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Rioting after McCain wins. Was this prophetic?
Fredoneverything.net ^ | 2001 | Fred Reed

Posted on 08/27/2008 1:31:57 PM PDT by RobRoy

Pondering The Black Underclass

Not Colin Powell And The Cosbys

The recent race war in Cincinnati -- which is what it was -- might reasonably lead one to ponder the black underclass, its nature, behavior, crimes, and intentions toward whites. Permit me a few unpleasant observations, inescapable after years on the police beat:

Crime by the underclass is racial, predatory, and very much targeted against whites. The motive is hatred more often than economic gain. The media carefully, systematically, by deliberate policy, hide these things.

The foregoing can be independently verified by anyone. The data are there, on the Internet.

During the Cincinnati riots, I heard through police back-channels of blacks pulling white women from cars and beating them. I didn't write about it. If I had quoted my sources, they would have been fired for talking. Without sources, I'd have been dismissed as engaging in racist fantasy.

But then, on April 23, the columnist John Leo of US News and World Report broke journalistic ranks. * He wrote of one white woman (probably the one I'd heard about) who was attacked and beaten. More chillingly, he reported that "Another driver assaulted by the mob was Roslyn Jones, an albino black woman, hit by a hail of bricks, one of which struck her in the head. The attack stopped when someone shouted, 'She's black!'" (My italics.)

It's racial, people.

Rioting blacks regularly beat whites. We know about Reginald Denny, kicked into brain damage by gangs of blacks in LA. Similar instances have occurred from Los Angeles to Dade County to Cincinnati. All were quickly buried by the media. On the streets of Washington I have myself seen whites swarmed and beaten bloody on two occasions -- two young Australian tourists walking in Georgetown, for example.

The viciousness merits attention. Whites kids riot, yes, usually about politics. They run excitedly about, get arrested and gassed, wave signs, and assuage their hormones. They do not stomp people. White college kids do not grab an official of the IMF, kick him until he hemorrhages to death, and laugh.

The underclass does. When urban blacks surround a car, pull out a terrified woman they believe to be white, and hit her in the head with bricks, they're not playing. They want to hurt, cripple, kill. That's what bricks do.

The underclass is what we have in the cities. One day it will come out. We won't like it. They are not the nice black family down the street with the two polite kids and a Toyota. They are something very different.

In the recent Mardi Gras riots in Seattle, gangs of blacks again attacked whites. So many people saw it, and got it on videotape, that the media couldn't quite hide it. For example, blacks attacked a white woman, after which a young white guy tried to help her. They stomped him to death.** Press was minimal. Can you imagine the furor if whites had attacked a black woman, and murdered a black rescuer?

The media, again, are consciously lying about race. It is lying by crafted omission, by artful editing, but it is lying. If the police stop too many blacks on the highway, coverage is national and unending. If the underclass stomps a white to death, a hush follows.

Examples abound. In Wichita this year*** two black men captured five young whites at gunpoint, forced them to perform various sexual acts on them and each other, of course raped the women, and then killed them all, execution style, except for one woman. Bleeding and naked, she walked through the snow for help.

Two things: First, the motive was hatred. You can rob people without harming them. The attackers intended to humiliate and kill. Second, note the near perfect suppression of the story. If you heard about it at all, it was probably on the Internet.

The hatred of the underclass for whites is not new. Neither is the targeting of white women. In the Sixties the rapist and Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver wrote at length in Soul On Ice (chapter one), of the underclass black's desire to attack white women. Don't believe me. Read it.

The foregoing anecdotes are just that -- anecdotes. The Department of Justice, however, collects data on crime -- the Uniform Crime Reports,**** the National Crime Victimization Survey, ***** and so on. The author Jared Taylor ****** analyzed these figures and found that a black is 55 times as likely to attack a white than vice versa, 103 times as likely to rob, 40 times as likely to rape a white woman than a white man is to rape a black woman, and 237 times as likely to gang up on whites to rob them.

This will be unbelievable to many. But check the numbers for yourself.

Now, I will be accused of racism for saying these things. All right. I hereby make a proposal to the NAACP: Let's hire a first-line accounting firm to make a study of the figures, and publish both its results and its methods. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and will say so. Do I have any takers?

