	Kellogg's/CARQUEST Chevrolet	40.584	177.410	9	9
9	16	Greg Biffle	3M Ford	40.599	177.344	1	24
10	22	Dave Blaney	Caterpillar Toyota	40.602	177.331	1	19
11	1	Martin Truex Jr.	Bass Pro Shops/Tracker Boats Chevrolet	40.644	177.148	7	9
12	42	Juan Pablo Montoya	Texaco/Havoline Dodge	40.660	177.078	1	12
13	2	Kurt Busch	Miller Lite Dodge	40.724	176.800	1	16
14	6	David Ragan	AAA Insurance Ford	40.731	176.770	1	19
15	29	Kevin Harvick	Shell/Pennzoil Chevrolet	40.742	176.722	11	11
16	31	Jeff Burton	AT&T Mobility Chevrolet	40.752	176.678	20	20
17	11	Denny Hamlin	FedEx Ground Toyota	40.790	176.514	1	15
18	10	Patrick Carpentier #	Sears Auto Center Dodge	40.802	176.462	14	16
19	77	Sam Hornish Jr. #	Penske Truck Rental Dodge	40.885	176.104	1	23
20	15	Paul Menard	Menards/Johns Manville Chevrolet	40.896	176.056	1	11
21	24	Jeff Gordon	DuPont/Pepsi Chevrolet	40.917	175.966	1	7
22	8	Aric Almirola	U.S. ARMY Chevrolet	40.964	175.764	1	14
23	44	David Reutimann	UPS/Toys For Tots Toyota	40.967	175.751	12	12
24	12	Ryan Newman	Kodak Dodge	40.990	175.653	11	11
25	20	Tony Stewart	Subway/Home Depot Toyota	41.018	175.533	18	22
26	17	Matt Kenseth	R&L Carriers Ford	41.023	175.511	11	11
27	26	Jamie McMurray	Crown Royal Ford	41.035	175.460	15	18
28	28	Travis Kvapil	Hitachi Power Tools Ford	41.063	175.340	11	11
29	00	Mike Skinner	Affliction Clothing Toyota	41.079	175.272	11	12
30	88	Dale Earnhardt Jr.	AMP Energy/National Guard Chevrolet	41.129	175.059	16	18
31	78	Joe Nemechek	Furniture Row Racing Chevrolet	41.137	175.025	14	14
32	07	Clint Bowyer	Jack Daniel's Chevrolet	41.140	175.012	10	11
33	41	Reed Sorenson	Target Dodge	41.153	174.957	12	12
34	43	Bobby Labonte	Cheerois Racing/Betty Crocker/Totinos	41.231	174.626	12	12
35	01	Regan Smith #	DEI/The Principal Financial Group	41.233	174.617	1	15
36	38	David Gilliland	CitiFinancial Ford	41.290	174.376	1	9
37	7	Robby Gordon	Monster Energy Dodge	41.295	174.355	9	9
38	70	Tony Raines	Haas Automation Chevrolet	41.365	174.060	1	11
39	55	Michael Waltrip	NAPA Toyota	41.438	173.754	11	11
40	96	Ken Schrader	DLP HDTV Toyota	41.454	173.686	1	20
41	21	Marcos Ambrose	Little Debbie Ford	41.509	173.456	1	12
42	45	Kyle Petty	Wells Fargo Dodge	41.540	173.327	13	13
43	66	Scott Riggs	State Water Heaters Chevrolet	41.669	172.790	13	13
44	08	Johnny Sauter	FUBAR All Natural Dodge	42.960	167.598	11	11

[glock rocks]

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Practice Dates/Times/TV

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• Practices:
  Friday, August 29, 3:00 - 4:30pm/et, TV-SPEED;
  Saturday, August 30, 7:00 - 7:45pm/et, TV-SPEED
  
  
• Happy Hour Practice: Saturday, August 30, 8:20 - 9:20pm/et on TV-SPEED
  
  

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[o_zarkman44]

In my opinion, the 99 car was the fastest car for most of the race. But the 18 car had the fastest pit crew and pit stops.
The 99 car, at the end, was the ONLY car capable of reaching and nudging the 18 car. No other car was capable.
And once the 99 car got the lead back, nobody, and especially the 18 car, could get a bumper back close enough to nudge the lead away.

So in my opinion, the BEST car did win Bristol. The patented bumper nudge has won or lost many races (depending on who your favorite drivers were). Having the Horsepower to inflict a loose condition on the car ahead is the key to making the move. The nudge wasn’t enough to spin or otherwise wreck the 18. But it was just enough to loosen the rear and force Kyle to lift the throttle.

Racing is Rubbing. Racing is a contact sport. From the smallest 1/4 mile dirt track to the super speedway, there winning is the end objective. If making a move is moving to open a line, so be it. I like it.

Go 99! This is what makes it all worth while!

[B4Ranch]

The signifigance of the red text is .....?

[tubebender]

Must qualify well to make the race?

[SouthTexas]

Interstate Batteries commercial

[glock rocks]

Yes.

[NormsRevenge]

Racing hard is one thing. Racing smart is another.

Some master the one , a few master both.

Go Flipper!

[NormsRevenge]

That’s a purty line-up chart, Thanks!

I see you raked in 16 ,, 3 here..

I wish I had some
Biffle instead of JPM.

[blastdad51]

Got my tickets,scanner and beer, see ya there!!!