Unless this stops, we face disaster. One day things will explode.

Nothing suggests that it will stop. I see no signs that the black underclass is shrinking, and many signs -- the huge number of children -- that it is growing. These people simply cannot be integrated into a techno-industrial European society. They bear no resemblance to middle-class blacks one sees in offices. They are parasitic, uneducable, criminally predatory -- and they hate whites.

As blacks grow in numbers, they take over city after city. While these governments are not of the underclass, and don't want riots, they will of political necessity support the underclass. And, I suspect, no blacks at all really like whites. The danger is that whites may weary of it. If they ever push back, the potential for irremediable, ghastly, self-sustaining conflict will be high. I'll guess the country couldn't recover.

It had better not happen, but it could. Any spark could light it. One day the underclass, rioting, may go into white neighborhoods to stomp and burn. They won't expect resistance, because they have never met it. I don't think Al and Jesse quite know how many deer guns, how many Weatherbys and .223s sit quietly in closets out here. If a mob comes toward a man's home, where his wife and children are, the results will be astonishing. The police will immediately polarize, black versus white. So will everybody else. Government will be irrelevant. And the whole country just might blow up.

If that happens, God help us.


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I used my own title because the point is about the current times relative to an old article, not the article itself. I read this after the Cincinnati riots and am beginning to wonder if we are entering the perfect cultural/political/economic storm to actually bring it about.
1 posted on 08/27/2008 1:31:57 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: RobRoy

After the riot at the mall in Durham, NC a few weeks ago (by blacks), I read a reader’s response to the article about the incident. He stated what I believe a lot of people are being to feel, that situations like that were why our grandparents faught for segregation.


2 posted on 08/27/2008 1:38:32 PM PDT by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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To: RobRoy

I’ll be surprised if this thread stays up long.


3 posted on 08/27/2008 1:41:11 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
You read my mind.

Right now, as this Obama bubble continues to swell, I'm glad that I have a very well-armed ICE agent for a neighbor, just in case...

4 posted on 08/27/2008 1:43:40 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: Last Dakotan

>>I’ll be surprised if this thread stays up long.<<

Why would you say that.

Seriously?


5 posted on 08/27/2008 1:44:04 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: RobRoy
As blacks grow in numbers, they take over city after city.

This was a 2001 article - in the intervening years we have seen waves of less predatory illegal aliens take over formerly black neighborhoods in most major cities and "leaven out" those areas, making them, if not paradises, at least less dangerous than they were.

Almost as if by design...

6 posted on 08/27/2008 1:46:19 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: RobRoy

The sad part is that it didn’t have to be this way. The commies have been using and fomenting racial tensions in this country for decades as a means to undermine our society. Blacks have been encouraged by the Left to hate whites. It is classic divide and conquer.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 1:46:26 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: RobRoy
Interesting ----- not inconceivable, either.

In many of our larger cities today, the Hispanics and blacks have nearly come to this point already. The author had nothing to say about that, but it's a very real aspect of the problem.

8 posted on 08/27/2008 1:46:40 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Last Dakotan
Why do you say so? Do you have an issue with the author's premise? The Abduction and murder of the people he mentions was horrific and mostly ignored by the media.

The murder of the two kids in Tennessee was inhuman. Ignored also.

Do you really believe that there is no flash point that will be reached eventually?

Just trying to see where you are on this.

9 posted on 08/27/2008 1:49:55 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: RobRoy

“The media carefully, systematically, by deliberate policy, aids and abets these racially motivated crimes, by turning a blind eye to them.”(that’s better)

They are cowards who well reap the fruit of their tacit participation in such heinous acts.

They are as guilty as the perpetrators — maybe more so.

A pox on their house!

STE=Q


10 posted on 08/27/2008 1:49:56 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: willgolfforfood

>>In many of our larger cities today, the Hispanics and blacks have nearly come to this point already. The author had nothing to say about that, but it’s a very real aspect of the problem.<<
Actually, the author has a lot to say about that, but in other articles.

I use this one because I think it is racisim that got Obama as far as he is and the supporters are the same group that still think Bush stole Florida from Algore. Coupled with the responses to their teams winning, The Watts, Seattle (I was there) and Cincinnati responses, this is a VERY real possibility for which we should at least be prepared, emotionally and intellectually at the least.


11 posted on 08/27/2008 1:51:02 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: STE=Q

CORRECTION: “will” reap


12 posted on 08/27/2008 1:51:45 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
This was a 2001 article - in the intervening years we have seen waves of less predatory illegal aliens take over formerly black neighborhoods in most major cities and "leaven out" those areas, making them, if not paradises, at least less dangerous than they were.

It may be politically incorrect to say that, but I will agree with you. Lets also not forget that when the illegals and or hispanics move in, they actually OPEN THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, as opposed to the abandoned storefronts and occassional Asian-owned nail salon/take out joint that dominated previously.

I am all in favor of deporting the illegals yesterday, but will tell you that, at least in New York and New Jersey, they represent an improvement over the ghettos of the native born.

13 posted on 08/27/2008 1:58:55 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: RobRoy

I think you are right.

But, in 2008 America, there are some truths that simply cannot be uttered. In the minds of most people, anyone who says the things you have said in this article is a racist, plain and simple, and no matter how many facts or statistics you cite, you will remain a racist. Sorry.

In the end, there are only two groups of humans: those who live in society (”civilization”) and feral humans (”barbarians”). Experience tells us that there are civilized people of every race. Sadly, experience also tells us that there are also trash, scum, and thugs in every race. and, unfortunately for civilized black Americans, black culture in America today idolizes the trash, scum, and thugs.

This is why I support racial honesty. If America does not face the problems created by the barbarians now, using words, it will be forced to deal with them later using bullets. Right now, civilized people can simply move away to the suburbs to escape from the barbarians — but someday, sooner or later, the trash, scum, and thugs will become too numerous to confine to the inner cities. When the soccer moms and golf dads of the suburbs become the primary prey of the ferals, civilized America will demand government intervention. And when that intervention doesn’t come (and it won’t), they will take matters into their own hands, Koreans-in-LA style.

At that point — as they say – “it’s on”. When the armed forces and cops begin to divide along racial lines, better find people who look like you and work out a survival plan, because it’ll be race war.

And we cannot allow a race war to happen here. If it came down to whites versus blacks, God forbid, we all know who would win in the end. Numbers don’t lie, and ethnic cleansing is an ugly, savage thing...

Bottom line: We should do what we can to keep this nightmare from ever being realized. An honest, upfront discussion of reality would be a start. Too bad we won’t get one.


14 posted on 08/27/2008 2:01:22 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: RobRoy

“This will be unbelievable to many. But check the numbers for yourself.”

No shock here. The black underclass is responsible for virtually all the violent crime in this country and in others as well. They have disrupted the educational system to the point of disaster making school integration a catostrophic mistake. Yet as you say, the media covers it up daily. When a crime is committed by a black man, you never get a description of the criminal so you know by instinct it was another black crime. And like a tidal wave the intriduction of these creatures into an otherwise civilized scene brings chaos and trouble. Downtown Atlanta is a ghost town at night because of the safety factor. The Buckhead area has been the night life spot north of the central city but it too now is being engulfed by black crime, murder, smash and grab “blue jean” bandits and no doubt will eventually destroy that area too.

Police know the problem, individuals know the problem and the media covers it up. I guarantee you there are weapons in my house and I know how to use them if it ever becomes necessary. BTW.....look at the math: 13% of the American population is black. 6% of them are male. 2-3% are the underclass. Knowing that, go back and look at the crime stats. Amazing. Disgusting. I agree that slavery was terrible. The most disastorous mistake ever made in this country was bring Africans to our shores. It is something that might yet destroy us.


15 posted on 08/27/2008 2:02:10 PM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: fr_freak

“The commies have been using and fomenting racial tensions in this country for decades as a means to undermine our society. Blacks have been encouraged by the Left to hate whites. It is classic divide and conquer.”

EXACTOMUNDO!

Keep the “underclass” (I don’t like that word)busy fighting each other, so they don’t recognize the true enemy!

It’s also important to give the middle class a false sense of security — and keep them busy making that almighty dollar.

STE=Q


16 posted on 08/27/2008 2:02:58 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: RobRoy

I expect it when TheOne loses. Riots and killings nationwide.


17 posted on 08/27/2008 2:04:24 PM PDT by BubbaBasher (No matter who wins, we lose.)
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To: RobRoy
I live near a major city in the South. We have probably 300,000-500,00 of this black underclass in the city limits, and (counting illegals) about the same number of Hispanics in a similar underclass environment, they call "the barrio".

If the "worst case" scenario as envisioned by this article goes up here, AT LEAST 100,000 PEOPLE could be killed, and as many more left homeless from the burning and pillaging. It would look like a biblical plague, for all intents and purposes.

18 posted on 08/27/2008 2:05:33 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Jimmy Valentine
the white citizenry has been emasculated....there will be no response, and if there is a response, it will be quickly put down by govt agents as "militia" or "Right wing" etc.....

you see, you can sit and say that whites should be killed if you are a black person and its just shrugged off...

but speak any violence against a blackie, and you're white, look out....you'll get the royal screw job...

bottom line is this....we have no natural defenders among whites in govt...

its like American Jews....they don't protect their own in Israel and they would actually support someone who aligns with people who would destroy Jews everywhere let alone Israel....

if the white Rats and Pubs can't support their own, who the hell is going to?....nobody..

interesting show on tv about catching people on video doing violence....the only whites who fought back against black violence were white immigrants from Russia or the Ukraine....no American whites will fight back...

its called intimidation...

you see in the NBA all the time....the white players from Europe play with confidence and passion and are actually the stars on some teams....

19 posted on 08/27/2008 2:09:31 PM PDT by cherry
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To: RobRoy

I was in LA when the blacks did their King riot. I don’t care what anyone says about the motivations of hatred, the blacks have more hate for whites than anyone does for them. Saw it for hours with my own two eyes. Glad I was someplace where the business had loaded firearms, or I would not be here today. No shouting matches that day, just hate, destruction, assault and rape. What is the phrase about character, something like “character is what you do when you think you can get away with it?”


20 posted on 08/27/2008 2:15:44 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: To Hell With Poverty

“Right now, as this Obama bubble continues to swell, I’m glad that I have a very well-armed ICE agent for a neighbor, just in case... “

Where do you live? In my neighborhood the ICE agent would be considered lightly armed.


21 posted on 08/27/2008 2:23:35 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: RobRoy
Coupled with the responses to their teams winning, The Watts, Seattle (I was there) and Cincinnati responses, this is a VERY real possibility for which we should at least be prepared, emotionally and intellectually at the least.

Rather than being intellectually and emotionally prepared, I have this Beretta A302 that I don't know much about. How do I remove the plug?

22 posted on 08/27/2008 2:42:19 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: RobRoy

I’ve been reading this story for 40 years.

The names change. The numbers change. The locations change.

But it’s the same story.


23 posted on 08/27/2008 2:42:49 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Bulldawg Fan
The Buckhead area has been the night life spot north of the central city but it too now is being engulfed by black crime, murder, smash and grab “blue jean” bandits and no doubt will eventually destroy that area too. <>/i>

The joys of "public transportation."

24 posted on 08/27/2008 2:46:52 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: RobRoy
This has me greatly concerned as it's become a problem in my city and they are threatening to come into our other neighborhoods now, all kinds of rioting and civil disturbance we never had before. I've always tried to get along with them, but there is a hatred now; my black friend admits it (not that she hates me). I do not believe they are all out to get us, but I understand the dynamics when there might be a critical mass or some precipitous event, there might be some who could go either way. I do believe there are some who would not go violent except in self defense, of course, don't know who and where they are, well my neighbor, I would trust him, a nice guy, very helpful to me one winter.

I don't want to say any more about it but am considering my options and have thought about a breakdown in society for years what could happen.

I refuse to believe it has always been like this; something has happened in the last 30 years building up to all the hatred and resentment; they've been agitated.

25 posted on 08/27/2008 2:59:59 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: RobRoy

In the event of an Obama loss in November, I already have plans to (at least temporarily) get my 87 yr old mother and disabled sister out of their homes in south St Louis. The city in which I was born and raised recently became the nations “most dangerous city”, taking the title from Detroit. I support McCain and pray that I am wrong about violence in the cities if he wins.


26 posted on 08/27/2008 3:23:11 PM PDT by chronicles
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To: Stentor

Well, I DO have my SKS and 1,000 rounds. I was thinking of being emotionally prepared to actually use it.

I’m quite serious.


27 posted on 08/27/2008 3:28:25 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: RobRoy

here is the problem

Where I live there are many white yuppie elitist liberals moving in the center of town as they want to be in the middle of everything

Now what is happening is that prices have gone really high thus now forcing many blacks out to the burbs..

Now I live in the burbs and have seen blacks moving in , not many but they have been having parties , bringing friends in the area etc

For the last year since they started moving in the house has gone up , we have seen graffiti suddenly happen, the houses where they live have been neglected, groups of guys now hang around their front porches shouting at women on a walk etc

The crime rate has gone up and now we cannot leave our cars or humes unlocked as houses have now been getting broken into

So what we have is the liberals who say they love diversity have forced blacks out and forced them out on where we live thus we now have crime happening here and crime in the town center has gone down

coincidence , not

When this was pointed out to a tourist she called me racist

Here lies the problem say anything you are branded a racist when all you are doing is showing them facts and stats


28 posted on 08/27/2008 3:30:04 PM PDT by manc (marriage is between a man and a woman, MA has a sham perverted sick version)
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To: Beckwith

>>I’ve been reading this story for 40 years.

The names change. The numbers change. The locations change.

But it’s the same story.<<

The times are drastically different, as is the which this situation exists. The “character” of the US is substantially lower than it was 40 years ago. An example would be the percent of children born “without fathers” compared to 40 years ago.

IOW, the story is NOT the same.


29 posted on 08/27/2008 3:30:32 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: chronicles

“I support McCain and pray that I am wrong about violence in the cities if he wins.”

You might also see violence in some cities if Obama wins. Victory celebrations have turned violent and destructive in Chicago for NBA championships, and I believe there was a riot after Dallas’ last Super Bowl win, and in other cities. There could be violence after either outcome.


30 posted on 08/27/2008 3:33:12 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: MissEdie

yep...my father and grandfather both before they died expressed hesitation over having once been ardent supporters of the black movement 40-50 years ago.,

I have seen my own enthusiasm wane as well. I can’t think otherwise seeing what I’ve seen for 50 years and how it’s turned out.

Things are not better. They are far worse...for everyone.

That said....I have not one answer other that it is not the white man’s responsibility for either blacks failures or success. It is up to them.

Now Obama, most blacks and a lot of guilty whites including some on this board are still exploiting this for every last drop.

They judge everything thru the lens of race.


31 posted on 08/27/2008 3:37:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (if McCain agrees to one term only, he can go fishing and win..save the campaign money)
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To: manc

If this sort of thing persists in a neigborhood, what you will eventually see is Vigilanteism. People in masks will burn down the “problem” houses.

People in “poor” neighborhoods do not have the “guts” to do it. Middle class and, more precicely, upper middle class residents will take action on their own if the problem looks like it will get out of hand.

‘Course, we’re nowhere near that point yet, and may never get there. Just sayin’.


32 posted on 08/27/2008 3:42:33 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: manc

Your post sort of describes what may have been the beginning of the separation of the culture in the future world in the movie Freejack.

Yeah, I’m being silly, but there may be a thread of truth to the concept.


33 posted on 08/27/2008 3:44:17 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: RobRoy
I was thinking of being emotionally prepared to actually use it.

I have an associate who had to engage in a terminal bit of home defense. He was torn up for a good while. It is no joke.

34 posted on 08/27/2008 3:49:14 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: cherry
Interesting take on the issue.

The State Department warns people of "color" to be very careful in Ukraine and especially not to go out at night alone.

35 posted on 08/27/2008 3:59:29 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Stentor

I agree. I hit a pedestrian a couple of years ago and some people are amazed at my “lack of compassion”. I look at it like this: It was 100% his fault (it really was) and therefore whether I hit him or some other car hit him is completely irrelevant. It is as if he was killed in an accident on the other side of the planet. It is not my responsibility and therefore not my concern, any more than any other accident of its type is my concern.

To be honest, I have no idea whether the guy lived or died, but I suspect he is still alive.

Same with this sort of thing. A criminal, while participating in criminal activity with the goal of bringing harm to others, is 100% responsible for what happens to him, assuming that what is done to him is not done in malice.

All that said, I have NO idea what long term emotional impact it would have on me if I chose to actually pull the trigger and kill another man, even if in defense of my own property.


36 posted on 08/27/2008 4:07:03 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: RobRoy

It is at the very least a “bummer”. Sorry it happened.


37 posted on 08/27/2008 4:12:23 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: RobRoy

TO ALL:

“I am all in favor of deporting the illegals yesterday, but will tell you that, at least in New York and New Jersey, they represent an improvement over the ghettos of the native born.”

Indeed!

Same in Los Angeles.

The Mexicans are not yet paralyzed with political correctness.

They are still willing to call a spade a spade.

They are not into committing cultural suicide, just yet.

I’ve always gotten along with the Mexicans, they don’t generally hate whites.(of course many are white)

There’s just to many of them and they take our jobs — including jobs that black Americans could do.

I get along with and like most blacks, but I always have to be on guard for the predatory ones — so they know I’m ready to fight if necessary.

Unfortunately, predators don’t respect weak people.

I’m very aware of race when on the street.

Do you think blacks don’t care what color someone is?

Ever hear of black on black crime?

Most blacks would rather bump into a white man in a dark ally then a fellow black man.

Just the way it is.

Most black people are law abiding and don’t want to be judged by the actions of the predatory ones.

If they want to change the perception people have of them, then it’s up to blacks to clean up there own communities and not blame ‘whitey’ for everything.

Many black communities in Los Angeles are now doing just that.

I really don’t know if it’s happening fast enough.

Obama will not be good for race relations in America.

His catering to ‘guilty whites’ is the worst thing he could do toward advancing race relations.

Perpetuating a victim mentality in the black community is NOT helpful to black people — nor is it a sign of true love or understanding toward black people.

Making a scape goat out of someone — black, white red or yellow — solely on the basis of the collar of his/her skin is a terrible injustice.

It’s now open season on whites.

I won’t tolerate it.

STE=Q


38 posted on 08/27/2008 4:30:04 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Clemenza

SEE ABOVE POST — I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON!


39 posted on 08/27/2008 4:42:25 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: RobRoy

I reject your premise that our problem is with the “underclass.”

Our problem is with the leftists. I’m talking about the leftists in government, in our schools and universities, on our county councils, in our businesses, in our everyday life.

The agitators, the leftist leaders who pull the strings while hiding behind skirts and closed shades and government titles and corporate boards, are leftists we need to be concerned about. Not the underclass.

The correct target are those employed by us in the federal government as bureaucrats, in politicians elected by voters and an unknown number of corporate fascists who dream of a seat on some nightmare totalitarian government council to rule over us.

That is our enemy and the ones who must be confronted.

This is not a new situation. Read our Declaration of Independence. We have arrived back to where we were in 1776. The Hussain mercenaries did not target us for death and slavery; the power behind them did.

That’s our target.


40 posted on 08/27/2008 4:45:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Aliska
I don't want to say any more about it but am considering my options and have thought about a breakdown in society for years what could happen.

Here's an option to consider.

00 Buckshot makes a good anti-personnel round.

41 posted on 08/27/2008 4:45:24 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Stentor

I’m sorry it happened too, in the same way that I am sorry that well over 40,000 people are killed on our highways every year.

That is also a bummer.


42 posted on 08/27/2008 5:32:19 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: dljordan

I’m outside of Atlanta. I haven’t seen it but according to him he has a “small arsenal”. Between that and his training I feel a lot safer...now we just need to fortify our own household.


43 posted on 08/27/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: BubbaBasher
I expect it when TheOne loses. Riots and killings nationwide.
. . . which is one reason why I advocate the nomination of a black conservative VP. Not to win black votes, that won't happen, but to help unify the country when black votes aren't enough to put a black racist in the White House. Put a black conservative on the ticket to model the fact that blacks don't all listen the the Jeremiah Wrights of the world.

And, in extremis, to put down riots if they occur.

But if there are riots again, we must have governors and a president who will read the riot act to journalism and tell them that they will not promote lawlessness and survive. I still wonder why the Koreans of LA didn't sue the socks off of journalism.


44 posted on 08/27/2008 6:15:01 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
You must be joking. If 90% of blacks voted for Gore, 95% will vote for Obama. Putting an "Uncle Tom" on the ticket will do NOTHING to change that. He will just be called an "oreo."

Besides, there are ZERO black pubbies who are viable Veep candidates. Condi is incompetant, Michael Steele has never run anything, etc.

The affirmative action wing of the GOP are clueless on all of the above.

45 posted on 08/27/2008 6:32:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Man, my husband and I came really, really close to moving into the West End. The problem is that we are absolute maniacs about 1920's bungalows and Arts and Crafts period architecture, so we were so taken by this one house we weren't really using our heads. Turns out the family across the street were black muslims (the wife and little girls wore full black hijabs and the husband wouldn't shake hands with our female realtor) and a Nation of Islam meeting house was at the end of the block. The woman next door was all excited about us moving in, but proceeded to tell us to trust no one, get a gun and a few dogs, etc. She'd been beaten senseless by an acquaintance who'd muscled into her house. There was a boarding house on the other corner where cars were pulling up, dudes walked over and then after a little transaction they'd drive away. We checked out the local Kroger and our dumb liberal realtor tried to strike up a conversation with two New Black Panthers...

Luckily reason won the day and we're now in the 'burbs in a nice new "masterplanned" community. If we'd actually gone through with the other house I know for sure we'd be toast. All the old neighborhoods around Atlanta used to be so beautiful (Grant Park, Ormewood, Adair Park, Sylvan Hills, etc) but are now hollowed out hell holes, yet the promise of gentrification makes it so tempting. But they have a loooooooong way to go before they'll be safe again.

46 posted on 08/27/2008 6:35:06 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: Disambiguator

What kind is that? A shotgun? I’d rather have something that fires several rounds as it is likely there could be a bunch of them if things really go south (no pun intended). That is, if I can get one legally. I don’t want to buy one illegally, no way!


47 posted on 08/27/2008 7:01:22 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: RobRoy
Well, I DO have my SKS and 1,000 rounds. I was thinking of being emotionally prepared to actually use it. I’m quite serious.

If it's a fixed-magazine SKS, be sure you have plenty of stripper clips for it. If detachable mag, be sure you have at least a dozen mags. In any scenario where you may find yourself having to discourage a mob from approaching, you will find yourself going through ammo very quickly

The Korean shop owners in the LA riots would fire a few rounds at the ground to make the mob back up, then a minute later have to fire a few more rounds. Those who ran out of ammo before the night ended had to retreat and watch their places burn

A thousand rounds is very much on the low end in such a scenario

48 posted on 08/27/2008 7:11:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Aliska

Yes, it’s a shotgun (Mossberg 590). With a 9-round magazine, and with 00 Buckshot, you have 15 projectiles per round fired (with 3” shells).

Very good for “social” work, which is one reason you see them in police cruisers.


49 posted on 08/27/2008 7:30:19 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator
Very good for “social” work, which is one reason you see them in police cruisers.

To think I was once majoring social work. Glad I had sense enough to get out of it, wouldn't have been a good fit for me at all. That made me chuckle but the other isn't any laughing matter.

Thanks for the info on the shotgun, guess that would do. Even though bigger, might be better than a 9mm with kickback or whatever they do plus easier to aim. Man, I hope I never really have to get and use one of the things, but I would feel better just knowing I could protect myself or loved ones if I absolutely had to.

50 posted on 08/27/2008 8:29:27 PM PDT by Aliska
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